hom36rown
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Well, perhaps, by jrh's avatar, we can assume he is a nihilist...in which case he believes that morality does not exist.
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jrh72582
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I believe (personal opinion) the brain in a vat theory to have been properly disposed of. The only option for a scripted theory is a god or higher reality. If you believe in higher reality, then sure, free will may be an illusion.Free will is an illusion
If you're a determinist, then I wonder, what determines us?
londonfog
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If you don't want healthcare don't get it...Its not mandatory...you just don't have to get...get sick and then die ...thats all you have to do ...How do you figure the healthcare will be mandatory???? if you don't want it don't get it...simple
jrh72582
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No, my pet peeve (and I say this quite strongly) is when Nietzsche is interpreted as a nihilist (no offense to you obviously). Let me explain. A nihilist believes in no ontology - no higher truth, order, or governance. Nietzsche states quite clearly that he believes in will - the will to power. Everything exercises a will to become more powerful - to exert power. This is an ontology - a belief system.
So when I teach Nietzsche (which is often), on the first day, I make a list of what Nietzsche was not:
He was not a nazi
He was not a homosexual
He was not a nihilist
He was not a misogynist.
He was merely an equal opportunity critic.
And I do find his ideas on master/slave morality fascinating. He's one of my favorite philosophers. I like that you're interested in these sorts of questions. The beauty of philosophy is that's all up in the air.
jrh72582
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Number one: the government will NOT force healthcare upon you. Take it if you want; if not, leave it.
Two: governments always use force. You actually are forced to do a lot in virtue of you living here and prospering here. So why are you so concerned with healthcare, which isn't a force. It's an option.
Rob Roy
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So should one person or persons (gov't)make a person that harms nobody comply with an edict using force? Are you okay with that?
Universal healthcare in no way impinges?
Okay. Why do they have to make it mandatory then?
hom36rown
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You should take a gander at my free will is an illusion thread. https://www.rollitup.org/spirituality-sexuality-philosophy/234706-free-will-illusion.html
hom36rown
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I see, good to know.
jrh72582
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The bill hasn't even passed yet, so how do you know that healthcare will be mandatory? If it is, add it to the list of everything else. At least you don't HAVE To participate. They cannot force something like healthcare on you.
Now taxes are forced. Laws are forced (some of which are victimless). Why are you so upset at healthcare? If someone wants to take my wallet, yeah, it's a big deal. If someone wants to give me a massage, then I'll oblige.
Rob Roy
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If somebody wants ME to pay for your massage, then I object. If somebody wants to give me a massage when I don't want one then I object. If somebody wants to make me have the massage anyway and tell me it's for my own good, then I say, you decide what's good for you, I will decide what's good for me.
Is this not a good way to be?
londonfog
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Do you object to other ways your tax dollars are spent ???? You really don't like the idea of having healthcare for all american citizens??? Is everyone in your family insured??? not just your immediate family..I'm talking cousins and inlaws too....Just asking
Rob Roy
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If every kid wanted a pony is that a right?
I object to lots of things taxes pay for, like government sponsored murder for instance.
What I don't like is the idea that some people can't accept that they should have no say in how I live my life nor me in theirs. You're not recgnizing this very simple concept - government can only give you smething it has taken from somebody else.
Healthcare for you is your business. I think it would be great if everyone's life was better. Your goal of improving lives is great, your method of taking away people's choices is horrible.
londonfog
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We are not talking about a pony we talking about healthcare please try to stick to topic you talking about a pony is not a good example..The Preamble of the Constitution states this :
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility , provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare , and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity , do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Our goverment adding healthcare for the citizens promotes for the general welfare of citizens...but again if you don't want it you don't have to get it..and can you give me a breakdown of cent by cent what YOUR tax dollars go to now..NO...so why bytch about something that at least you or someone in your family could use. Some Americans ...geeezzzzz
Johnnyorganic
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How is socializing 1/6 of our economy promoting the general welfare?
How will rationing promote the general welfare?
How does providing an entitlement to illegal aliens promote the general welfare?
How does further expanding the deficit promote the general welfare? Don't respond with 'George Bush' again. He ain't the President. PresBO has already dwarfed Bush's deficit expansion. The so-called stimulus by itself quadrupled the deficit.
It seems like tort reform should be a big part of any major health care overhaul, but it is not. Is not curtailing lawsuit abuse promoting the general welfare?
How will rationing promote the general welfare?
How does providing an entitlement to illegal aliens promote the general welfare?
How does further expanding the deficit promote the general welfare? Don't respond with 'George Bush' again. He ain't the President. PresBO has already dwarfed Bush's deficit expansion. The so-called stimulus by itself quadrupled the deficit.
It seems like tort reform should be a big part of any major health care overhaul, but it is not. Is not curtailing lawsuit abuse promoting the general welfare?
Johnnyorganic
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what was one of obamas biggest campaign promises?
NOT to raise taxes on the middle class
so.... who is paying for obamacare again?
oh..... the middle class...
the man lied
NOT to raise taxes on the middle class
so.... who is paying for obamacare again?
oh..... the middle class...
the man lied
jrh72582
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WHAT! He NEVER, I repeat NEVER raised taxes on the middle class. I'm not even a fan of the guy, but I can admit this. In fact, I get $13 more a paycheck now due to the TAX CUT that he signed into law.
Geez....
