Why do Bernie Babies deny helping Trump get elected?

Padawanbater2

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He caucused with the Democrats ONLY during the last primary. He is not a Democrat, he has said so himself.
So? Is your point that since Sanders has been registered as an Independent during most of his political career, that he's not entitled equal treatment by the DNC? Because if it is, a few things.. 1. The DNC charter and bylaws are very clear, it doesn't say anything about the length of time one is required to be registered as a Democrat to receive equal support from the Democratic party. 2. Sanders has held more rallies for down ballot Democrats than any other Democrat in congress since the election. 3. he's pushed universal coverage to the front of the national healthcare debate. 4. he's the most popular politician in the country, it would be extremely stupid for the Democratic party to shun him, especially at this point in time given the administration occupying the white house
He had the Hillary beat down coming
It's not much of a beating if the election is held under unfair circumstances (which you already admitted). If this were an MMA fight, the Democratic primary would be overturned to a 'no contest'
You have not provided evidence, if you have, you would have cited it already. I NEVER said the primary was fair, I asked how Hillary cheated. Stop making shit up and substantiate your claim already.
Like I said, I'm not interested in trying to convince you of anything. If you truly want to see the evidence, you don't need me to point you towards it. You'll look it up yourself. All that would happen is that I would post it, and you would deny it. Not interested in that.
 

see4

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So? Is your point that since Sanders has been registered as an Independent during most of his political career, that he's not entitled equal treatment by the DNC?
Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. He has ran as an Independent, meaning he neither identifies with Democrats nor with Republicans. He is Independent. -- In 2015, he chose to register as a Democrat, I assume because he wanted to disrupt the party's politics. -- Shortly after the Primary loss in 2016, he registered back as an Independent. -- So yes, he had it coming.

Like I said, I'm not interested in trying to convince you of anything. If you truly want to see the evidence, you don't need me to point you towards it. You'll look it up yourself. All that would happen is that I would post it, and you would deny it. Not interested in that.
No, not true. If you are able to convince me that Hillary and DWS colluded and Hillary was primarily involved in the process by which it directly adversely affected the outcome, I will stand corrected. -- I have done my own research, I do not draw the same conclusions you do. I've seen a bunch of hearsay and conjecture, and in typical fashion, Democrats apologizing for much of nothing.

I can concede the DNC did little in the way of supporting Bernie, and rightfully so. He is an Independent. Just as I would expect the DNC to not curry favor with Trump or Stein, et al. -- Some would argue, in fact, Bernie may have done better if he simply ran as an Independent.

Hashtag, just sayin dawg.
 

Padawanbater2

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Yes, that is exactly what I am saying.
The DNCs own charter and bylaws grants anyone running as a Democrat equal treatment in accordance with their own rules. Sanders doesn't call himself a Democrat because he's more progressive than the Democratic party, not because he's less..

There's Sanders sitting all the way to the left of the American political spectrum, then Warren, then the Democratic party, then people like Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, & Chuck Schumer, then the Republican party, and finally people like Ted Cruz, Donald Trump, & Lindsay Graham

In 2015, he chose to register as a Democrat, I assume because he wanted to disrupt the party's politics.
He chose to register as a Democrat because there are inherent flaws within the two party system that prevent 3rd party candidates from doing as well. When was the last time one did "well"? Perot? Nader? Never gaining more than something like 21% and being blamed for Bush (in Nader's case). People propose the idea that Sanders should have run as an Independent, just like people propose the idea that Sanders should just start his own party, as a way to dismiss him. It's not a serious solution. It's a way for them to say "Don't disrupt the status quo!" and serves as an easy scapegoat if their candidate eventually loses. They can just blame the 3rd party candidate and claim they split the vote.
No, not true. If you are able to convince me that Hillary and DWS colluded and Hillary was primarily involved in the process by which it directly adversely affected the outcome, I will stand corrected. -- I have done my own research, I do not draw the same conclusions you do.
That's not how it works in America. You're never going to catch a savvy American politician, especially one as entrenched in politics as Hillary Clinton, red handed with the money bag in their hands. Instead what you see are subordinates colluding with mainstream media outlets, invites and attendees to private political dinners, kid gloves when it comes to questioning their political agenda, but fierce opposition towards their opponents. What we do have evidence of is consistent with this. So it's a bit disingenuous to ask to see a specific politician caught in a specific act when they've designed the laws and their own political strategies in a way specifically to avoid it.

If Clinton speaking directly to the head of MSNBC in order to get them to go softer on their coverage of her is corruption/collusion, so is the head of the DNC doing the exact same thing. If Clinton devising the idea to question her opponents religion before a primary specifically in order to garner more votes against him is corruption/collusion, so is the DNC communications director doing the exact same thing.

People/organizations acting in a way specifically to benefit Hillary Clinton is corruption/collusion whether Hillary Clinton herself had any role in it or not. It's clear her campaign did, it's clear the DNC did, it's clear multiple mainstream media outlets, including CNN, MSNBC, Vox, Washington Post, NYT, and others did.

I've seen a bunch of hearsay and conjecture, and in typical fashion, Democrats apologizing for much of nothing.
This is you attempting to justify it. Hillary Clinton herself said she regretted it, same with Donna Brazile. They wouldn't have said that if it was based on nothing, hearsay, or conjecture
I can concede the DNC did little in the way of supporting Bernie, and rightfully so.
I cited their own charter and bylaws that state otherwise. Where does it say that the DNC is to subvert democracy in the Democratic primary in favor of the candidate they (the Democratic establishment) support? I wonder why the Democratic National Committee even has a charter and bylaws that say they're to remain neutral among candidates if they can just choose to ignore them in favor of whoever they want? I wonder if Democrats would donate to them if they told them their vote didn't actually matter, that the leadership could just choose to select the candidate in a smoke filled back room if they wanted to?

I know I wouldn't. That's not why I donate to political candidates/parties

Some would argue, in fact, Bernie may have done better if he simply ran as an Independent.
He would have split the Democratic vote, people like you would have blamed him for Trump. The way he did it eliminates that option and forces you to accept the candidate Democrats pushed was terrible and couldn't beat the most disliked opponent in American history. Had he ran as an Independent and lost, it would have lended(lended?!) leant much more credibility to the idea that Clinton didn't win because of him. He knows that.
 
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UncleBuck

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The DNCs own charter and bylaws grants anyone running as a Democrat equal treatment in accordance with their own rules. Sanders doesn't call himself a Democrat because he's more progressive than the Democratic party, not because he's less..

There's Sanders sitting all the way to the left of the American political spectrum, then Warren, then the Democratic party, then people like Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, & Chuck Schumer, then the Republican party, and finally people like Ted Cruz, Donald Trump, & Lindsay Graham


He chose to register as a Democrat because there are inherent flaws within the two party system that prevent 3rd party candidates from doing as well. When was the last time one did "well"? Perot? Nader? Never gaining more than something like 21% and being blamed for Bush (in Nader's case). People propose the idea that Sanders should have run as an Independent, just like people propose the idea that Sanders should just start his own party, as a way to dismiss him. It's not a serious solution. It's a way for them to say "Don't disrupt the status quo!" and serves as an easy scapegoat if their candidate eventually loses. They can just blame the 3rd party candidate and claim they split the vote.

That's not how it works in America. You're never going to catch a savvy American politician, especially one as entrenched in politics as Hillary Clinton, red handed with the money bag in their hands. Instead what you see are subordinates colluding with mainstream media outlets, invites and attendees to private political dinners, kid gloves when it comes to questioning their political agenda, but fierce opposition towards their opponents. What we do have evidence of is consistent with this. So it's a bit disingenuous to ask to see a specific politician caught in a specific act when they've designed the laws and their own political strategies in a way specifically to avoid it.

If Clinton speaking directly to the head of MSNBC in order to get them to go softer on their coverage of her is corruption/collusion, so is the head of the DNC doing the exact same thing. If Clinton devising the idea to question her opponents religion before a primary specifically in order to garner more votes against him is corruption/collusion, so is the DNC communications director doing the exact same thing.

People/organizations acting in a way specifically to benefit Hillary Clinton is corruption/collusion whether Hillary Clinton herself had any role in it or not. It's clear her campaign did, it's clear the DNC did, it's clear multiple mainstream media outlets, including CNN, MSNBC, Vox, Washington Post, NYT, and others did.


This is you attempting to justify it. Hillary Clinton herself said she regretted it, same with Donna Brazile. They wouldn't have said that if it was based on nothing, hearsay, or conjecture

I cited their own charter and bylaws that state otherwise. Where does it say that the DNC is to subvert democracy in the Democratic primary in favor of the candidate they (the Democratic establishment) support? I wonder why the Democratic National Committee even has a charter and bylaws that say they're to remain neutral among candidates if they can just choose to ignore them in favor of whoever they want? I wonder if Democrats would donate to them if they told them their vote didn't actually matter, that the leadership could just choose to select the candidate in a smoke filled back room if they wanted to?

I know I wouldn't. That's not why I donate to political candidates/parties


He would have split the Democratic vote, people like you would have blamed him for Trump. The way he did it eliminates that option and forces you to accept the candidate Democrats pushed was terrible and couldn't beat the most disliked opponent in American history. Had he ran as an Independent and lost, it would have lended much more credibility to the idea that Clinton didn't win because of him. He knows that.



waaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
 

UncleBuck

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So it's okay if your team cheats.

So much for credibility- theirs OR yours.
no one cheated, bernie just forgot to talk to black people and women. ya know, the people who vote in democratic primaries.

well, bernie did cheat, but that was bank fraud and unrelated.
 

UncleBuck

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They totally resigned and apologized for nothing, though
why did obama disavow wright then?

still not gonna answer the question?

you can plead the fifth, it's fine. bernie and jane will be doing the same thing pretty soon when they get indicted for bank fraud.
 

UncleBuck

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No, I'm not. Because it's your pathetic attempt at distraction like usual
awwww, little bitch can't answer the question because it destroys his argument.

obama disavowed wright even though wright did nothing wrong and said nothing wrong because of optics.

same reason for the resignations and apologies. simply optics.

anyone who is not still crying his sheets wet every night from bernie's loss knows it too.
 

Padawanbater2

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if a resignation or apology is proof that something bad happened, then a disavowal is too
I disagree with your premise

A resignation or apology is not proof that something bad happened

In the case of Brazil and DWS, they resigned in shame and apologized based on the overwhelming evidence against them. If they didn't, it would have been much worse for the party. That's why DWS didn't speak at the convention.
 
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