Twitter users bully woman into committing suicide for branding her homophobic

[abandonconflict]

Christopher Buckley put it more succinctly than I can in regards to the harm that porn does to those who consume it:

“As anyone who’s had even a fleeting experience of porn knows: porn is to Eros what crack is to joy: an industrial-quality stimulant, an attaching of jumper cables to the libido.”

 

[ginjawarrior]

i never knew or saw her before this certainly have never jacked off to her or her work

i just hate the blatent hyprocracy of the people who i thought was on the same side of me you know the ones who respect a persons wishes of what they chose for their bodies

I don't think anyone that you are arguing with are suggesting she didn't have the right to refuse to work with someone. You're the one insisting she didn't make a very thinly veiled suggestion that other performers boycott gay men. I appreciate your dedication to good statistics but there's more to an argument than that. She did cross a line and the Twitter bullying was certainly not the only (or in my opinion even leading) factor in her final emotional breakdown. All I'm arguing is not to let the porn "industry" off the hook or the people who consume so much of it, creating market demand.

i said earlier on in thread
"never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
people should really remember that before they get on the outrage train

yes if it is a pattern ok attribute malice

but this case no

the inclination of the internet to go mob handed with ptichforks and torches to destroy anyone they concieve bad (without even double checking) is an absolute cancer on our modern society

the porn industry for all its fault is not a factor in this apart from the original agents that lied to august ames and led to the original tweet....

Deciphering...

"I love rape porn"

Like seriously dude, you just foisted your shit opinion on us to clear the porn "industry" of any blame in systematically buying and selling young women with limited options and blamed it on gay men who are also bought and sold by this "industry". Porn distributors regularly prey on the vulnerable. This is a multibillion dollar "industry" that peddles harmfully addictive material that ruins libidos and just look at average salaries and risks. This is a classic case of turning workers against each other to take heat off the beneficiaries of the systematic fuckery. The consumers, addicted to the imagery, choose the easy way out.

Talk about cancer on our society...

huh?

i talked about the twitter brigade ability to demonise and attack anyone for anything not limited to this situation or even about antyhing to do with porn

and your reply is what i can see

nu huh but porn industry is evil and talk about rape porn?

not sure what conspiracy you are alluding to here

Read your own post to which I was replying. You told someone else to go back and read your posts, I'm telling you to go back and read your post, that should clarify the context for you. I get that you want to talk about Twitter and blame everything on them, I am saying you're full of shit. Try to keep up.

I know you're smart enough to see it because you foisted some shit opinion about how the porn "industry" is not to blame for the emotional troubles of young women. Then I went on to explain and give a well worded argument. You dumbed it down to "nu huh but...", when I actually gave concise premises and a conclusion.

The only reason I can imagine that you are unable to assimilate this information is that you consume porn regularly. That's where the hyperbole came from. Again, try to keep up.

right ive gone back over them all and from what i can tell you dont like the porn industry as you think all the women in it are weak and have no options and are easily manipulated?

i think that is very belittling to the adult women who made the choice to join the industry. thats not to say its a perfect industry but to blame all emotional troubles of women within the industry on the industry i dont get how?
using august ames as an example as well i dont see any evidence that her emotional troubles were linked to being in the pron industry and i know plenty of people that have depression that have never done porn

now you can accuse me of watching "rape porn" because i do not agree with your hatred of porn all you want but its a bit pathetic i think

i do not have any idea at all what you are talking about tho when you say this is "This is a classic case of turning workers against each other to take heat off the beneficiaries of the systematic fuckery. "

you might not like porn but the cat is well and truely out of the bag and it isnt going to go away as much as you shake your fist at it and tell it to get off your lawn

 

[abandonconflict]

right ive gone back over them all and from what i can tell you dont like the porn industry as you think all the women in it are weak and have no options and are easily manipulated?

i think that is very belittling to the adult women who made the choice to join the industry. thats not to say its a perfect industry but to blame all emotional troubles of women within the industry on the industry i dont get how?
using august ames as an example as well i dont see any evidence that her emotional troubles were linked to being in the pron industry and i know plenty of people that have depression that have never done porn

now you can accuse me of watching "rape porn" because i do not agree with your hatred of porn all you want but its a bit pathetic i think

i do not have any idea at all what you are talking about tho when you say this is "This is a classic case of turning workers against each other to take heat off the beneficiaries of the systematic fuckery. "

you might not like porn but the cat is well and truely out of the bag and it isnt going to go away as much as you shake your fist at it and tell it to get off your lawn

To most of these arguments, I can say "fair enough" and agree. I was using hyperbole, ballbreaking on a forum of ballbreakers. I also agree, that the "cat's not going back in the bag". I don't think it would be a good idea to try to criminalize any of it, that's not my angle at all.

To be very specific, I am blaming those who consume and abuse porn for the depths to which porn producers go to produce ever more degrading and depraved scenes with ever more fresh and new faces. I am saying that this "industry" consumes young women. Yes, they made the choice to join the industry, just like sweat shop workers in Bangladesh made the choice to work in sweat shops. In most cases, it was what seemed to be the most rewarding work available to them, commensurate with their skills.

I will also clarify, again, what I meant by the "classic case of turning workers against each other" thing. You see, Ames was very clearly working against the economic interests of her peers, fellow sex workers. She publicly made a very thinly veiled suggestion that they should be given less work (I get that you disagree, but you're in the minority there, her comments were harmful to the livelihood of gay men in her own "industry") when she should have been standing in solidarity with them, demanding that industry leaders do more to protect them along with herself. Those very industry leaders tend to profit wildly while the average performer makes very little. Even (the comparatively very few) high earning porn stars seem to be very troubled.

In any case, I didn't make such a drastic point of that part of my argument to you, because I know you disagree and I don't care. It does however illustrate another facet to the thesis of my arguments in this thread, that the people who run this industry are peddling harmful shit to people that are addicted to it and they are systematically seeking troubled young women in the process.

 

[ginjawarrior]

To most of these arguments, I can say "fair enough" and agree. I was using hyperbole, ballbreaking on a forum of ballbreakers. I also agree, that the "cat's not going back in the bag". I don't think it would be a good idea to try to criminalize any of it, that's not my angle at all.

To be very specific, I am blaming those who consume and abuse porn for the depths to which porn producers go to produce ever more degrading and depraved scenes with ever more fresh and new faces.

i dont think that any porn star is made to do any scene that they do not want to.

Not only do men and women consume the style of porn you are talking about but there are men and women who enjoy having that style of sex and are perfectly happy performing that style too. the actors or actresses are looked after well too as harsh as the scene might look like as truely abusive production teams would stuggle to get new people to star in them

now this might not be true 100% of the time but i do think most. i dont know what porn you have been watchng to come to this conclusion tho

I am saying that this "industry" consumes young women. Yes, they made the choice to join the industry, just like sweat shop workers in Bangladesh made the choice to work in sweat shops. In most cases, it was what seemed to be the most rewarding work available to them, commensurate with their skills.

america is not a 3rd world country as hard as it tries to be i think you're doing disservice to the women in this bit

I will also clarify, again, what I meant by the "classic case of turning workers against each other" thing. You see, Ames was very clearly working against the economic interests of her peers, fellow sex workers.

right here we go i do not agree that she was working against their economic interests she was not calling for a boycot and had absolutely every right to not only choose not to sleep with them but to warn her fellow workers about an agency witholding the information that they were crossover actors

She publicly made a very thinly veiled suggestion that they should be given less work (I get that you disagree, but you're in the minority there, her comments were harmful to the livelihood of gay men in her own "industry")

there are women that are happy to sleep with crossover men there are women who dont want to.

i do not think her remarks will change the minds of someone who was already happy to sleep with them and would have been appreicated by the people that choose not to as they now know the agency is preared to lwithold that information

when she should have been standing in solidarity with them, demanding that industry leaders do more to protect them along with herself.

do more to protect them how?

im sorry but i dont think you should be dicating what she should have been doing and aside from the crass tweet how do you know what she did or did not do?

Those very industry leaders tend to profit wildly while the average performer makes very little. Even (the comparatively very few) high earning porn stars seem to be very troubled.

In any case, I didn't make such a drastic point of that part of my argument to you, because I know you disagree and I don't care. It does however illustrate another facet to the thesis of my arguments in this thread, that the people who run this industry are peddling harmful shit to people that are addicted to it and they are systematically seeking troubled young women in the process.

your projecting your own ideas and predjudices of porn into it there

people who watch porn (lots and lots of people men and women watch it)are not depraved sex addicts and the women who star in porn are not troubled victims either

 

[abandonconflict]

people who watch porn (lots and lots of people men and women watch it)are not depraved sex addicts and the women who star in porn are not troubled victims either

Sorry, I TL;DR'd you because you're boring as fuck. I just skipped to the last couple lines and assumed it was your conclusion because it is late here.

You have beaten this opinion of yours into pieces and I disagree, so we have reached an impasse. Also, it is bullshit. They may not always be troubled when they start (I do think they generally are desperate) but in the majority of cases they are quite troubled after working in porn for a while. I just can't help but think you are suggesting it because you want to believe it.

I gave up porn and hookers years ago along with alcohol and refined sugar. That shit is bad for ya, but I'm not saying it should be illegal, I just think some work needs to be done representing sex worker labor and empowering the people who do that sort of work. Maybe that would help the average porn addict be a bit less rapey like the OP.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Sorry, I TL;DR'd you because you're boring as fuck. I just skipped to the last couple lines and assumed it was your conclusion because it is late here.

bwhahahah AHERM

The only reason I can imagine that you are unable to assimilate this information is that you consume porn regularly.

You have beaten this opinion of yours into pieces and I disagree, so we have reached an impasse.

you jumped into tell me excatly the same thing everyone else did you can disagree all you want. we didnt need all these posts of your raging against the porn industry to get here

Also, it is bullshit. They may not always be troubled when they start (I do think they generally are desperate) but in the majority of cases they are quite troubled after working in porn for a while.

evidence?

I just can't help but think you are suggesting it because you want to believe it.

not everyone thnks like you show me evidece then ok but i dont assume that women are atuomatically victims and need our concern.....

I gave up porn and hookers years ago along with alcohol and refined sugar. That shit is bad for ya, but I'm not saying it should be illegal, I just think some work needs to be done representing sex worker labor and empowering the people who do that sort of work.

what excatly are you suggesting?

Maybe that would help the average porn addict be a bit less rapey like the OP.

............

 

[abandonconflict]

bwhahahah AHERM
what excatly are you suggesting?

............

Good question. You really seem to have a need to get the last word and dominate discussion here but you don't seem to have much of a point. Are you just mad because you liked jerking it to this particular pornchick? Do you blame gay people for her death?

 

[ginjawarrior]

Good question. You really seem to have a need to get the last word and dominate discussion here but you don't seem to have much of a point.

i thought you were trying to give some point? are you getting senile in your old age?
i thought you used to be more with it than this

anyway to help you here

What we are on at the moment is some thing called a FORUM. yes thats right a FORUM..

it is a place where people get together to talk to each other using their computors..

if you look to the bottom right hand corner of a post you'll see a button marked "post reply"

if you press that button you will send a reply to who ever made that post.

now you can send what ever you like to that person but think of it like a conversation and expect to get a reply back

i hope you got and understood that all ok..

Are you just mad because you liked jerking it to this particular pornchick? Do you blame gay people for her death?

no not gay poeple just fucking idiot keyboard warriors

you arent one of them are you?

 

[abandonconflict]

no not gay poeple just fucking idiot keyboard warriors

Are you contemplating suicide? If I suggested it, would you consider it? If everyone on this ƒø®¨µ suggested it, would you have a Twitter meltdown and off yourself?

I think if you would really do something like that, maybe you have underlying issues but I guess that's just me and the rest of the keyboard SJWs.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Are you contemplating suicide? If I suggested it, would you consider it? If everyone on this ƒø®¨µ suggested it, would you have a Twitter meltdown and off yourself?

I think if you would really do something like that, maybe you have underlying issues but I guess that's just me and the rest of the keyboard SJWs.

sorry unfortunatly i havent watched enough porn yet to get myself into such a sad and depresive state to be so unhappy and comtemplate suicide

im working my way through all the genres hopefully when i get to the really bad stuff i'll be properly depressed or depraved or maybe even both

i do have a long way to go as im still at the soft porn stage it'll be years before i get to the really bad stuff

got any recomendations?

 

[abandonconflict]

sorry unfortunatly i havent watched enough porn yet to get myself into such a sad and depresive state to be so unhappy and comtemplate suicide

im working my way through all the genres hopefully when i get to the really bad stuff i'll be properly depressed or depraved or maybe even both

i do have a long way to go as im still at the soft porn stage it'll be years before i get to the really bad stuff

got any recomendations?

Well according to you, getting bullied on Twitter is all it takes. I'm sure addicts with multiple mental health related disorders and diagnoses who drop out of high school and star in 290 porn films never have meltdowns.

You might be in luck though, the SJWs here like to bully dipshits like you who repeatedly make asinine comments.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Well according to you, getting bullied on Twitter is all it takes. I'm sure addicts with multiple mental health related disorders and diagnoses who drop out of high school and star in 290 porn films never have meltdowns.

You might be in luck though, the SJWs here like to bully dipshits like you who repeatedly make asinine comments.

i tried having a conversation with you when you posted to me

then you seemed to fall asleep in your soup and you reverted back to insults

 

[abandonconflict]

i tried having a conversation with you when you posted to me

You mean when you kept repeating your opinion over and over? You say tomato, I say shut the fuck up. However, if you really believe that people can be driven to suicide by mean comments on the internet and that there is no other underlying issue, I'll keep rickrolling you.

 

[ginjawarrior]

You mean when you kept repeating your opinion over and over? You say tomato, I say shut the fuck up. However, if you really believe that people can be driven to suicide by mean comments on the internet and that there is no other underlying issue, I'll keep rickrolling you.

to be fair i only give my opinion to you once.. i was talking to fog dog then you came on the thread and repeated excatly the same thing he did

im pretty sure that its been well established that she suffered from depression. it was the twitter brigade that pushed her over the edge

im more than happy to keep taking the piss out of you if thats all you are coming here for

 

[abandonconflict]

im pretty sure that its been well established that she suffered from depression. it was the twitter brigade that pushed her over the edge

Oh pushed her over the edge. So she was on the edge. Was that because she loved being a pornstar so much or despite it?

 

[ginjawarrior]

Oh pushed her over the edge. So she was on the edge.

yes depression can have that effect on people

Was that because she loved being a pornstar so much or despite it?

who is to say?

there is no evidence for your theory of the evil porn industry doing it

there are depressed people all over the place who have never been pornstars

 

[abandonconflict]

yes depression can have that effect on people

Oh, I thought you said that cyber bullies made her commit suicide, now it seems like you're saying that her depression caused it. Oh right, she was just on the edge, well let's just blame it all on those nasty SJWs...

Funny, since she also had bipolar disorder and multiple personality disorder, a history of drug addiction and had been a victim of sexual abuse as a child. I'm sure that is a fluke and no other pornstars are like her though.

Also funny you said something about evidence. You should look up pornstar suicide rates. Better yet, look up pornstar PTSD rates. It's sobering, unlike you, you're so boring.

 

[twostrokenut]

You mean when you kept repeating your opinion over and over? You say tomato, I say shut the fuck up. However, if you really believe that people can be driven to suicide by mean comments on the internet and that there is no other underlying issue, I'll keep rickrolling you.

I heard you used to be somewhat of a quality troll that knew what a rickroll was and where it came from. there has been no rickroll in this thread, add another delusion to your laundry list.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Oh, I thought you said that cyber bullies made her commit suicide, now it seems like you're saying that her depression caused it. Oh right, she was just on the edge, well let's just blame it all on those nasty SJWs...

Funny, since she also had bipolar disorder and multiple personality disorder, a history of drug addiction and had been a victim of sexual abuse as a child. I'm sure that is a fluke and no other pornstars are like her though.

very weak sauce indeed

i can understand why its so important tho for you to demonise her, and deflect away by portray her as such damaged goods

because if for minute you stopped and gave her the benefit of the doubt accepted that she was a real person

all you could do then would be to realise what a fucking monster you and the rest of you all had become

 

[abandonconflict]

if for minute you stopped and gave her the benefit of the doubt accepted that she was a real person

I'm not the one who is so upset that she won't be in anymore fap films. I'm not the one using her death to score points against the evil SJWs. Call me monster all fucking day but the fact is that I'm not demonizing anything. She really was the subject of multiple mental health diagnoses. She really did have a history of drug abuse and child sexual abuse. 290 fap films didn't make her more healthy and sane.

That is the type of person most likely to be drawn (bought, sold, chewed up and spit out) by the porn "industry".