What do you believe is the fundamental problem with [American] government?

[Fogdog]

Sorry, brother, but that hardly narrows it down for me. @tampee, you're pretty dumb. Are you from Death Valley?

UB got it. Thanks @UncleBuck , it was Desert Dude. @undercovergrow reminds me a lot of desert dude who got his ass banned. I haven't made up my mind yet if he came back as a girl or not.

 

[ttystikk]

I know you don't need facts but I'll give you a few. You said that, women with kids are incompetent not me. Another fact is the economy is intentionally run to create 5% unemployment. The system is geared to throw people out of work. You say health care is the responsibility of everybody. If so, why don't we have access to health care for everybody? As you told @ttystikk, they can die for all you care so I have a better idea what kind of person you are. We have our differences, I'll agree to that.

I especially laugh at your use of naive. You still cling to the not-fact that republicans and democrats are two sides of the same coin, which, if you are following the actions of the recent republican administration you would know that is false. To say that the Republican and Democratic parties are the same is naive. It's also only possible to say that if you are a white person who is in a comfortable economic situation. In other words, What they do doesn't affect you so, it's not important.

 

[Padawanbater2]

To say that the Republican and Democratic parties are the same is naive.

Sure, if you're referring to social issues like racism, LGBT rights, abortion, etc., but when it comes to economics, drug policy, and more and more often, war, they function in very similar ways

 

[Grandpapy]

Sure, if you're referring to social issues like racism, LGBT rights, abortion, etc., but when it comes to economics, drug policy, and more and more often, war, they function in very similar ways

They both bow to the 1%.

 

[UncleBuck]

Sure, if you're referring to social issues like racism, LGBT rights, abortion, etc.,

you just named three economic issues, retard.

 

[Fogdog]

Sure, if you're referring to social issues like racism, LGBT rights, abortion, etc., but when it comes to economics, drug policy, and more and more often, war, they function in very similar ways

uhhh, this is where you and I part ways. If you don't think that social equality has anything to do with economics, drug policy or war, think again.

 

[Padawanbater2]

They both bow to the 1%.

Half the coin says it's OK, the other half says it's wrong but they have to do it too or else they'll lose elections

One would think doing the right thing is what would win you elections..

 

[Padawanbater2]

uhhh, this is where you and I part ways. If you don't think that social equality has anything to do with economics, drug policy or war, think again.

What about the other half of the post? More specifically things like tax policy, fiscal and monetary policy, etc.?

 

[UncleBuck]

What about the other half of the post? More specifically things like tax policy, fiscal and monetary policy, etc.?

ignoring the valid point that both he and i brought up is why you lose the democratic primary, which is composed mainly of people affected by the racism, sexism, and homophobia which you completely ignore.

RIGGED!

 

[Fogdog]

What about the other half of the post? More specifically things like tax policy, fiscal and monetary policy, etc.?

will you be happy if you get 20% right? We can keep whittling it down until you find a few categories where they are similar.

I guess.

 

[Padawanbater2]

will you be happy if you get 20% right? We can keep whittling it down until you find a few categories where they are similar.

I guess.

"While the mantle of fiscal conservatism is most commonly claimed by Republicans and libertarians, it is also claimed in some ways by many centrist or moderate Democrats who often refer to themselves as "New Democrats"."

"the New Democrat coalition's primary economic agenda differed from the traditional tax and spend philosophy held among liberal Democrats and sided with the fiscal conservative belief that certain things needed to be cut in order to balance the federal budget."

"After Clinton's re-election in 1996, they were able to cooperate and pass the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997, which lowered the top capital gains tax rate from 28% to 20% and the 15% rate to 10%."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_conservatism#Clinton_era

 

[Fogdog]

"While the mantle of fiscal conservatism is most commonly claimed by Republicans and libertarians, it is also claimed in some ways by many centrist or moderate Democrats who often refer to themselves as "New Democrats"."

"the New Democrat coalition's primary economic agenda differed from the traditional tax and spend philosophy held among liberal Democrats and sided with the fiscal conservative belief that certain things needed to be cut in order to balance the federal budget."

"After Clinton's re-election in 1996, they were able to cooperate and pass the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997, which lowered the top capital gains tax rate from 28% to 20% and the 15% rate to 10%."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_conservatism#Clinton_era

Thirty years ago somebody did something. So your point is because thirty years ago Republicans and Democrats are the same. Not Trump, not the impending tax cuts for the rich, not the foiled attempt by Democrats to repeal Citizens United ruling but thirty years ago that's why.

Umm, the ICE agent in the neighborhood yesterday is more important to a lot of people than thirty years ago. Just saying. There is a big difference between the Obama and Trump administrations.

 

[ttystikk]

you just named three economic issues, retard.

Only peripherally, because none of those go to the heart of income or wealth inequality issues that affect the majority of the American people, of which these minority classes are a very small part of.

Smokescreen much?

 

[UncleBuck]

Only peripherally, because none of those go to the heart of income or wealth inequality issues that affect the majority of the American people, of which these minority classes are a very small part of.

Smokescreen much?

ok, you get half as many callbacks for a job because of your black sounding name and tell me it's only peripheral to your economic well being.

 

[ttystikk]

ok, you get half as many callbacks for a job because of your black sounding name and tell me it's only peripheral to your economic well being.

You've missed my point- I can only guess it's an intentional misdirection because you do it too often and I know you're smarter than this.

For the affected individuals of these minority classes, there is no doubt that these are social AND economic issues. You'll notice I didn't dispute that.

However, I'm not talking about individuals, I'm talking about a socioeconomic class division of an extremely wealthy few (0.01% of the whole) versus a large percentage of the total American population (a full 50%) who are struggling with the very real issues of poverty.

That difference is far too large to be explained by LGBT or even racial divisions.

 

[UncleBuck]

You've missed my point- I can only guess it's an intentional misdirection because you do it too often and I know you're smarter than this.

For the affected individuals of these minority classes, there is no doubt that these are social AND economic issues. You'll notice I didn't dispute that.

However, I'm not talking about individuals, I'm talking about a socioeconomic class division of an extremely wealthy few (0.01% of the whole) versus a large percentage of the total American population (a full 50%) who are struggling with the very real issues of poverty.

That difference is far too large to be explained by LGBT or even racial divisions.

ok, so let's make it so everyone does better than they are now, but so that women and gay people and black people are still making less than white straight men with the same education and qualifications.

not sure how well that will play.

 

[ttystikk]

ok, so let's make it so everyone does better than they are now, but so that women and gay people and black people are still making less than white straight men with the same education and qualifications.

not sure how well that will play.

Don't put that on me, I said nothing of the kind- and you know it. Play your smear games with those who deserve them.

I'm addressing the wealth and income inequality problem that affects EVERYONE in this country, not just ethnic or sexual minorities. That doesn't mean I don't care about them, it means I care about everyone.

I'm not even suggesting we ignore their valid concerns.

I want to see a more level playing field for everyone; no matter what their color, sexual orientation or background.

 

[tampee]

Treason can warrant the death penalty, yes. And all evidence points to the fact that he really is that stupid. When he is charged and convicted with high treason, I bet your mouth will stay closed on the subject. Until then, I can only build up proof so that I can make fun of you for being completely oblivious when this blows up in his face.

And he had corporate lawyers, not UCMJ lawyers.

You don't even have proof he passed classified information just one man's word from what I seen that shit won't hold up in court.

 

[tampee]

I wish the EU would take you.

Wouldn't make a difference I would never move to Europe! Costa Rica is certainly a good possibility maybe even a Caribbean island maybe even Jamaica since they decriminalized marijuana but I've always heard horror stories from Jamaicans. They might not like an American growing some of the best weed. I'd have Neville's Haze and all probably some of them Sativa's from ACE and shit. Yeah, they might love me or kill me. Lol

 

[tampee]

Don't put that on me, I said nothing of the kind- and you know it. Play your smear games with those who deserve them.

I'm addressing the wealth and income inequality problem that affects EVERYONE in this country, not just ethnic or sexual minorities. That doesn't mean I don't care about them, it means I care about everyone.

I'm not even suggesting we ignore their valid concerns.

I want to see a more level playing field for everyone; no matter what their color, sexual orientation or background.

You are racist because you don't agree with Uncle Buck. Lol