Amare v. Platinum

[Nenno44]

The vero's in the timber kit are of a higher quality than the cree's in the amare also....I say this even though I have cxb's in my diy light. For my money if I wasn't going to build it myself I would go timber. They are shelled products.

 

[Danielson999]

More unfounded accusations. I'll start with the Pro 3 (newish model) 300w covers 2 x 4 MSRP $695= $2.31/w assembled, 5 year warranty vs DIY.

When labor, parts, equipment to build and test are factored in if there is a difference, it is negligible for most to care about. Plug and play for me, although the QBs eliminate a good bit of the labor and I do like them (I prefer the more consistent umole coverage they produce v CoBs) from what I've seen so far from various grow threads

Amare includes lenses which is beneficial in high grow spaces,

What are you talking about? The Timber lights in question are plug and play. Their prices include the same 'labor, parts, equipment to build and test' that the Amare does. The big difference is that Timber's cob lights are tested with actual proof as opposed to Amare and their hidden results.

Why pay 30, 40 or even 50% more for an Amare when you get equal results from a pre-built cob light for way less money? No answer needed, it's self explanatory

 

[KarmaPaymentPlan]

Also, the problem I've seen many people have with Amare's is that they use lenses. If you keep your light relatively close to your plants the coverage area gets really small. The biggest complaint I've seen from Amare owners is that the lights don't have great coverage. Of course you'll find owners on here who will tell you different! lol.
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this! even with out the lenses you have to hang it 24"+ from the canopy and then your just throwing a bunch of light at wall as you can see in the amare threads.

 

[STX.OrganicGuerilla]

http://timbergrowlights.com/400-watt-vero29-v7-square-framework/

What are you talking about? The Timber lights in question are plug and play. Their prices include the same 'labor, parts, equipment to build and test' that the Amare does. The big difference is that Timber's cob lights are tested with actual proof as opposed to Amare and their hidden results.

Why pay 30, 40 or even 50% more for an Amare when you get equal results from a pre-built cob light for way less money? No answer needed, it's self explanatory

http://timbergrowlights.com/400-watt-vero29-v7-square-framework/ This, if ordered, should come fully assembled as shown? and can plug directly into a standard wall socket? cause if so, this might be my best value and quality for the price range. I also like the skeletal framework that would make it ease to add more light in the future if necessary without purchasing a whole new panel.
Also thanks everyone for the healthy info, learning lots from you guys. Keep it coming.

 

[whitebb2727]

You can try out our solo 400 with 350 watts on the wall, 4'x3' footprint, veg and bloom switchable, and we have 3000k, 5000k, super veg, super bloom and full spectrum for our to choose on the light

Dude I looked at your website.

You use crappy diodes and low bin cxa Cree cobs. You are behind the curve compared to other Cree cob products.

You also use 2490 cobs not the industry standard 3590.

 

[Danielson999]

http://timbergrowlights.com/400-watt-vero29-v7-square-framework/

http://timbergrowlights.com/400-watt-vero29-v7-square-framework/ This, if ordered, should come fully assembled as shown? and can plug directly into a standard wall socket? cause if so, this might be my best value and quality for the price range. I also like the skeletal framework that would make it ease to add more light in the future if necessary without purchasing a whole new panel.
Also thanks everyone for the healthy info, learning lots from you guys. Keep it coming.

Yep, plug and play into a standard socket. And yeah, it's great having the framework to add to. Heck, you might even get the DIY bug and in a couple years add different cobs to the heatsinks for a fun project.

 

[Snaddehat]

OP, go with Timber... I think Amare makes nice lights, but the difference in price to the Timber Vero isn't really justified in terms of how the 2 lights will grow weed. Both lights will surely make you and your crop happy, you'll just save some money with the Timber option.

 

[Yodaweed]

cash me outside how bout dat

 

[whitebb2727]

Get the timber light and add some t5 UV and you will be golden.

I'm about to order cobs out of taxes. I will still use t5.

I use 432 watts of t5. I plan to keep 216 watts of it and add 200 or 300 watts of cob.

I prefer mixed spectrum including UV. I think the smoke is better.

 

[STX.OrganicGuerilla]

Get the timber light and add some t5 UV and you will be golden.

I'm about to order cobs out of taxes. I will still use t5.

I use 432 watts of t5. I plan to keep 216 watts of it and add 200 or 300 watts of cob.

I prefer mixed spectrum including UV. I think the smoke is better.

Nice. I have a t5 200w ho already for seedlings so I could try that.

 

[STX.OrganicGuerilla]

OP, go with Timber... I think Amare makes nice lights, but the difference in price to the Timber Vero isn't really justified in terms of how the 2 lights will grow weed. Both lights will surely make you and your crop happy, you'll save some money with the Timber option.

Very good point here. Thank you!

 

[STX.OrganicGuerilla]

Any suggestions on tents and fans?

 

[DankaDank]

Any suggestions on tents and fans?

Hyper fan

 

[whitebb2727]

Nice. I have a t5 200w ho already for seedlings so I could try that.

I use agromax bulbs. If you are going to run the four bulbs combined with cobs get 2-pure par and 2-10,000k+uva bulbs.

Agromax makes a pure UV bulb that has uva and uvb but it can only be run a few minutes on every hour. The 10k+uva can be run full time and I have noticed an increase in potency and frost with it.

I have a thread in my Sig showing what t5 can do.

 

[whitebb2727]

Any suggestions on tents and fans?

I bought a ventech fan and filter. The filter is cheap and will need refilling or replaced after a year or so but the fan is bullet proof. Mine has been running for a few years now non stop.

 

[Airwalker16]

AMARE uses smaller les cobs than timbers do, are the same company Cree components. Same light. The only thing different with amare are a handful of red blue and white 3w diodes. That's it. If you want that UV bulb, you can buy a 2ft AgroMax Pure UV bulb, with a fixture that's KILLS anything on the market dealing in UV from HTG supply for $50.

 

[whitebb2727]

AMARE uses smaller les cobs than timbers do, are the same company Cree components. Same light. The only thing different with amare are a handful of red blue and white 3w diodes. That's it. If you want that UV bulb, you can buy a 2ft AgroMax Pure UV bulb, with a fixture that's KILLS anything on the market dealing in UV from HTG supply for $50.

Agromax pure UV bulb has to be on a separate timer. It will fry plants if it is on all the time. About 15 minutes on every hour is fine.

For less than ten bucks you can get a 10,000k+uva finishing bulb from agromax that can be run full time.

I know people say you need uvb not uva. My testing has led.me to believe that uva has the same benefits.

 

[Hybridway]

So I now know the platinum is trash.
And Amares are highly debated over against DIY led setups and Timber grow lights.
But 25% off is a damn good deal, I could get a step up on wattage for my original budget which is very convenient but also a bit questionable, cause why would the best discount their products? Unless there was worthy competition!
That timber 400 looks nicely put together but the Amares for some reason, maybe I've been over sold or something but they look like they produce some acceptional results.
Are there any side by side threads using the same strain seed and everything?
Now its between the Amare se-450 and the timber 400w vero.
But even with 25% off the se-450 will run 300$ more than the timber lights.

Amare= $1.67/w
Timber= $1.89/w
Petty #'s really when it comes to choosing what it is you want, which to me is more important.
Just thought I'd clarify that though.
They have such great discounts primarily cuz they're not all about the chedda. More about satisfying growers & getting the truth out there.
Just for the record to those who hate on me, I do say both Timber & Amare are top choices. Just depends on what YOU want.
I like the enhanced spectrum & versatility of the models offered by Amare. Also the 5yr. Warranty & the fact that he upgrades pretty fast when available. Great service too, lights made by a fellow grower.
For instence. I'd take Amare over any cob unit in a chassis all day. I even chose them over Timber due to the just about equal coverage 2 Pro-4's offer in comparison to the V29, 900w.
Point is, they are both good & provide just about equal #'s over a 5'x5'.
Timber really caught a nitch that's been well overdue from the responses & results from DIY. I give them mad props n RainDan knows that. So please stop saying I hate.
I just use Amare for the reasons I've stated in the past.
If I could do a side by side for both companies, I would. It's about preference.
To say Amare isn't a top of the line product is bonkers though. Pure Blaspheme.

 

[Hybridway]

AMARE uses smaller les cobs than timbers do, are the same company Cree components. Same light. The only thing different with amare are a handful of red blue and white 3w diodes. That's it. If you want that UV bulb, you can buy a 2ft AgroMax Pure UV bulb, with a fixture that's KILLS anything on the market dealing in UV from HTG supply for $50.

False.

You're right. It's just a marketing scam. They just overprice the light so high that even when they knock 25% off they still make a ton of money. It's a shame people do business like that instead of just offering a product at a fair price to begin with.

There have been several fairly professional growers/light builders on RIU that have done comparisons between using straight cob setups vs cobs with added mono's or 'enhanced spectrum'. Not one of those respected members of RIU found there to be any negligible difference so they simply stuck with cob only lights. Some growers, especially professional growers where the length of a grow cycle matters will add far red to their setup in an effort to shorten the flowering cycle a few days but the majority of us don't care much about speeding up the process.

I originally thought you were only needing a light for a small space like 2'x2.5'? If that's the case, 200w is plenty of power. 400w of Vero cobs is enough to rock a 3'x3' or even use in a 4'x4'.

Also, the problem I've seen many people have with Amare's is that they use lenses. If you keep your light relatively close to your plants the coverage area gets really small. The biggest complaint I've seen from Amare owners is that the lights don't have great coverage. Of course you'll find owners on here who will tell you different! lol.

I prefer the simplicity of the Timber lights. Excellent coverage, better efficiency, equal power and less cost. Tough to beat that but each to their own.

None of the DIY guys ever used the same light recipe nor did they surround the cob w/ their monos to actually enhance the white properly. So of course they did not see the difference. Adding random colors far from the cobs is not enhancing the white or blending into it. Big difference.
Still untested in proportion to what Amare offers.

 

[Hybridway]

Get the timber light and add some t5 UV and you will be golden.

I'm about to order cobs out of taxes. I will still use t5.

I use 432 watts of t5. I plan to keep 216 watts of it and add 200 or 300 watts of cob.

I prefer mixed spectrum including UV. I think the smoke is better.

Sorry to say but you guys split hairs over CXB's n Veros but still recommend t-5's? Garaunteed Victor will be upgrading to the best possible as he always has before all others in the past. Being the first/original quality Cob light on the mkt., he's not about to simp now. That's crazy when diodes are killing t-5's @ 100w as opposed to 440w.
Maybe for UV but that's about it.