Justified?

[NLXSK1]

I am pretty sure the border patrol agent was watching for the rocks thrown rather than trying to figure out exactly how old the teenager that was throwing the rocks was.

The pro-illegal immigration people want to pose this like it was a 12 year old hispanic boy on his way back from Catholic school who happened to accidentally kick a pebble that rolled toward an America border patrol agent 1000 feet away and was brutally gunned down by said agent.

It didnt happen that way....

The kid and he was a kid, had a prior record of crossing the border illegally and helping other people cross the border illegally. He was at the border likely to commit another crime before he actually committed the crime of throwing rocks at the border patrol agent who was in the process of legally apprehending another illegal immigrant.

Be angry at the federal government who has turned its back on the states for its own political gain. And dont just point fingers at the Republicans or Democrats because both of them have been guilty of this for decades.

Until we lock down the border and implement a logical and fair immigration policy and temporary worker permits with a serious crack down on businesses that hire illegals then more people are going to continue to die on both sides of the issue. Tying the hands of the border patrol and putting them more at risk doing their jobs is not going to solve anything.

 

[NoDrama]

Thing is, you cannot keep them out no matter how many things you do, no matter how many border guards you put up, no matter how high the fence. You have to remove the incentive to come here. If the government shut down every socialistic program, ended welfare and food stamps and cut funding to schools, well you might see less illegals here then.

 

[fdd2blk]

yep and illegals can't get jobs, or get services, or welfare becasue they are illegal right?

You don't suppose that border patrol is unable to tell the difference between a 15 year old and a 50 year old without ID do you?

is that your final answer?

 

[knowing]

no the border patrol guard was NOT in danger.

if the police were justified in using lethal force everytime rocks were thrown at them, there would be hundreds of deaths a year in the US from drunk folks going home after sports games. i've never left a home-game where the home team won, and NOT seen drunk-ass people throw rocks, bottles, flares, and more at cops....

i've never seen cops start shooting their fellow americans cause their being pelted with rocks...

i've seen americans shoot at foreign kids for fun too many times. videos of soldiers in iraq practicng shooting a 50 caliber rifle, shooting at local's herds of goats, videos of americans offering iraqui's food, then throwing it in the mud, laughing, border patrol agents killing kids running away...... then americans wonder why the rest of the world despises us.....


he shot and killed ACCROSS THE BORDER. the guy was already out of his jurisdiction, the kid was going BACK TO MEXICO!!!!!!

his job is to prevent people from entering the US, not chase them down all the way back to mexico and kill them.

if he would've let off a warning shot letting the kids know he's not playing.... but no. he just killed a mexican because he didn't care, because it was a stupid wetback trying to cross the border.

i hope that agent looses his job, looses his pension, and i hope a drunk illegal immigrant runs him over and kills him.... KARMA.

the kids were not running away and "GOING BACK TO MEXICO!" they turned and open fired on the bp officer with rocks/stones. was the officer supposed to stand there and take it? was he supposed to release the one mexican he had already detained and retreat? should he have curled up and protected his face and head? if your ignorant enough to throw rocks at an armed man then its only a matter of time before your shot and killed.

sources state this kid had been smuggling people into the U.S. once these bastards get into the U.S they survive by robbing and selling drugs, most become gang members. seeing as it is almost impossible for them to find a real job without a green card. whos to say that one of the people this kid smuggled into the U.S was not shooting and killing an innocent person for the paper in his or her wallet at that same exact moment. NOW THATS KARMA!

 

[ginjawarrior]

whos to say that one of the people this kid smuggled into the U.S was not shooting and killing an innocent person for the paper in his or her wallet at that same exact moment. NOW THATS KARMA!

making up an imaginary scenario to make yourself feel better about the kid isnt karma at all..

 

[Mindmelted]

And the worms ate into his brain.....

Don't Throw rocks,Not that hard of a life lesson really.

 

[UncleBuck]

sources state this kid had been smuggling people into the U.S. once these bastards get into the U.S they survive by robbing and selling drugs, most become gang members. seeing as it is almost impossible for them to find a real job without a green card. whos to say that one of the people this kid smuggled into the U.S was not shooting and killing an innocent person for the paper in his or her wallet at that same exact moment. NOW THATS KARMA!

MOST become gang members? not even remotely close to being true. in fact, that is a mega FAIL.

so what if the kid had committed 87,000 crimes? The BP agents had no way of knowing that at the time, so it is not relevant to this discussion.

again, this is not karma, this is an imaginary scenario you reconstructed in your head as an attempt to rationalize your opposing ideas. at least be honest with yourself, dude

 

[Keenly2]

throwing rocks at border patrol = bad

shooting some one because your butthurt some kid threw a rock at you = worse


making up scenarios (that dont even involve the person in question) in order to try and justify the killing of another = insanity

 

[bcbong92]

sources state this kid had been smuggling people into the U.S. once these bastards get into the U.S they survive by robbing and selling drugs, most become gang members. seeing as it is almost impossible for them to find a real job without a green card. whos to say that one of the people this kid smuggled into the U.S was not shooting and killing an innocent person for the paper in his or her wallet at that same exact moment. NOW THATS KARMA!

And thats complete ignorance, besides generally in most civilized places your supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, so ya don't just automatically assume mexicans are murderers or gang members as an excuse to execute a child who had committed a crime that would have generally resulted in an minor assault charge. And how about if some trigger happy swat team kicks down some growers house, with the next excuse being he had a long criminal past in illegal drugs, wouldn't look bad on paper.

 

[bcbong92]

"In late June, a motorist in
Western Michigan was hit by a water balloon thrown
from a car going in the opposite direction. The
impact shattered the windshield and sent the driver to
the hospital where over 200 shards of glass were
removed from his head and neck. Had his glasses not
protected his eyes, this man also could have sustained
more serious injury.

This would also far excede any velocity a person could throw so it is irrelevant, thats two vehicles driving in opposite directions probably combining to a speed of 120mph.

 

[GreatwhiteNorth]

because windshields are very tough and can take a fist sized one at 70MPH without a puncture

I was responding to the above quote, that states that at 70Mph a ROCK cannot penetrate an automobile windshield, pay attention.

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

Well...according to physics, if both cars hit each other at the exact same speed, say 60 mph, the resulting impact equals 60 mph, not 120 mph.

Mythbusters did a great test of that.

 

[bcbong92]

Well...according to physics, if both cars hit each other at the exact same speed, say 60 mph, the resulting impact equals 60 mph, not 120 mph.

Mythbusters did a great test of that.

Well ya can't get everything right when your baked writing on this crap haha, either way the main point was that it would be an exaggerated speed in comparison to the situation.

 

[knowing]

MOST become gang members? not even remotely close to being true. in fact, that is a mega FAIL.

so what if the kid had committed 87,000 crimes? The BP agents had no way of knowing that at the time, so it is not relevant to this discussion.

again, this is not karma, this is an imaginary scenario you reconstructed in your head as an attempt to rationalize your opposing ideas. at least be honest with yourself, dude

mega fail my ass. do not try to convince me of what ive witnessed with my own eyes to be untrue,, or a MEGA FAIL, your probably from canada and have no first hand experience on the subject. a lot of us do get out and see shit with our own eyes rather than sitting in doors on rollitup calling peoples posts "mega fails"..you shit ice cream bro?
also, it was a scenario, not to justify what happened, but to give people an idea. you live a fowl life and shit happens,,,what go's around comes around...im sure the scenario i created was not true.
go criticize another persons post with insults because i have no problem telling you to GO FCK YOURSELF! as i do not live for this forum like yourself and do not fear being banned.
ENJOY YOUR ICE CREAM

 

[knowing]

throwing rocks at border patrol = bad

shooting some one because your butthurt some kid threw a rock at you = worse


making up scenarios (that dont even involve the person in question) in order to try and justify the killing of another = insanity

did i end my post by saying that cop was justified in what he did? No.....it was food for thought..
I feel the bp officer over reacted. K.now u guys cant stop crying about my post

 

[fdd2blk]

i think they should shoot 10 more.

suck it.



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[UncleBuck]

mega fail my ass. do not try to convince me of what ive witnessed with my own eyes to be untrue,, or a MEGA FAIL, your probably from canada and have no first hand experience on the subject. a lot of us do get out and see shit with our own eyes rather than sitting in doors on rollitup calling peoples posts "mega fails"..you shit ice cream bro?
also, it was a scenario, not to justify what happened, but to give people an idea. you live a fowl life and shit happens,,,what go's around comes around...im sure the scenario i created was not true.
go criticize another persons post with insults because i have no problem telling you to GO FCK YOURSELF! as i do not live for this forum like yourself and do not fear being banned.
ENJOY YOUR ICE CREAM

OK, let's calm down here skippy.

you said MOST illegals are criminals. considering the 12 million+ illegals, you need to go find me 6 million+ illegals who are also criminals. it is an absurd statement that you back up with not a single shred of evidence, besides your STELLAR eyewitness testimony. i reiterate, that your assertion was a MEGA FAIL. there is no other way to put it when someone makes an assertion that is not even remotely true.

most i know living a FOWL life are sitting in ponds and begging the old man on the bench for bread.

and yes, i DO shit ice cream. can i interest you in a double scoop?

 

[UncleBuck]

i think they should shoot 10 more.

suck it.

your town is so crowded with illegals, why don't you put your money where your mouth is and start there?

i have seen you advocate invading mexico, bombing it, and sniping the border....positions way too fringe to take seriously. so i will simply ask....really? really?

 

[knowing]

find me 6 million plus that are not criminals...you have no evidence,,what have you seen? nothing..your talking out your ass,,,again..keep your scoops of bullshit..your not always right..and you really have no idea wtf your talking about..come to my neck of the woods and let myself and my mexican gangster neighbors enlighten you..you really are ignorant.

 

[UncleBuck]

find me 6 million plus that are not criminals...you have no evidence,,what have you seen? nothing..your talking out your ass,,,again..keep your scoops of bullshit..your not always right..and you really have no idea wtf your talking about..come to my neck of the woods and let myself and my mexican gangster neighbors enlighten you..you really are ignorant.

oh noes, i is ignorance!

good luck trying to justify that the majority of illegals are slinging, or killing, or gangstering....whatever it is you think they are chest deep in. they are not. you are wrong. you are not the only one to ever live in a border state.

you have two roads you can go down from here:

1) modify your original statement to somehting like...'a lot of illegals are doing criminal shit'

or

2) admit you are wrong

but in any case, you will never find a single statistic that supports your claim that 50% or more of illegals are anything but otherwise law abiding citizens. your move.