Greenpoint seeds!!

[quiescent]

Just from your first sentence shows your clueless and have no idea wtf your talking about.
This was already explained a couple times on the process. @quiescent knows exactly the way I explained it.

Keep swinging man.your doing a good job.

This is what an IG looks like of someone who actually grows. LOL feels good to actually post my own shit and not everyone elses....oh snap did he do that....yep

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I'm comfortable with his plan. If it doesn't work out it'll be a learning experience for both of us.

The community used to buy up all of Rez's gear in minutes, hundreds of packs. Motherfucker only had a 700 sq ft apartment with tents.

Heisen is doing it better than that and I'm sure he cares about what's going on more than Rez ever did. That fuckface was in it purely for the money. Got lucky he had access to strains not many did at the time the internet boomed.

 

[Jp.the.pope]

Just my opinion....

I have 6 mom's right now. One happens to be GPS, another DVG.

1 - Brandywine from dvg bought at GPS.... Love this plant. Ticks most the boxes I look for. Yield, frost, density, potency etc.

2 - Lemon fizz x Stardawg - old school GPS. And it continually gets rave reviews from patients and friends. No less than five people have said is their favorite stain.

My point is... Different strokes for different folks. I own alot of GPS. I like supporting local, I paid a good price and from the five packs I've ran over the last couple years I've had some amazing plants. Especially in copper chem.

I'll be coming back to GPS.... But I love variety and have a very deep vault. I love what I've seen from DVG. Who cares about the forum politics bs.

I personally don't like supporting Walmart, but my wife does. Why get into consistent arguments over differences of opinion. If you don't like GU or his business practices don't buy his seeds. That doesnt mean you won't find winners in the seed stock though.

I love what I've seen from DVG. His posts for the last couple days have made me respect him as a business man and a breeder. Doesn't mean I won't run my GPS. And it sure as hell doesn't mean I won't buy more DVG, even at a higher price point than GPS sold them for. If anything the auction price got me to bite and the quality keeps me coming back.

It's like when a company drops shit on the cheap at Costco. Sell some product, bring in new customers, and then go back to your regularly scheduled distribution channels. I bought 2 lbs of some amazing coffee at Costco for about $12. Was regularly there for about 6 months. Once it was gone, it was gone. Now if I want that coffee it's $16/lb. Gaurantee they got new customers. At the same time, you don't see them selling at Costco anymore. No reason to.

Everyone should just do what works for them. The Canna game is big enough for all of us.

 

[Tangerine_]

As a consumer/mostly lurker around here, I'd like to offer my 2c to some of the new breeders out there. By fighting with the few antagonists on these platforms, you're destroying your brand for folks like me. The need to flex your ego at the few asshats is ruining your rep among the lurking consumers, which far outweigh the trolls. Believe it or not, I actually come onto these threads to observe seed and strain reviews, but end up leaving with a list of folks that I'll never buy gear from.

As a Bodhi aficionado, I had a tremendous appreciation for Gu and the tests he ran for him. Knocked them all out of the park. When he launched GPS, I couldn't help but feel a bit of shadiness in regard to the Chem 4 x SD cross. I actually wasn't going to partake in the first drop out of principal. But then came JJ(I don't know him, and i'm not talking shit here, just observations as a bystander) on the forums and social media platforms... He came at Gu like a thugged out gangbanger threatening violence like a mad man. My feelings were like, dude you're the Stardawg guy, what the fuck are you doing fighting this little guy for, start dropping gear again and the hype train will be in full force. All it did was plug GPS, create hype for Gu's brand, and validate the genetics in a way (If the creator of stardawg is using his time to fight this battle, there must be something to these genetics that make this guy feel threatened). Originally, I was gung-ho to stalk the first new JJ drops, after witnessing the antics as someone who knew none of these people and the politics, I paid pennies for several packs of the C4xSD. It wasn't because I was supporting or not supporting the parties involved, I just wanted to run a SD cross as a connoisseur to see what the hype was all about.

All I'm saying is keep the vibes positive, and handle all situations with diplomacy, and people will give you the benefit of the doubt and throw money your way. If you look like a negative asshole to the people that don't yet know you, people will think spend their cash elsewhere in this over saturated market.

100% agree with every word.
Most seedmakers trying to break into the bizz have yrs of journals. I followed Gu long before he started selling seeds and there's no question he has mad growing skills.
A lot of things have to fall into your favor to make it in this bizz and you've pointed out most of them.

 

[Rivendell]

Just to clarify, I will not be buying any further gps seeds either. It has nothing to do with the seeds as I have been more than pleased with the majority of seeds I have flowered out.

I called a hard stop and retracted recommendations to friends when nuggets were wiped out. Stealing what amounts to cash from customers is not a legitimate way to address a issue that resulted from your own system. That was on gu not on his customers and was a total and complete violation of trust.

Just wanted it known that I no longer support his company and simply have a issue with the lack of maturity being displayed on this thread.

 

[Tangerine_]

I'm comfortable with his plan. If it doesn't work out it'll be a learning experience for both of us.

The community used to buy up all of Rez's gear in minutes, hundreds of packs. Motherfucker only had a 700 sq ft apartment with tents.

Heisen is doing it better than that and I'm sure he cares about what's going on more than Rez ever did. That fuckface was in it purely for the money. Got lucky he had access to strains not many did at the time the internet boomed.

No one knew at the time Rez was running his OP out an apartment. He talked a big game and a lot of people fell for it. And when he got busted he took good people down with him.

 

[BigHornBuds]

I've called you out and so have a few other for punching down the competition. Top Dawg, the IG post from DVG....c'mon man.
Its a shitty look for ANYONE selling seeds.

Let the work speak for itself. That's all I'm sayin now and what's I said in my original replies

Horrible look on me, n I don’t like it.
But when I see bad practices , & bad business , bad ethics vs improving cannabis .
I need to speak my mind

I see a business man improving his wallet not making anything better.

What ever happened to being the bigger man....now it's all trash talk like everyone wants to see who can make them selves look worse. Starting to wonder if any one in this industry can have a mature conversation or if it's just a bunch of kids in the school yard.

I’m trying to have an adult constructive conversation right now in PM , in hopes that it helps a few people down the road.

 

[Bodyne]

What ever happened to being the bigger man....now it's all trash talk like everyone wants to see who can make them selves look worse. Starting to wonder if any one in this industry can have a mature conversation or if it's just a bunch of kids in the school yard.

the president. Now you can pussygrab, lie, talk shit, mouth anyone that don't agree with you, especially on net, and its SOP. Its just trickled down, may go further.

 

[quiescent]

No one knew at the time Rez was running his OP out an apartment. He talked a big and a lot of people fell for it. And when he got busted he took good people down with him.

What I was getting at, admittedly poorly, was that Rez had issues but would slam people that had problems with his gear.

Had a couple pack of seeds at $300 a pack produce 3 legit females and they're all trash compared to the hermied out plants? Fuck you noob, goes on to talk shit about whatever hole he can poke. Doesn't make it right because he didn't care enough to do it right in the first place.

Heisen cares enough to get it right one way or another. Rez's Hermie issues are almost entirely from not testing the initial parents properly and creating seeds in a less than ideal environment IMHO.

 

[Gu~]

I've called you out and so have a few other for punching down the competition. Top Dawg, the IG post from DVG....c'mon man.
Its a shitty look for ANYONE selling seeds.

Let the work speak for itself. That's all I'm sayin now and what's I said in my original replies

You're right, I should just focus on myself. DVG @Dungeons_Vault I shouldn't have called you out on my perception of your business practices. I should have just stayed in my lane.

Greenpoint Seeds is a superior seed company because I produce healthy seed sourced from the newest clone only plants and sell them for wholesale prices directly to the consumer. I broke the mould for the traditional seed game and continue to innovate.

 

[Amos Otis]

He is the king of selling cheap seeds. Smart move....

Replace "cheap" with 'inexpensive', provide big sacks of beans from quality parents for people to dig through, charge bare minimum in the spirit of weed and good vibes, and you know what? Maybe it is a smart move.

 

[newgrow16]

Purpose of thread:

Copper Chem at 5 weeks:

 

[40AmpstoFreedom]

I haven't given him seeds in over a year, probably more.

Good don't:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=353111

https://www.rollitup.org/t/ripped-off-by-green-line-organics-seed-bank-glo.965332/

 

[Tangerine_]

Horrible look on me, n I don’t like it.
But when I see bad practices , & bad business , bad ethics vs improving cannabis .
I need to speak my mind

I see a business man improving his wallet not making anything better.


I’m trying to have an adult constructive conversation right now in PM , in hopes that it helps a few people down the road.

A lot of us no longer support Greenpoint but I'm tellin right now, it looks terrible to see grown men going on day after day beating the same dead horse. Nit picking every detail.
And PMs? My inbox is full daily from people who see it the same way.
ALL of Gu`s poor business practices have been pointed out and dissected over and over again to the point its become redundant.

Its obvious why Heisen trolls the thread (not sure why its allowed) and I even understand why he has a couple followers. People love free shit and some are easily impressed. To me, its no different than how GP started out with the reward program and auctions (except Gu actually had the seeds ready to go not to mention many yrs worth of complete grow journals).

People were singing GP praise before they even grew out the beans because at that time some of those genetics were impossible to get.
You could get packs of seeds for no more than the cost of shipping. People boasted their deals on here daily.

Look, I respect most of you a LOT and I'm just telling you how it looks especially for some that I consider extremely knowledgeable. I wont plug GP either but I also dont feel the need to come on here daily to repeat whats already been stated...hundreds of times. I don't dog pile. Never have and I never will...and I damn sure will never accept "hush cuts" or free seeds in return for support.
I just feel bad for anyone trying to find grow info who's met with pages of this nonsense.
Or the other respected growers trying to post pics knowing their photos are going to be dissected and mocked. I didn't agree with it yrs ago and I don't agree with it now.

 

[Tangerine_]

What I was getting at, admittedly poorly, was that Rez had issues but would slam people that had problems with his gear.

Had a couple pack of seeds at $300 a pack produce 3 legit females and they're all trash compared to the hermied out plants? Fuck you noob, goes on to talk shit about whatever hole he can poke. Doesn't make it right because he didn't care enough to do it right in the first place.

Heisen cares enough to get it right one way or another. Rez's Hermie issues are almost entirely from not testing the initial parents properly and creating seeds in a less than ideal environment IMHO.

Its a little early to make that claim...dontcha think?


Edited to add: Yep. I do remember Rez going after anyone who had issues with his seeds. Good on you for speaking up. A lot of people didn't until after he was outted/busted because he had such a big following.

 

[whytewidow]

do you have a source for the OGKB being used to make cookies and cream? afaik exotic never said what cookie cut was used. i have actively tried to find out myself.

does that plant have the OGKB leaf traits? veg ultra slow?

Every fan stacks like ogkb, veg rate is down right shit. I almost culled it in veg the first time I run it. Bc it was soooooooo slow. I had two different cookie clones beside each other. This cut and forum delight cut. The FD cut had weeks of growth over the cnc cut. I actually had to veg the cnc 3 weeks longer. To get the same amount of nodes and plant height.

And I've tried to find out a few times what cut he used when he made the cookies n cream. To no avail. This cut of CnC is starfighter dom. I have a cut of an older starfighter that look extremely close in plant structure, and bud structure. I'd love to find out which cut he used when he made it.

 

[Amos Otis]

You could get packs of seeds for no more than the cost of shipping. People boasted their deals on here daily.

"Out the door" was a rather well known phrase at that time...lol.

 

[Tangerine_]

Every fan stacks like ogkb, veg rate is down right shit. I almost culled it in veg the first time I run it. Bc it was soooooooo slow. I had two different cookie clones beside each other. This cut and forum delight cut. The FD cut had weeks of growth over the cnc cut. I actually had to veg the cnc 3 weeks longer. To get the same amount of nodes and plant height.

And I've tried to find out a few times what cut he used when he made the cookies n cream. To no avail. This cut of CnC is starfighter dom. I have a cut of an older starfighter that look extremely close in plant structure, and bud structure. I'd love to find out which cut he used when he made it.

Your cut looks almost identical to a Strawberry Starfighter pic I recently saw. I've been trying to back track thru my browser history to find it again because I cant remember who posted it and I wanted to know where to find the beans...if they were even still available.

 

[Chunky Stool]

Replace "cheap" with 'inexpensive', provide big sacks of beans from quality parents for people to dig through, charge bare minimum in the spirit of weed and good vibes, and you know what? Maybe it is a smart move.

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Seems like lots of folks are turned off by bullying and bragging, but at the end of the day it's about the beans.

It's annoying to see Gu claim that he sells at wholesale prices, because his retail price on non-discontinued beans is industry average (around $90).

To get wholesale price, you've gotta be patient and keep an eye on the reverse auctions.
Or wait a few weeks for another promo code (like black Friday, groundhog day, low on rent day, etc).

Scarcity marketing works, but it's getting old.

GPS beans were wholesale back in the days when EVERYONE got 50% back in nuggets. No tiers, and no bullshit.

 

[whytewidow]

I’d run DVG at 300 a pack before I’d run your for free .
But please continue , oh great business man.

Idk all about that. Lol, There isnt a dvg strain I'd pay 300 for. Let alone 125. I've run some not impressed.


Edit: could be grower error, but not likely. My tents are kindve dialed in..

 

[whytewidow]

Your cut looks almost identical to a Strawberry Starfighter pic I recently saw. I've been trying to back track thru my browser history to find it again because I cant remember who posted it and I wanted to know where to find the beans...if they were even still available.

I know exactly what pic you're pic talkin about. But I havent seen it for awhile.