amending as you go?

[greasemonkeymann]

so you guys don't leach N like many are prone to do in hydro?

I personally (in hydro) didn't leach N in hydro but I did feed a different ratio of NPK during bloom

but I suppose with the natural buffering system theres less reason to do something like this

and it would be easier to keep your mix more reliable if your not changing the ratio

I'd safe it's safe to say the correlation between an organic grow and a chelated chemical hydro grow are totally different entities.
In fact i'd wager to say forget all that you've learned in regards to applying the hydro logic/rules to organics.
the key is to treat it almost like a buffet for a fat guy..
you want anything and everything he could possibly want to eat, for the entire time he's there.
let him take what he wants, and let him take what he needs.

Conversely a hydroponic system is more akin to strapping the fat guy down and forcing nutrient shakes down his throat every X amount of time.

Knowhattamean Verne?

But no, i don't leach anything at all, i water my plants and pay for the energy, and that's about it
the bulk of my work is attributed to the constant cloning/pheno hunting of strains.
And the assembling and turning of the compost, and feeding my worms.
that's it.
hydro was way more work, way more testing, way more ph adjusters, more bottles, this and that.
Expensive shit, and it's part of the operating system, so it's needed continuously.
But some growers like that, more interaction makes them feel interactive.
Like i always say, humans are tinkering animals to begin with, we like to adjust and fuck with things, so for some that's good.
Maybe it's cuz i'm not a spring-chicken anymore, but for me? If i can get much BETTER results from much less work and less money?
Well shit..
I'm there.
I don't feel the need to be involved, i've been doing this for so long i don't get any kick off anything like that. In fact at this point i almost feel weird taking any credit on the quality of my herb anyways, the friggin soil grows the plant, i just water it
and to a degree i can't take a whole lot of credit for my compost-based techniques either, all i did was look at how mother nature works, and tried to replicate that.
Simple. Yet sadly it's not nearly as popular as it should be.
Growers get intimidated by some of it, hearing these fancy words, humic and fulvic acids, microbes, mychorrizhae, bacteria based mixes, fungal based, etc.
I admit, if you don't understand it all it could be a lil overwhelming.
whereas hydro is "simpler" to the beginner
i write simpler in quotes because for me it wasn't simple, it was like babysitting

 

[im4satori]

I'd safe it's safe to say the correlation between an organic grow and a chelated chemical hydro grow are totally different entities.
In fact i'd wager to say forget all that you've learned in regards to applying the hydro logic/rules to organics.
the key is to treat it almost like a buffet for a fat guy..
you want anything and everything he could possibly want to eat, for the entire time he's there.
let him take what he wants, and let him take what he needs.

Conversely a hydroponic system is more akin to strapping the fat guy down and forcing nutrient shakes down his throat every X amount of time.

Knowhattamean Verne?

But no, i don't leach anything at all, i water my plants and pay for the energy, and that's about it
the bulk of my work is attributed to the constant cloning/pheno hunting of strains.
And the assembling and turning of the compost, and feeding my worms.
that's it.
hydro was way more work, way more testing, way more this and that.
But some growers like that, makes them feel interactive.
Maybe it's cuz i'm not a spring-chicken anymore, but for me? If i can get much BETTER results from much less work and less money?
Well shit..
I'm there.
I don't feel the need to be involved, in fact at this point i almost feel weird taking any credit on the quality of my herb anyways, the friggin soil grows the plant, i just water it
and to a degree i can't take a whole lot of credit for my compost-based techniques either, all i did was look at how mother nature works, and tried to replicate that.
Simple. Yet sadly it's not nearly as popular as it should be.
Growers get intimidated by some of it, hearing these fancy words, humic and fulvic acids, microbes, mychorrizhae, bacteria based mixes, fungal based, etc.
I admit, if you don't understand it all it could be a lil overwhelming.
whereas hydro is "simpler" to the beginner
i write simpler in quotes because for me it wasn't simple, it was like babysitting

im approaching the "no spring chicken years myself" lol
when your 45 years of age... 50 looks pretty close lol

 

[greasemonkeymann]

im approaching the "no spring chicken years myself" lol
when your 45 years of age... 50 looks pretty close lol

ouch... fuck that, i'm having issues with 40 being near
yea.. this yr i am turning 35...
again..
my 35th yr has encompassed a good thousand days or so...
fuck it, my 35th yr is gonna be based on fuckin Jupiter yrs
a good 4,000 days or so
yea that's right.

 

[im4satori]

so ive gone back and re-read a link that @DrWho gave me a few days back

I think It must have been late

I read it all but retained very little

went back and realized most of my questions are already answered in the link he gave me

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/easy-organic-soil-mix-for-beginners.1116550/

so im kinda asking the same questions over and over

sorry guys

whats nice is to see the answers be on par despite the info provider

so its seems we have a consensus

 

[im4satori]

ouch... fuck that, i'm having issues with 40 being near
yea.. this yr i am turning 35...
again..
my 35th yr has encompassed a good thousand days or so...
fuck it, my 35th yr is gonna be based on fuckin Jupiter yrs
a good 4,000 days or so
yea that's right.

35 I was in good shape

it drops quickly after 40

 

[im4satori]

I look at an object and think

fuck I can lift that.... nope, not anymore!... oy I just shit myself

or I run up hill and a few thousand feet and im ready to fall over
used to be able to go forever

every mild or major injury ive ever had is now a source of mild but chronic discomfort

if you broke your big toe when you where two
and never thought of it again your whole life, unitl your 45 and all of a sudden your fucking toe hurts daily

no, I didn't break my toe....lol it was just meant as a funny very slightly exaturated example

 

[greasemonkeymann]

I look at an object and think

fuck I can lift that.... nope, not anymore!... oy I just shit myself

or I run up hill and a few thousand feet and im ready to fall over
used to be able to go forever

every mild or major injury ive ever had is now a source of mild but chronic discomfort

hahaaha ohhh man that's some good shit
oh i know man, i;'m not anywhere near 35..
you feel a difference for sure.

 

[im4satori]

ah I get it, you just keep celebrating your 35 over and over, gotcha..lol

hahaaha ohhh man that's some good shit
oh i know man, i;'m not anywhere near 35..
you feel a difference for sure.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

35 I was in good shape

it drops quickly after 40

try a good DHEA supplement
it may make a difference, i'd be surprised if it didn't.
That's the ingredient in all the pills they sell for testosterone imbalances, ed dysfunction, losing weight after 40, etc.
it's almost ALWAYS a DHEA supplement that they sell you for tons of money, go get the 50 mg ones and go to town, and i bet it makes you feel a lil younger

 

[greasemonkeymann]

ah I get it, you just keep celebrating your 35 over and over, gotcha..lol

exaaaactly...
35 is a Jupiter yr.
4000+ days long
fuck em

 

[im4satori]

im fully aware of dhea

although I don't take anything

when I was in my early 20s I got in to mild body building until my 30s (little bit of supplement of variety but I never got crazy)

so yea I could see how dhea might be a good idea at my age

I eat very clean and avoid carbs/gluten most of the time but im not super strict i just try to keep it balanced

cholesterol is what gets everyone in my tree... been cutting the animal fats back slowly over the past few years

it keeps me lean

 

[im4satori]

this is where im am
tell me where of if you see an issue, particularly the amend as you go portion
which is an attempt to use the same soil again in a second grow without a full re-amendment/cook)

preparing new soil
1 cubic ft
2.5 gallons peat
2.5 gallons humus (compost/EWC)
2.5 gallons aeration (perlite/rice husk)
1 cup lime (oyster shell/dolomite/egg shell)

amendment mix 2 cups total
1 part alfalfa 3-1-2
1 part crab meal 2-3-0
2 parts kelp meal 1-0-2

total 7-4-6

3.5 cups mineral (basalt or granite rock dust)
1/2 cup azomite

cook for 4+ weeks


full re amending soil
1 cubic ft soil
2.5 gallons humus (compost/EWC)
1.25 gallons aeration
1/2 gallon peat
1/4 cup lime (oyster shell/dolomite/eggshell)

amendment mix 1 cup
1 part alfalfa
1 part crab meal
2 parts kelp meal

3/4 cup mineral(basalt or granite rock dust
1/4 cup azomite

cook for 4+ weeks

amend as you go/partial re-amendment (to achieve 2 consecutive grows without cooking)
top dress every 4 to 5 weeks
1 gallons humus
1/4 cup lime (2 oz)
1/2 cup amendment mix (4 oz)

for 2 consecutive grows before full re-amendment

 

[im4satori]

onn the peat in the full re-amend

i figured it as

original soil from scratch calls for 2.5 gallons peat
and if peat breaks down over a 4 season period adding 2.5 gallons every 4 grows

i just split it up adding 1/2 gallon every grow instead of 2.5 every 4th

i figure if your going to yank the pots and turn it and cook it you might as well replace it while your there

 

[im4satori]

seems like that final amendment mix 7-4-6 could use a higher K number

wouldn't mind seeing it up around 11

which organic slow release amendment provides the highest ratio of potassium?

i will have to look around to see

 

[im4satori]

looks like if i want more K im looking at potassium sulfate fertilizer or a little mkp

not much

 

[im4satori]

im told that neem cake can have a negative effect on microbes

so i didn't use it ??

 

[im4satori]

another option on the

partial re-amendment

top dress with 2 or3 cups earth warm castings each week and add the lime and amendment mix every 4 to 5 weeks

 

[greasemonkeymann]

im told that neem cake can have a negative effect on microbes

so i didn't use it ??

nah, neem is fine to use.
it's not going to hurt anything at all.
langbeinite is a good nutrient for potassium
greensand is too, but it's slow.

don't get hung up on the specific NPK % man.
that number changes if you add more of the nutrient, it's not like hydro.
also i don't think peat ever breaks down man, it's already welllllll beyond composting.
shit the peat most people buy is yrs and yrs old, depending on where it's from it may even be older than the grower using it.
but it doesn't go anywhere.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

seems like that final amendment mix 7-4-6 could use a higher K number

wouldn't mind seeing it up around 11

which organic slow release amendment provides the highest ratio of potassium?

i will have to look around to see

just remember that potassium can be a lil sensitive, you don't want too much, you don't want to mess up the cation balance between cal, mag and potassium.
they are related, too much is a problem.
cannabis may actually use more calcium than potassium in fact..

 

[TheCauf]

nah, neem is fine to use.
it's not going to hurt anything at all.
langbeinite is a good nutrient for potassium
greensand is too, but it's slow.

don't get hung up on the specific NPK % man.
that number changes if you add more of the nutrient, it's not like hydro.
also i don't think peat ever breaks down man, it's already welllllll beyond composting.
shit the peat most people buy is yrs and yrs old, depending on where it's from it may even be older than the grower using it.
but it doesn't go anywhere.

Is it easy to put too much variety in your soil? You mentioned treating it like a buffet, but say you use a decent amount of the down to earth products instead of just four of them will that be too much? I read that blood meal and bone meal isn't as good as alfalfa and fish meals, but I'd really like to have a variety of stuff in the soil if possible.