Organic nuits

weedstoner420

weedstoner420

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Organic growing can be seriously simple and still give great results, even with no liquid nutes. I'm going to second checking out @swedsteven 's recent posts in the Gaia Green thread, although there are many brands that make similar organic dry fertilizer blends which can be used in the same way you would use the Gaia.

For example, you could start with just 4 things:

- Peat or coco (whichever is more available to you, either will work)
- Aeration (perlite/pumice/etc, again your choice)
- Compost (or worm castings)
- Dry fertilizer blend (Gaia, Dr Earth, Espoma, etc, whatever is available at the local garden center and geared towards veggie gardening, with NPK values between 3 and 6-ish)

Mix the first 3 things in roughly equal amounts. That is your base. Then mix in about 2 cups of the dry fertilizer blend for every cubic foot (~30 liters) of base.

If you grow in larger containers (10-15 gallons/40-60 liters) you can probably just use that mix and add only water for the life of the plant. If you go with a smaller container you will probably need to top-dress with additional fertilizer periodically.

Cannabis growers (and nutrient manufacturers) love to overcomplicate things. Here is a plant I harvested recently, using a mix similar to what I described above. I top-dressed once during flower, but judging by how dark green the leaves were I don't think that was even necessary. Other than that, I just watered (plain tap water) and watched it grow. Vegged for 4 weeks, flowered for 12, in a ~11 gallon planter box.
 

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xtsho

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I've grown using both and haven't noticed any difference. Some of the best tasting weed I've ever grown was using GH 3 part in hydro. Growing in soil I have never noticed any difference in yield between using salts or organic. MaxiBloom in coco tastes as good as any of the organic soil plants I've grown recently.

Just grow however you know best and works for you. Switching to organics is not going to magically make your weed taste better or lower your yield. Maybe try some different genetics until you find something you like.

If I took 2 plants of the same strain and grew one in soil organically and the other in hydro with something like MaxiBloom they would both produce very tasty bud. If I gave you a sample of each in a blind taste test you wouldn't be able to tell any difference.
 
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Inkerman84

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xtsho said:
I've grown using both and haven't noticed any difference. Some of the best tasting weed I've ever grown was using GH 3 part in hydro. Growing in soil I have never noticed any difference in yield between using salts or organic. MaxiBloom in coco tastes as good as any of the organic soil plants I've grown recently.

Just grow however you know best and works for you. Switching to organics is not going to magically make your weed taste better or lower your yield. Maybe try some different genetics until you find something you like.

If I took 2 plants of the same strain and grew one in soil organically and the other in hydro with something like MaxiBloom they would both produce very tasty bud. If I gave you a sample of each in a blind taste test you wouldn't be able to tell any difference.
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I don't want to do the work myself and learn or read, just tell me what to do

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I asked for the name of a decent organic feed that’s all now why would I want to read all that shit about different products when there is nothing better than somebody else’s experience so get off you pedalstool and read what I wrote im 54 and I’ve a few grows under my belt!
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Inkerman84

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xtsho said:
I've grown using both and haven't noticed any difference. Some of the best tasting weed I've ever grown was using GH 3 part in hydro. Growing in soil I have never noticed any difference in yield between using salts or organic. MaxiBloom in coco tastes as good as any of the organic soil plants I've grown recently.

Just grow however you know best and works for you. Switching to organics is not going to magically make your weed taste better or lower your yield. Maybe try some different genetics until you find something you like.

If I took 2 plants of the same strain and grew one in soil organically and the other in hydro with something like MaxiBloom they would both produce very tasty bud. If I gave you a sample of each in a blind taste test you wouldn't be able to tell any difference.
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I’ve done all the different growing mediums I prefer soil saying that I’ve never used coco sorry and I’ve never done organic ever and a lot of people have told me that if I tried organic I’d never go back now it’s just for me ,all I asked was what people thought was the best bottled organic nuits range I may not even do it yet was just looking for opinions!
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Inkerman84 said:
I’ve done all the different growing mediums I prefer soil saying that I’ve never used coco sorry and I’ve never done organic ever and a lot of people have told me that if I tried organic I’d never go back now it’s just for me ,all I asked was what people thought was the best bottled organic nuits range I may not even do it yet was just looking for opinions!
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Your weed isn't going to be any better by using some overpriced lizard labeled nonsense from Advanced Nutrients.
 
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weedstoner420

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Inkerman84 said:
I’ve done all the different growing mediums I prefer soil saying that I’ve never used coco sorry and I’ve never done organic ever and a lot of people have told me that if I tried organic I’d never go back now it’s just for me ,all I asked was what people thought was the best bottled organic nuits range I may not even do it yet was just looking for opinions!
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IMO, one of the major benefits of organic is you can move away from mixing liquid nutrients as frequently by using dry amendments instead. It's kind of a different approach to providing nutrients to the plant.

Personally, I like that I can water with plain water, and scratch some stuff into the top layer of soil every now and again, rather than mixing bottles and measuring out milliliters every time I water. In the end, the ions the plant's roots absorb are the same whether organic or synthetic. If people are seeing improvements in quality when using organic, perhaps it's because the actual process is easier, and it's easier to get excellent results.
 
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Inkerman84

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weedstoner420 said:
IMO, one of the major benefits of organic is you can move away from mixing liquid nutrients as frequently by using dry amendments instead. It's kind of a different approach to providing nutrients to the plant.

Personally, I like that I can water with plain water, and scratch some stuff into the top layer of soil every now and again, rather than mixing bottles and measuring out milliliters every time I water. In the end, the ions the plant's roots absorb are the same whether organic or synthetic. If people are seeing improvements in quality when using organic, perhaps it's because the actual process is easier, and it's easier to get excellent results.
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It’s just what I’ve been told that the taste is better I mean I’m not unhappy with mine but the last 2 I’ve been getting used to my led so was another learning curve but now I’ve done that and the ate up is just how I want it for personal use so going to give organic a try it will have to come from a bottle as I’m low on space here but I’ll find a decent organic nuittrient
 
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Inkerman84

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Inkerman84 said:
It’s just what I’ve been told that the taste is better I mean I’m not unhappy with mine but the last 2 I’ve been getting used to my led so was another learning curve but now I’ve done that and the ate up is just how I want it for personal use so going to give organic a try it will have to come from a bottle as I’m low on space here but I’ll find a decent organic nuittrient
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It’s a shame I don’t have the room for sorting soil out and such!
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Inkerman84 said:
Now is that from experience?
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No because I would never spend $30 a liter for the stuff to try out. I believe in plant science and balanced nutrition not the marketing fluff from some company trying to sell me a product.

I don't need to try it to know it's not going to grow better weed than anything I'm already using that costs a fraction of the price. Just what kind of magical ingredients do you think it has in it?

It's just alfalfa, guano, fish meal, and sulfate of potash.
 
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Phytoplankton

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While organic nutes do offer advantages, better taste is not one of them. The nutes plants absorb, whether organic or synthetic, are exactly the same. The difference being organic nutes are made accessable to the plant by microcrobes in the soil, while synthetic nutes are bound with a chelating agent that dissasociates into the nute and a salt when mixed with water. The major advantage to organic is you don't have to flush salt build ups.
 
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Inkerman84

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xtsho said:
No because I would never spend $30 a liter for the stuff to try out. I believe in plant science and balanced nutrition not the marketing fluff from some company trying to sell me a product.

I don't need to try it to know it's not going to grow better weed than anything I'm already using that costs a fraction of the price. Just what kind of magical ingredients do you think it has in it?

It's just alfalfa, guano, fish meal, and sulfate of potash.
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Mate I couldn’t care less what your doing I simply asked for opinions on good nutrients not a lesson from you how arrogant can you be to offer up an opinion on something you hadn’t tried I’m not interested in your method ok I was asking for opinions on good bottled nuits simple end of story
 
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Inkerman84

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weedstoner420 said:
Organic growing can be seriously simple and still give great results, even with no liquid nutes. I'm going to second checking out @swedsteven 's recent posts in the Gaia Green thread, although there are many brands that make similar organic dry fertilizer blends which can be used in the same way you would use the Gaia.

For example, you could start with just 4 things:

- Peat or coco (whichever is more available to you, either will work)
- Aeration (perlite/pumice/etc, again your choice)
- Compost (or worm castings)
- Dry fertilizer blend (Gaia, Dr Earth, Espoma, etc, whatever is available at the local garden center and geared towards veggie gardening, with NPK values between 3 and 6-ish)

Mix the first 3 things in roughly equal amounts. That is your base. Then mix in about 2 cups of the dry fertilizer blend for every cubic foot (~30 liters) of base.

If you grow in larger containers (10-15 gallons/40-60 liters) you can probably just use that mix and add only water for the life of the plant. If you go with a smaller container you will probably need to top-dress with additional fertilizer periodically.

Cannabis growers (and nutrient manufacturers) love to overcomplicate things. Here is a plant I harvested recently, using a mix similar to what I described above. I top-dressed once during flower, but judging by how dark green the leaves were I don't think that was even necessary. Other than that, I just watered (plain tap water) and watched it grow. Vegged for 4 weeks, flowered for 12, in a ~11 gallon planter box.
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Plant looks lovely
 
weedstoner420

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Inkerman84 said:
Plant looks lovely
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Thanks muchly!

I struggled with drain-to-waste with liquid ferts for my first couple grows, before switching to organic with dry amendments (mostly. I still keep some fish emulsion and liquid kelp on hand for moms or vegging plants in small containers). I just couldn't get the hang of the liquid feeds, and got tired of mixing and pH'ing all the time. Suffice to say I'm pretty happy with the organic/water only approach. I basically follow the instructions on the bag and somehow it works out.
 
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