Amare v. Platinum

Hybridway said:

Sorry to say but you guys split hairs over CXB's n Veros but still recommend t-5's? Garaunteed Victor will be upgrading to the best possible as he always has before all others in the past. Being the first/original quality Cob light on the mkt., he's not about to simp now. That's crazy when diodes are killing t-5's @ 100w as opposed to 440w.
Maybe for UV but that's about it.

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Diodes are not killing t5.

T5 grows better than any blurple light or single diodes.

Sorry just isn't going to happen.

T5 are more efficient than used to be. Just shy of being on par with single end hid.

I've played around with a few lights including single diode LEDs.

Yes hid has better penetration but t5 will still grow 3-5 foot plants with rock hard nugs.

I personally think t5 bud is better than hid.

I'm going to updrade to cobs but I doubt I will run them by themselves.

What's wrong with t5? It is one of the most popular and used horticulture lights.

If I were choosing a light it would be, in order;

Cob, supplemented with single diodes or t5.
Cmh.
T5.
Hid.
Blurple.

Of course this is all arbitrary. All of those lights grow cannabis. It really comes down to the grower.

Im not really pushing t5. I use it and have used other lights and to me the t5 produces a better quality product.



Of course you are going to shill for amare. Its a good light. Over priced but good.

KarmaPaymentPlan said:

this! even with out the lenses you have to hang it 24"+ from the canopy and then your just throwing a bunch of light at wall as you can see in the amare threads.

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Not true. I use mine @ 17" w/o lens & am very happy w/ the spread readings on my par meter & nice fat buds I grow on the edges.

whitebb2727 said:

Diodes are not killing t5.

T5 grows better than any blurple light or single diodes.

Sorry just isn't going to happen.

T5 are more efficient than used to be. Just shy of being on par with single end hid.

I've played around with a few lights including single diode LEDs.

Yes hid has better penetration but t5 will still grow 3-5 foot plants with rock hard nugs.

I personally think t5 bud is better than hid.

I'm going to updrade to cobs but I doubt I will run them by themselves.

What's wrong with t5? It is one of the most popular and used horticulture lights.

If I were choosing a light it would be, in order;

Cob, supplemented with single diodes or t5.
Cmh.
T5.
Hid.
Blurple.

Of course this is all arbitrary. All of those lights grow cannabis. It really comes down to the grower.

Im not really pushing t5. I use it and have used other lights and to me the t5 produces a better quality product.



Of course you are going to shill for amare. Its a good light. Over priced but good.

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My doide Horizons put out more light then a 440w T-5 @ 100w. In white BTW.
Why am I a shill? I'm a user of Amare that documents everything, good, bad n ugly for all to see. Sick of the hatertizing going on.

Hybridway said:

My doide Horizons put out more light then a 440w T-5 @ 100w. In white BTW.
Why am I a shill? I'm a user of Amare that documents everything, good, bad n ugly for all to see. Sick of the hatertizing going on.

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You're a shill

Hybridway said:

My doide Horizons put out more light then a 440w T-5 @ 100w. In white BTW.
Why am I a shill? I'm a user of Amare that documents everything, good, bad n ugly for all to see. Sick of the hatertizing going on.

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I never hated on amare. Get your facts straight. I have actually stood up for amare in threads. I just said they are over priced. That is the truth.

Got a link or a link to the specs on horizon. I really doubt that a 100 watts would compete with 432 watt t5.

Hybridway said:

Amare= $1.67/w
Timber= $1.89/w

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Show math? Timber lights are not that expensive and Amare lights are not that cheap.

Also comparing the regular price from Timber vs specific discounts from Amare is unfair because RIU is only a small fraction of the market and most people will only be aware of the 12% discount.

STX.OrganicGuerilla said:

Any suggestions on tents and fans?

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6" Wind Tunnel fan for exhaust

I use a HydroHut Silver Edition tent...but I won't buy another and I won't recommend them. The zippers are shit and so is the sewing on the seams....Also pinholes everywhere. I bought mine initially because I didn't want to invest a lot of money. But, if I had it to do all over again, I'd probably get a Gorilla tent....I'd at least do some research on tents and take special note on zippers and sewing.

I've seen a lot of positive comments on the Secret Jardin DR tents, but haven't tried them. I'm probably just going to frame in a room eventually and go that route in the future.

TogiX said:

Show math? Timber lights are not that expensive and Amare lights are not that cheap.

Also comparing the regular price from Timber vs specific discounts from Amare is unfair because RIU is only a small fraction of the market and most people will only be aware of the 12% discount.

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Common knowledge amongst all Amare owners savings/discounts are incredible & unsurpassable.
If someone tells me how to quote from another thread I will show you the math on all leading cob lights. Amares the least expensive while being the most expensive to build.

Since the lights are both built in a linear fashion this seems like a relatively fair comparison

SolarPRO SP400 (Pro4)
895$ - 25% = 671.25$
671.25 /400 = $1.68/w

400 Watt Vero29 V7 Linear Framework
559/400 = $1.38w

Now we know that the Amare uses less efficient LEDs/COBSs (also driven hard) and also uses fans. Not sure what Meanwell drivers they use but since its not mentioned I don't think it's HLG's which means further driver losses, and I can almost guarantee the optics have more of loss than the Ledil ANGELINA.

As for spectrum we have seen by many members that added mono's have had very little to no influence on yields or quality. And in my opinion its been proven that spectrum comes second to photon density (to a certain extent). I mean look at a HPS with its shitty spectrum still pulling fat frosty nugz which usually only pull 1-2% less THC in lab tests. So imagine an HPS being 50% efficient.

Amare is still a top quality light, I have a friend who imported one from the US, When I saw the thing in person I was very impressed with the build quality. So the extra money paid for Amare is not necessarily wasted if you're looking for something with good build quality and a 5 year warranty.

That said the added mono's seem like a waste in cost price and are more of a gimmicky thing to attract newbies. Maybe it would be worth it if they where all SSL 660's driven at between 350-500ma.

So basically you can't go wrong with Amare or Timber.
Both will get the job done mighty finely, just comes down to preference.
(but timbers are cheaper to buy)

STX.OrganicGuerilla said:

So basically you can't go wrong with Amare or Timber.
Both will get the job done mighty finely, just comes down to preference.
(but timbers are cheaper to buy)

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I would personally go with Timber, the HLG driver has a 5 year warranty , the parts are high quality and incredibly unlikely to fail, the passive design also adds to the reliability, no fans = no moving parts that could fail causing light to overheat and the bonus of having silent operation. The kit is modular and easily upgradable/reparable/customizable. If you're really that concerned in adding red and blue ,you can add some of Timbers Oslon modules (this is the part where Hybridway talks some nonsense about blending the spectrum) poping a 120 degree Kingbrite lens over that Oslon module will "blend" the spectrum just fine lol (or use the SSL120).

DankaDank said:

I would personally go with Timber, the HLG driver has a 5 year warranty , the parts are high quality and incredibly unlikely to fail, the passive design also adds to the reliability, no fans = no moving parts that could fail causing light to overheat and the bonus of having silent operation. The kit is modular and easily upgradable/reparable/customizable. If you're really that concerned in adding red and blue ,you can add some of Timbers Oslon modules (this is the part where Hybridway talks some nonsense about blending the spectrum) poping a 120 degree Kingbrite lens over that Oslon module will "blend" the spectrum just fine lol (or use the SSL120).

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HLG's are used. Top-Bin Cree, Fans are as silent as they come. 5 yr covers everything. 660's is all you care about them you're a far cry from using a true full spectrum. 660's LOL! And no, they won't come close to blending. You'll be growing w/ primarily 660's over that area, which is bogusness, we all know that.
Anyone adding a blue diode for any reason other then to fill the gap in white cobs is wasting their time.
So, I see here so many still don't grasp the concept.
I'll let this go. Primarily cuz I'm trimming a large Amare & SunCloak harvest at the moment & will be tied up for weeks. Also, because no matter how much I share the facts, there will always be 10 guys repping lights they've never used & making false speculations. I don't expect everyone to understand logic & science.
Timbers are awesome I'd imagine & I know for a fact Amares are.
Peace Out! To each his own.
Good luck Pizon, no matter what you choose, you're always welcome to share on my thread.

I am just going to give my 2 cents on this.... it seems to me some of these Amare guys are paid by the company to push Amare products so i would take some of what is said about Amare with a huge grain of salt. So with that out of the way, the reason so many people that dont use Timber recommend them is because they are transparent about what they use on their lights, so we no for sure what they are made of, and they are DIY lights made by a company for you to plug and play. Not to mention their customer service and just general RIU non-customer service. I have seen Timber answer questions for members and even recommend not their products because it would be good for that growers situation.

I hope that what i said doesnt offend anyone but i just call them as i see them, if im wrong im sorry....but it doesnt appear that i am.

DankaDank said:

I would personally go with Timber, the HLG driver has a 5 year warranty , the parts are high quality and incredibly unlikely to fail, the passive design also adds to the reliability, no fans = no moving parts that could fail causing light to overheat and the bonus of having silent operation. The kit is modular and easily upgradable/reparable/customizable. If you're really that concerned in adding red and blue ,you can add some of Timbers Oslon modules (this is the part where Hybridway talks some nonsense about blending the spectrum) poping a 120 degree Kingbrite lens over that Oslon module will "blend" the spectrum just fine lol (or use the SSL120).

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the far red osram (I think they're called) are kind of pricey but is an option I'm using a Johnson cx-6 so far I'm pleased with it with the exception of one thing it's made in China I'm on my second grow with it & im happy with the performance it has Cree cobs & now Johnson uses citizen cobs but as others have stated the timber stuff has really stepped up their game also I've seen some nice grows from amare owners I'm gonna at some point fire up a second grow & at this point won't rule out an amare or a timber I like the simplicity of them I'm gonna grow a bit more with the Johnson before I make that decision the beauty of the led is I can operate 2 of them for about what it used cost to operate my old hps room

Nenno44 said:

it seems to me some of these Amare guys are paid by the company

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How much money are they getting paid? What would you consider a good payment for what your saying? Other then the guy from Timber being rock fucking solid, id say your totally wrong. I mean of of they guys has a garden that probably rocks some pretty good weight. Why would he need some payment from Amare? Sounds crazy.

a mongo frog said:

How much money are they getting paid? What would you consider a good payment for what your saying? Other then the guy from Timber being rock fucking solid, id say your totally wrong. I mean of of they guys has a garden that probably rocks some pretty good weight. Why would he need some payment from Amare? Sounds crazy.

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Thank you! Exactly! Freakin ubsurd just like their speculations that have been already answered solidly but yet they still push false info to try make this comp. look less then they are.
If you guys saw my hps harvests prior to going led, you'd know I don't need nor want payment to say what I believe. Redic.
You'd also know, I could've went any route I chose w/ led n chose Amare after tons of research.
To this day I say they are the best chassis led available by far. Timber is the only other light I'd consider owning above plant lighting.
Can't deny their spread & parts as well as service reviews.
I still choose Amare though & am loyal to that comp. as long as I believe they will continuously provide me w/ a great product & yields of dank. They are doing a fine job at satifying me w/ their line up which will only get better.
I choose a true full spectrum Enhanced White.
Put Amare tech on a stick frame & it would be most every DIY pre-fab dream light.
Hey, maybe they will.
Till then, I'm digging their line up for versitility, coverage & True full Spec 95 CRI Enhanced.

Hybridway said:

Exactly! Freakin ubsurd just like their speculations that have been already answered solidly but yet they still push false info to try make this comp. look less then they are.
If you guys saw my hps harvests prior to going led, you'd know I don't need nor want payment to say what I believe. Redic.
You'd also know, I could've went any route I chose w/ led n chose Amare after tons of research.
To this day I say they are the best chassis led available by far. Timber is the only other light I'd consider owning above plant lighting.
Can't deny their spread & parts as well as service reviews.
I still choose Amare though & am loyal to that comp. as long as I believe they will continuously provide me w/ a great product & yields of dank. They are doing a fine job at satifying me w/ their line up which will only get better.
I choose a true full spectrum Enhanced White.
Put Amare tech on a stick frame & it would be most every DIY pre-fab dream light.
Hey, maybe they will.
Till then, I'm digging their line up for versitility, coverage & True full Spec 95 CRI Enhanced.

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How do you even get the 25% off for Amare?

STX.OrganicGuerilla said:

How do you even get the 25% off for Amare?

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Automatic, just e-mail Victor. He may even do one better. He'll also answer any question that's not covered on the site w/ full transperancy.
He's helped people build lights & helped w/ their grow questions too. Great guy!

Hybridway said:

HLG's are used. Top-Bin Cree, Fans are as silent as they come. 5 yr covers everything. 660's is all you care about them you're a far cry from using a true full spectrum. 660's LOL! And no, they won't come close to blending. You'll be growing w/ primarily 660's over that area, which is bogusness, we all know that.
Anyone adding a blue diode for any reason other then to fill the gap in white cobs is wasting their time.
So, I see here so many still don't grasp the concept.
I'll let this go. Primarily cuz I'm trimming a large Amare & SunCloak harvest at the moment & will be tied up for weeks. Also, because no matter how much I share the facts, there will always be 10 guys repping lights they've never used & making false speculations. I don't expect everyone to understand logic & science.
Timbers are awesome I'd imagine & I know for a fact Amares are.
Peace Out! To each his own.
Good luck Pizon, no matter what you choose, you're always welcome to share on my thread.

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Shill harder.

Hybridway said:

Common knowledge amongst all Amare owners savings/discounts are incredible & unsurpassable.
If someone tells me how to quote from another thread I will show you the math on all leading cob lights. Amares the least expensive while being the most expensive to build.

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Go to the other thread and hit "reply" like you are going to quote. Copy then paste it in this thread and reply.