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[Isthisnametaken]

I do allot of hiking around my cabin up in bishop then i just got some Books for hiking trails and waterfalls to go check out around here


JD is always nice

I'm going to go look for that book at REI or Sports Chalet. Looks awesome.

Hows the plants coming? When you gonna get some more into flower?

 

[Hulk Nugs]

I'm going to go look for that book at REI or Sports Chalet. Looks awesome.

Hows the plants coming? When you gonna get some more into flower?

Right now i have nothing growing........My first harvest has been over a month now of curing and thats all i am smoking to save money, every once in awhile i get a 8th of some good shit from the clinics. I have my Afkush and unknown from the veg room curing right now and dam smells so much better then the first batch, the Afkush smells like its going to be good.

I am changing things around in my rooms making some changes but been busy so the rooms are on hold for now, i am hoping to get back to work on them before the months over. Then bam, clones and i am back farming cant wait.

 

[Hulk Nugs]

Alright i have been spending the last few days trying to cut this big vase, so i can make a cooltube for my 600 mh fat bulb.

I finally got the bottom cut took some patience and reading but i found out glass is supper easy to cut if you put it in water. If your cutting a flat piece of glass it can even be cut with scissors. Since i was cutting a round vase i used the normal glass cutting tool first got a nice score in it but after trying and trying no luck. I then went and checked the dremel tools thinking they might have some diamond tools that should work on glass. Found exactly what i was looking for two tools diamond one pick and one wheel. After filling my ice chest full of water i placed the vase in got as much air out as possible then at a low to moderate speed i used my diamond wheel, i just fallowed the score from the first tool i used went over it a few times then POP the bottom came off.

I am so happy, the job is not done yet i still have to make my cooltube but at least i have my glass piece now that can fit my 600mhbulb. Work can start again on the rooms i thought i was going to have them done by now grrr

 

[jigfresh]

Good work man. I've never tried to cut a piece of glass and not have it break. Way to make what you have work.

Happy 4th bro.

 

[Isthisnametaken]

Good work man. I've never tried to cut a piece of glass and not have it break. Way to make what you have work.

Happy 4th bro.

Yeah nice job man. Bet that was pretty nerve racking.

 

[Hulk Nugs]

Thanks guys rips for everyone

 

[Hulk Nugs]

I am doing my second grow, My First Grow was going alright then i had really bad heat probelms. Started my first grow with out RIU since i have found this web site i have learned so much. I have been smoking my first grow for a while now does not taste the best but does the job, i just used bag seed for my first grow.

Now i am looking into my second grow and want to get some good info and find a nice strian to grow. I know its going to be hard to even find a clone after i figure out what strains i will be going with. Was looking into getting 6 plants so 2 sativa 2 hybrid and 2 indica. I would love to be able to try my hand at Blue Dream.

So yea throw some good strains at me i know there is thousands trying to narrow it down. Thanks for all the help !!!!


This is what Hobbes hooked me up with got me going down a better way of asking, thanks agiank Hobbes.

Nugs we need to know your grow set up and the effects you want. Give these a read, if you can narrow down your criteria a bit we'll be able to do you better than just tossing out random names.

Setup basics

- what are the height and floor dimensions?
- Can you get it completely** dark for 12 hours?
- Can you vent the heat from the light out of the grow room?
- What equipment do you have? Light wattage?

**to see if your flower room is completely dark sit in it with a vaporizer or joint for 15 - 30 minutes. Your eyes will adjust and what you thought was complete dark may be navigable by sight. You'll probably find light leaks to block.

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Effects wanted

This excerpt of a DJ Short article gives a great breakdown of the areas of effect we want from bud.

DJ Short

The first spectrum to consider is the "up and down". "Up" refers to the stimulating aspects of cannabis, while "down" refers to sedative qualities. Up pot tends to liven the disposition and stimulate the emotions, inspiring sociability and talkativeness. Down pot tends to produce sedative and depressant effects. Some people refer to stimulating pot as being a "head" high and sedative pot as being a "body" high, yet although partially true this is also misleading.

Body and head highs are the next spectrum of the cannabis experience. Generally speaking, head highs are stimulating and body highs are sedative, but not all are. Some body highs are stimulating and some head highs are depressing. I once sampled a terribly paranoia-inducing head pot that inspired great couch lock qualities. I called it Boo-Goo.

Early to late harvest will affect the head to body spectrum expressed by a certain plant, with the later harvest tending to produce more body and sedative effects. However, I believe that certain aspects of this spectrum to be genetically inherited.

Next to consider are aspects of duration. Some cannabis tends to be short-acting (15-30min) whereas other varieties last much longer (6-7 hours). Once again production, harvesting and curing techniques can influence aspects of this spectrum, but much of this effect is inherited.

For me, the most important aspect of the cannabis experience to consider is tolerance. This refers to the product's ability to provide the same experience via the same amount over time – the burnout factor. By "over time" I mean the long run: months, years, decades...

Most of the cannabis I see on the market today has a terrible tolerance factor – a quick burnout time with the product's novelty lasting less than a week. Luther Burbank's model of breeding needs to be employed here and no expression of tolerance to your product is to be tolerated. An example of where intolerance to tolerance is tolerated – enough already!

Another aspect of tolerance is "ceiling." This refers to how high (or far) one is capable of going with the variety. How many hits can you consume until more hits are unnoticeable? Most indicas have a low ceiling of less than 10 hits. For me that's usually around 5 hits in one smoking session. If I smoke more than 5 hits of a strong indica I will either not notice the post-ceiling hits, or I will fall asleep.

Some sativas have a very high ceiling, or seem to have none at all! This means that the more you consume, the higher and further you go. Oaxaca Highland Gold, Black Magic African, and Highland Thai were some of the herbs I've tried with very high or no ceiling.

The final aspect of mental effects to consider when sampling strains for breeding is the tendency to produce anxiety. Certain strains of cannabis increase anxiety while others decrease it. This is also true for other emotions, which some strains may suppress while others may augment their intensity. Generally stimulating and head varieties are the ones that can produce unwanted anxiety, but this is not always the case. Quickly cured buds or an over-early harvest are contributing factors to anxiety-increasing pot, but this trait is also genetic in nature.

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And here's how a strain would match up with DJ's criteria.

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Bubblegum - Serious Seeds

Spectrum of Experience


1. Onset: fast effect or creeper. creeper 1 2 3 4 5 fast

3 to 3.5 - I start to feel it fast, sometimes a lightness in the head while holding the inhale. Most of the effects start within a couple of minutes and build. It takes me 15 minutes to go through a Volcano bag.

2. Up (stimulating) and Down (sedative)

Up.

- Liven the disposition and stimulate the emotions:

Mood elevator. A lightness of being. Great for hiking the beach/woods with an I-inhale or just sitting alone.

Inspiring sociability and talkativeness:

I'm usually very solitary and Bubblegum makes people tolerable to be around and still leaves me sharp enough to make fun of them and deliver some cutting insults.

Sedative and depressant effects:

None that I notice, even on the come down which is mild.


3. Head High / Body Stone: - Head high
Energizing - yes
Motivating - yes
Couch lock - no

Bubblegum releases you to do the things you want, but doesn't drive you to do them with uncontrollable urges.

4. Emotional State Caused
Anxiety - no
Euphoria - yes, but controllable euphoria.
Calm - yes
paranoia - no

5. Body - medicinal effects
Nausea - mild help
Pain - not known
Seizures - not known
Back - not known

6. Head - medicinal effects
Depression - very good helping depression while leaving functional
Mania - have not had the pleasure of finding out. Yet.
Anxiety - good
Antisocial - makes people tolerable for short periods
Anger - fucken right I get angry but the Bubblegum doesn't help me get angrier!

7. Ceiling: How high (of far) one is capable of going with the variety. How many hits can be consumed until more hits are unnoticeable.

I'm noticing a ceiling but I'll check with my buddy next time he's up. If I can get him to keep hitting the Volcano.

8. Potency: weak 1 2 3 4 5 strong

More potent than Big Laughing, not as potent as Kali Mist. 3.5

9. Duration short 1 2 3 4 5 long

Maybe an hour.

10. Tolerance: ability to provide the same experience via the same amount over time – the burnout factor. "Over time" means the long run: months, years, decades...

Not known.

11. Taste

Bazoka Joe, sports card gum, that pink gum that comes like a Tootsie roll. The lightest hint of icing sugar, pink gum sweetness.

 

[Hulk Nugs]

Two rooms

Veg Room:
2ft x 2ft x 7ft6inchs....i will be using 4ft8inchs for the plants, theres 1ft6inchs on top for ballest, ducing, and storage and 1ft2inchs under the plants for ducing, and storage.

The room is light proof completely light proof, i have spent allot of time in side the room with the lights on outside then put some lights inside and checked from the outside, still working on the room a little more to go then i can start on the flower room.

Since my first grow, i found this great site and learned allot so now i have a DIY 6inch cooltube all setup ready to work, just not sure if my fan is big enough for a 600 watt MH we will find out

I will be using a DIY 8 site 2 gallon aero bucket for my fresh cut clones
Rooted clones they will go into a DIY ebbaflow 4inch square pots with pellets
All under a 600 watt Big Bulb MH cooltube

Flower Room:
2ft x 2ft x 7ft6inchs

The room is light proof completely light proof, i have spent allot of time in side the room with the lights on outside then put some lights inside and checked from the outside

Lights will be DIY 4inch cooltubes, last grow i only had a 400wat hps no cooltube, so this time around i will be using my 250mh bulb that i had just sitting around, still have to my a DIY ballest for it and my 400wat hps

I have a Megagarden System from hydrofarm that i can fit my 6 plants in there with plently of room. the pots from the veg diy ebbaflow will go into the megagarden after three weeks or 8 inchs, (thats just a guess)
Light Total will be 650 wats (400HPS,250MH)


Ok so what kind of High do i want

I like both Body and Head highs, just needs to be a upper for the day then a downer for night, i like to be up more then down though. If i could get a 6 hour high dam i would be so happy, over the years shit i barley feel it after a hour if i am lucky! I have plenty of anxiety already so i dont need anymore so NO ANXIETY. I do love feeling my hits when i take them not 10 mins later so if i can get a fast effect that be super!!!

Well i hope thats enough info to help narrow down what i am looking for, any other questions feel free to ask, thanks agian for the help !!

 

[jigfresh]

Good luck trying to find clones... but if you want suggestions:

I love Sour Diesel... think it's the best up hybrid for me.

You know Blue Dream is great... I want to smoke that again.

Maybe OG Kush as well... I'm sure you could find those clones around.

Not having smoked a good variety before I didn't realise, but my Hindu Skunk is pretty damn wild. You might try that as the indica. You really should try my stuff.

Anyways, you shold also really think about getting clones where I get them. I know it's a drive for you, but it can't be longer than I drive to get there. Here's the link again. They are short on clone strains at the moment... they usually have 4 or 5 more to choose from. $11 a peice.

http://www.lamedicalmarijuana.com/selection.html

They have green crack a lot... don't know if you like that smoke.

 

[jigfresh]

Here's pics of the ballast kit I have.

This is the 250w MH. The 400w HPS is pretty much the same, just a little bigger and it has one more plastic cyliner connected to it.

All you need is the kit, a socket, and a power cord (cut extension cord - 3 prong).

First pic is the whole thing. Second is a closeup of the connection to the power cord. Note the ground wire from the cord hooks to the body of the ballast (so you don't get shocked). Third pictue shows the ends that hook to the socket. Last picture shows the label with the wiring diagram on it... so you know how to hook it up.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

 

[Hulk Nugs]

thanks jig man always there to help me out...


..... yea and thanks to WEEDTRACKER search i found a few places with Blue Dream clones so i am checking out the other strains they have.... i dont really want to drive to three different places to get clones but if i have to i will....... woo hoo i feel like a little kid looking for my clones


I have tried a few different strains but dont remeber what they all were like besides blue dream wont forget my first hit of that dam good times and then i had a good batch of GDP one time loved it omg

i just got me some more bluedream hahaha every time i see it i get it but still does not hit like the first time dam tolerance

 

[Hulk Nugs]

Alright i have been using a 600 wat mh for my veg room and the temp is always killing me i am about to start a new grow and was looking into buying a 250 mh ballest to ad to my flower room,

I would rather buy some T5 or 8 florecents for my veg room and just take my ballast i am using for my 600 wat mh and throw it in my flower room for my 250mh

So can this be done ?????? on my ballast it says it can be used for a 400 wat mh or a 1000 wat mh...... and my boy said it would be fine for a 600mh ......so will it be fine for a 250 mh ??


Thanks for all the help!!

If you need any more info or have a question let me know.

 

[Isthisnametaken]

I would try and get some more information on the subject. To me it seems like a ballast has to have a switch to change voltages like that. If your ballast doesn't have a switch or setting for 600 amp then you might have a problem?

I'm not an electrician by any means, but that sounds a little weird.

Set-up is looking good!

 

[Hulk Nugs]

I would try and get some more information on the subject. To me it seems like a ballast has to have a switch to change voltages like that. If your ballast doesn't have a switch or setting for 600 amp then you might have a problem?

I'm not an electrician by any means, but that sounds a little weird.

Set-up is looking good!

Thanks man, i have been working little by little i dont want to have to do it agian

I got the ballast and the bulb from the same hydro store so i wouldnt think they would stear me wrong but i wish they would have told me to go with a cooltube and a thin 600 bulb instead of fatboy bulb oh well live and learn


I want to get back into growing so i am trying to figure out how to setup my new rooms with there lights.

Just thinking about it, i can always just throw the 600 mh blub in flowering room and that will give me 400watHPS and 600 wat MH so 1000 wats total for a 2x2 hmmm would that be to much ???

 

[Isthisnametaken]

No I wouldn't say too much, just throw in more plants if possible. And if your having heat problems I would most definitely go with florescents. They work really well in my veg area. Check out the floro flood lamps at home depot, they come with a 6500 kelvin rating bulb and are super bright.

 

[jigfresh]

Hulk.... that ballast thing sounds kinda shady. You should look up the "ask me anything... I'm an electrician" thread on here. There is one or two.

1000w in 2x2 is a lot, but if you can keep it cool I don't think it's a waste. But you may be getting close to overdoing it.

You saw how well the t8/ t5's I got worked. I mean it definitely not the same as a 600w mh, but they grow nice plants. I love my pk's and they were mostly flouro grown.

HANG ON... I'm totally confused. I just looked and I can't find a 600w MH bulb, or ballast. It looks like most mh ballasts are either 400w or 1000w. Strange.

Last thing.... bulbs are cheap man... why not just order a skinny bulb. Here's a link to a 400w MH for $8... less than $20 shipped to your house. LINK

 

[Hulk Nugs]

Hulk.... that ballast thing sounds kinda shady. You should look up the "ask me anything... I'm an electrician" thread on here. There is one or two.

1000w in 2x2 is a lot, but if you can keep it cool I don't think it's a waste. But you may be getting close to overdoing it.

You saw how well the t8/ t5's I got worked. I mean it definitely not the same as a 600w mh, but they grow nice plants. I love my pk's and they were mostly flouro grown.

HANG ON... I'm totally confused. I just looked and I can't find a 600w MH bulb, or ballast. It looks like most mh ballasts are either 400w or 1000w. Strange.

Last thing.... bulbs are cheap man... why not just order a skinny bulb. Here's a link to a 400w MH for $8... less than $20 shipped to your house. LINK

Thats what i have been looking up ...... i just sat back took a nice rip and just put in my head what do i really need and what do i have.

I came up with i already got my ballast cooltube setup in the veg room so just need a blub that will fit and not get so hot (i am thinking the 400wMH is going to be cooler then the 600) then in my Flower room i want to add a new light, so it can be the 250MH bulb that i have had and never used just need to get a 250MH Ballast, i can go with the KIT, or I have found some online from 100+shipping or can go down to my local shop and get a Dig. 250MH Ballast for $140

OR

I can go with the 400wMH cooltube (from the veg room) after i get the bulb and put it in the Flower room with the 400wHPS cooltube so i would have 800wats cooltubed in the flower room, then i would need to get some Florescent for the veg room.

Witch would you do if this was your setup, just getting some ideas in the end i will go with what i want .

Getting a 400wat MH bulb, what i found to choose from are These Bulbs and some more on other links just been reading some threads and i dont know if i just dont understand but i am not ready what makes a great bulb.

I see the bulbs from $8 to $100. Jig man showed me a $8 400wMH shit nice price but how good is the bulb, then i can find a 400wmh for $100 bucks lmao i am hoping the more expensive one will do a better job but do i really need to spend that much. so this is what i was thinking of picking from These Bulbs same link as above.

I was just doing some pricing out and if i put the 250 in the flower and the 400 in the veg ..... or ... the 400 in the flower and the florescent in the veg either way i go its around the same price!

Dam hope some of you are still around did allot of rambling on in there tried to go back and fix it lmao still might not make since to all so if you have any questions feel free to ask or yell at me (like wtf are your thinking) Thanks Jigfresh and Isthisnametaken

 

[Hulk Nugs]

No I wouldn't say too much, just throw in more plants if possible. And if your having heat problems I would most definitely go with florescents. They work really well in my veg area. Check out the floro flood lamps at home depot, they come with a 6500 kelvin rating bulb and are super bright.

Hey man i was checking out Home Depots website nothing came up that i could find for that kind of light ....

... but i did find somthing like your talking about on another site ... is this what your talking about ?? Eco Plus Compact Fluorescent Lamps


Edit: still looking but cant find the nice veg light you have if you can find it throw me the link i might just get that trying to get things priced out. I believe they were like 60 a piece or around there. Thanks agian man

 

[jigfresh]

Hey bro. All I can speak on is my experience... and for my grow I used a $40 - 400w hps and a $11 - 250w mh. Those were the bulbs. Oh... and also, I had a $40 - 400w mh conversion. So I'm sure that the expensive bulbs do make some difference. You can still do it great for cheap. My next grow I'm looking at $15 and $20 for my vertical bulbs.

Also, home depot and lowes both don't have 1/3 of the stuff they have in the stores online... and they also don't have half the stuff online in the stores.

 

[Hulk Nugs]

Hey bro. All I can speak on is my experience... and for my grow I used a $40 - 400w hps and a $11 - 250w mh. Those were the bulbs. Oh... and also, I had a $40 - 400w mh conversion. So I'm sure that the expensive bulbs do make some difference. You can still do it great for cheap. My next grow I'm looking at $15 and $20 for my vertical bulbs.

Also, home depot and lowes both don't have 1/3 of the stuff they have in the stores online... and they also don't have half the stuff online in the stores.

your right man your grows turned out great i am trying not to get the best witch is going to cost me so i am looking mid range somthing around 40 or 60

grrr dam homedepot some times ...... i hear you there man, there website and the stores dont match up, even store to store some have more shit then others ......... never try and return somthing you got online at the store waste of time.

mornings awww


GOOOOD MORNING RIU.