Biden vs Trump

abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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What this Forbes article describes is verifiable. He is not forgiven simply because he's not Trump. Having his spokesman deliver his tentative about face is also unconvincing. I will actively work against this drug-warrior.
During drug war hysteria of the 1980s, Biden introduced a slew of draconian drug-policy bills that called for the federal government to, among other things, “aggressively use criminal, civil, and other equitable remedies…against drug offenders.” In 1990, he introduced the National Drug Control Strategy Act, which would have created “military-style boot camp prisons” for people arrested for drug-related offenses, and would have directed the federal government to work with Hollywood movie and TV studios to embed government backed anti-drug propaganda into movie and television scripts.
Through the years Joe Biden has called for the death penalty for marijuana dealers, sponsored the RAVE Act which created criminal penalties for concert promoters when drugs are found on site regardless of their knowledge of the underlying drug crimes, championed civil asset forfeiture laws that have focused law enforcement on drug offenses at the expense of violent crimes, worked with segregationist Strom Thurmond to deny gun ownership rights to misdemeanor drug offenders, and praised the DEA as recently as 2008 for “aggressively targeting organizations involved in the growing, manufacturing, and distribution of such substances as marijuana.”
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/kriskrane/2019/06/05/joe-bidens-cannabis-policy-would-be-a-gift-to-donald-trump-in-a-general-election/#5997f4da2035
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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TacoMac said:
Tell us more. Nobody in the entire state seems to know the first thing about it.



Ummmm...he took exactly NONE.

He was forced to hire his replacement to oversee the recount. That was all that happened. It was Abrams that filed about 5 lawsuits saying that "every vote should be counted"...which was stupid on her part and a desperate last grasp at the spotlight to make it look like she was somehow cheated.

She wasn't.

She lost. By 55,000 votes. It wasn't even remotely close.

The only thing Georgia is doing is considering new machines that give a paper ballot after you vote. Frankly, it's a waste of time and money, but that's what they say people say they want, although I've never met anybody in my 52 years that ever once mentioned it.
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Every vote should always be counted, it is logical to call races based on overwhelming votes but the votes should still be counted.

And also we need to fix how much crappier it is to vote in poor urban areas, people should not have to wait 4+ hours to vote because they don't set up enough voting areas/booths for people to be able to vote in a timely fashion. I live in a nice suburban city and have not spent more than 20 minutes voting in about 15 years.

https://elections.mit.edu/#overview
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Biden is losing my vote in the primary.. of course I would vote for him in the general. I'm listening and leaning more to Warren, Harris, Booker. I usually play in the GOP primary, always voting for the Dem in the general elections. This round I vote in the Dem primary and will vote for ANY dem that makes it out of the primary. Trump is an awful POS POTUS
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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abandonconflict said:
What this Forbes article describes is verifiable. He is not forgiven simply because he's not Trump. Having his spokesman deliver his tentative about face is also unconvincing. I will actively work against this drug-warrior.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kriskrane/2019/06/05/joe-bidens-cannabis-policy-would-be-a-gift-to-donald-trump-in-a-general-election/#5997f4da2035
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Biden's history is written and he's had a hand in too many bad policies. I won't vote for him in May. Still, he's leagues better than Trump.

I vote for according to my values in the primary and tactically in the fall.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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I probably won't vote if it's Biden. I'm from a solid blue state and I'm just not motivated to support someone who thinks that I should be incarcerated for consuming a harmless plant.

If my state goes red I'll take flak for it but I won't spam naked-capitalism links.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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abandonconflict said:
I probably won't vote if it's Biden. I'm from a solid blue state and I'm just not motivated to support someone who thinks that I should be incarcerated for consuming a harmless plant.

If my state goes red I'll take flak for it but I won't spam naked-capitalism links.
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If your state goes red by just a few votes, I think you'd be the first to give yourself a hard time instead of finding comfort by spamming fake news to justify a bad outcome from not voting.

Oregon is pretty much a safe blue state so it doesn't matter what I choose to do. I'm not ever going to give Republicans or the idiotic left an edge in any discussion about voter turnout. I'm going to vote for Biden or whoever the Democrats put up against him. I want my vote to be counted even if a gazillion other people make my vote redundant. But that's my deal and I'm not commenting on yours.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Fogdog said:
If your state goes red by just a few votes, I think you'd be the first to give yourself a hard time instead of finding comfort by spamming fake news to justify a bad outcome from not voting.

Oregon is pretty much a safe blue state so it doesn't matter what I choose to do. I'm not ever going to give Republicans or the idiotic left an edge in any discussion about voter turnout. I'm going to vote for Biden or whoever the Democrats put up against him. I want my vote to be counted even if a gazillion other people make my vote redundant. But that's my deal and I'm not commenting on yours.
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I can respect pragmatism but I have a visceral reaction to some of the shit going on. I suspect your apparent "anyone but Trump" stance is based mostly on what you feel as well but I would not insist such if you disagree.

I'm not overlooking the clear blunders he has made already or the recent fat-lip his campaign suffered from his touchiness. Even if these problems with his image are not deserved, they're there. On a visceral level, I feel like his attempts to unify and calm come off more as putting a nice face on the same policies. In regards to pragmatism, I'm not highly optimistic for him either.

The only time I have seen him use passionate language is in regard to child separation at the border. Don't get me wrong, that's great but to me it says he would try to get a Nobel peace prize while still being the deporter in chief. Please do try to convince me that I'm off-base. He's trying to be like a Bill Clinton or Barack Obama but his image has already been sullied. Couple that with his approach to one of my most important domestic issues and it's just not inspiring me. I'm not trying to convince you to agree with me, I'm just explaining myself and how I feel about it.
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It's only June 2019 though, so now is the time to air this shit, not next year. I could trade my feelings in for pragmatism too if something is offered to me. On the other hand, I have a very strong visceral reaction to the current Traitor in Chief, so I might even just follow my feelings to it.

In any case, I'm yet to be inspired on either a visceral or pragmatic level.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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abandonconflict said:
I can respect pragmatism but I have a visceral reaction to some of the shit going on. I suspect your apparent "anyone but Trump" stance is based mostly on what you feel as well but I would not insist such if you disagree.

I'm not overlooking the clear blunders he has made already or the recent fat-lip his campaign suffered from his touchiness. Even if these problems with his image are not deserved, they're there. On a visceral level, I feel like his attempts to unify and calm come off more as putting a nice face on the same policies. In regards to pragmatism, I'm not highly optimistic for him either.

The only time I have seen him use passionate language is in regard to child separation at the border. Don't get me wrong, that's great but to me it says he would try to get a Nobel peace prize while still being the deporter in chief. Please do try to convince me that I'm off-base. He's trying to be like a Bill Clinton or Barack Obama but his image has already been sullied. Couple that with his approach to one of my most important domestic issues and it's just not inspiring me. I'm not trying to convince you to agree with me, I'm just explaining myself and how I feel about it.
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It's only June 2019 though, so now is the time to air this shit, not next year. I could trade my feelings in for pragmatism too if something is offered to me. On the other hand, I have a very strong visceral reaction to the current Traitor in Chief, so I might even just follow my feelings to it.

In any case, I'm yet to be inspired on either a visceral or pragmatic level.
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Four more years of Trump.

I suppose it could be worse.

He could be capable.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Fogdog said:
Four more years of Trump.

I suppose it could be worse.

He could be capable.
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Right, but we shouldn't have had Trump as president at all. Hillary inspires far more than Biden and yet still the turn out was low. I feel like by backing Biden now (I'm also saying it's not yet time for this sort of pragmatism) we're actually risking four more years of Trump.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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abandonconflict said:
Right, but we shouldn't have had Trump as president at all. Hillary inspires far more than Biden and yet still the turn out was low. I feel like by backing Biden now (I'm also saying it's not yet time for this sort of pragmatism) we're risking four more years of Trump.
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I'm not voting for Biden in the primary.

My short list is Warren, Booker or Harris but I'm not yet sold on any of them. Probably won't make up my mind until January or March. Oregon's primary is in May. It's too early to settle on anybody.

Consider how much more damage Trump could do to the civil service, the environment, schools, education, health care, the courts, the Hispanic community, women's rights, civil rights and national security. The fucker sold us out to Russia.

To me, it's unimaginable that I'd prefer Trump to any of the current list of Democratic candidates. I like Warren. If I had to choose today, I'd choose her but I don't have to choose. I don't think Biden will win the primary, BTW.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Fogdog said:
I'm not voting for Biden in the primary.

My short list is Warren, Booker or Harris but I'm not yet sold on any of them. Probably won't make up my mind until January or March. Oregon's primary is in May. It's too early to settle on anybody.

Consider how much more damage Trump could do to the civil service, the environment, schools, education, health care, the courts, the Hispanic community, women's rights, civil rights and national security. The fucker sold us out to Russia.

To me, it's unimaginable that I'd prefer Trump to any of the current list of Democratic candidates. I like Warren. If I had to choose today, I'd choose her but I don't have to choose. I don't think Biden will win the primary, BTW.
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I'm not suggesting Trump over anyone (I forgive that you are used to dealing with shyttstikk). I'm suggesting that refraining from calling out Joe in 2019 will lead basically to a repeat of 2016 in 2020. If Joe makes it to 2020, then he's our best shot. I think we could all line up a better shot though.
 
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Khyber420

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Fogdog said:
If your state goes red by just a few votes, I think you'd be the first to give yourself a hard time instead of finding comfort by spamming fake news to justify a bad outcome from not voting.

Oregon is pretty much a safe blue state so it doesn't matter what I choose to do. I'm not ever going to give Republicans or the idiotic left an edge in any discussion about voter turnout. I'm going to vote for Biden or whoever the Democrats put up against him. I want my vote to be counted even if a gazillion other people make my vote redundant. But that's my deal and I'm not commenting on yours.
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Exactly right. I don't care to comment on Trump or Biden since I'm Canadian, but I do see a lot of this "if they put up candidate X, I'm not even going to bother voting for anyone." Wasn't that the classic line from last election? You have two choices, pick one, that's democracy.
We have three or four choices up here come October, can't say I much like any of them but I will proudly exercise my right to vote. In some places it's a crime not to.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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abandonconflict said:
I'm not suggesting Trump over anyone (I forgive that you are used to dealing with shyttstikk). I'm suggesting that refraining from calling out Joe in 2019 will lead basically to a repeat of 2016 in 2020. If Joe makes it to 2020, then he's our best shot. I think we could all line up a better shot though.
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Yes, well, if anybody wants to pile onto Biden for his odious past and his apparently oblivious current self, I'm not going to fault them. hanimal, for example said he couldn't overlook Biden's legislative record. I couldn't find fault with that.

Your question is a good one and I'll think it over. I really actively dislike Biden and Bernie. Maybe I should lend help to a group that opposes Biden. I'm going to think it over.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Khyber420 said:
Exactly right. I don't care to comment on Trump or Biden since I'm Canadian, but I do see a lot of this "if they put up candidate X, I'm not even going to bother voting for anyone." Wasn't that the classic line from last election? You have two choices, pick one, that's democracy.
We have three or four choices up here come October, can't say I much like any of them but I will proudly exercise my right to vote. In some places it's a crime not to.
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Well I disagree. My state will go blue either way so refraining is mitigated and I reserve my right not to support someone. Besides, I would argue that shoving two shitty candidates in our faces was the cause of low turnout in 2016. Furthermore, Clinton is a FAR better candidate than Biden and if she couldn't inspire voters, we're headed for a repeat if it's Biden.
 
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