Sessions: I'm Shutting Down Colorado

dandyrandy

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I disagree. Our country puts a lot of unnecessary roadblocks in the way of people's desire to get ahead, even with the willingness to work hard to achieve.
Most of the people I seem to know in Appalachian country will work but they don't understand that skills and education are needed. Construction etc is ok but mostly seasonal. Just what I've noticed. It seems to stick with the same families. Some I know are on disability and shouldn't be. Some people are that way. Big business on the top and skammers on the bottom. What's a working man to do.
 

dandyrandy

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And none of that means shit without opportunity.

And the opportunities today are virtually non existant compared to when I got out of school and could work at 15 different places.

Somebody has to hire you before you can 'start at the bottom'.
I agree on opportunity. But sometimes you just have to make your own. We aren't going back to manufacturing employment like the sixties through the seventies. Automation. Service jobs need to pay a living wage. You guys are both right!
 

schuylaar

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Her biggest mistake was using the term, 'deplorables'.


You have to respect the deplorables enough to try to coax 5% of them to vote in their best interests for a change.
I disagree. She was already done. The only people who wished to vote her was establishment..Obama and all of Hollywood made it SEEM 'we the people' were 'with her'..but the reality was there were no black people in line on Election Day.
 

Fender Super

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I wish Hillary were making herself as scarce as Obama.


Worse choice ever.
Worst (D) nominee in my lifetime, made Dukakis look effective. The whole "it's my turn" bullshit has to end. Find a fucking candidate who can win. Hubris brought the democrats down. Hope the lesson was learned. Sanders would have been a far better nominee.
 

tangerinegreen555

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Worst (D) nominee in my lifetime, made Dukakis look effective. The whole "it's my turn" bullshit has to end. Find a fucking candidate who can win. Hubris brought the democrats down. Hope the lesson was learned. Sanders would have been a far better nominee.
If somebody told you before the election that you would win by 3 million popular votes, would you have taken it?

I would have. There's never been a losing spread that wide before. It was a bizzare fluke.
 

ttystikk

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I had to move from my home state to find a better job. I went from minimum wage job to a good union job. I am a hard worker,I show up on the time and people like to work with me. I have found in my job experience you can make it if you really try.
If you hate slackers and welfare recipients so much, why do you happily accept multi billion dollar payments to giant corporations, amounting to exactly the same thing on a vastly larger scale?
 

ttystikk

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Damn, I didn't see this post


This is where "drive" comes into play. We live in America, the land of opportunity, where there's a will, there's a way. It can be hard as fuck at times, and you might have to make sacrifices, but if you have the desire to succeed and not get beat down by the system, anybody can get ahead.
This is bullshit, full of vacuous enthusiasm and mythology.

The hard truth is that opportunity has been failing in America for decades, as corporations have been using their increasing power over our political system to gather the money unto themselves.

Income inequality is WORSE than before the Crash of 1929. Wealthy inequality is WORSE than at any other time in American history.

The idea that vast numbers of people can just 'work harder' completely and conveniently ignores the facts on the ground.

America now has LESS opportunity than other developed nations.

That's why I'm a strong supporter of Bernie Sanders and the New Left, because the average American isn't getting ahead- even if they do have a job.

You've been shagged.
 

ttystikk

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I get your point, most employers demand alot of skills, but if you can read a tape and swing a hammer, that is usually enough to get your foot in the door, you can work your way up from there.

My opinion is still the same though, opportunities are out there, plenty of them and if you have the drive, you can and will get by. Sink or swim.
So in other words, fuck those people who sink.

You're a real peach, you know that?

We need to build an economy and that starts with a positive economic policy. Tax cuts for billionaires and their corporations haven't worked for 40 years, yet you want to blame those who have no way to change it. Too much has been done TO our economy and not enough has been done FOR it.

Do you seriously think a quarter of all Americans are just fucking 'lazy'?? That's just wildly untrue corporate sponsored bullshit that ignores everything from corporate welfare to outsourcing millions of jobs and automating millions more.
 

ttystikk

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i see this whole administration as a 4 year lesson in what not to do.
don't practice cronyism, don't practice nepotism, don't use your position to bully people into doing what you want, because that just makes them hate you more than they already do. don't ignore the opinions of the people who live in this country, don't tell them you're wrong, and here why, then pepper them with stupid, poorly thought out plans that are doomed to fail. don't vow to bring the coal industry back to life without finding out first if anyone want to buy coal anymore. its hard to save an industry, when no one wants the end product of it.
don't cripple the sciences, the arts, and the epa, while saying its ok to continue using pesticides that have been PROVEN to cause birth defects. don't try to palm the space program off on the private sector, the advancements that come from the space program should be public property, and not owned by private industry. don't support big pharma when they're the source of the biggest drug problems in the country. they should be responsible for running rehab clinics for all the people hooked on their life destroying pills. they should also be forced to supply life saving drugs to people that genuinely need them at cost. Theres more than enough profit potential from the useless garbage they sell insecure people to make themselves feel better about their pathetic lives (botox, silicone, v iagra.....)
i don't think hillary would have done any better. it would have been very different, but just as bad, and may have taken even longer to fix, once we ousted her.
there was NO good decision (don't start with the Bernie bullshit), we were fucked no matter who chose what. i just really hope that both parties get their fucking heads out of their asses and find two candidates that aren't fucking insulting to the american people to run next time.
Why is Bernie Sanders not a step in the right direction?

How do you figure we can get the major parties to reform themselves?
 

ttystikk

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Most of the people I seem to know in Appalachian country will work but they don't understand that skills and education are needed. Construction etc is ok but mostly seasonal. Just what I've noticed. It seems to stick with the same families. Some I know are on disability and shouldn't be. Some people are that way. Big business on the top and skammers on the bottom. What's a working man to do.
Agreed. Plus for profit college scams to destroy their economic picture even while they try to better themselves.

We need to stop blaming the victims in this country. The Fortune 500 and their major stockholders are the problem, and the solution starts by putting end to their excesses.
 

dandyrandy

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Agreed. Plus for profit college scams to destroy their economic picture even while they try to better themselves.

We need to stop blaming the victims in this country. The Fortune 500 and their major stockholders are the problem, and the solution starts by putting end to their excesses.
Shareholders control the companies. And our future. I'm glad I'm old.
 
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