Mendocino raid

d.s.m.

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REDWOOD VALLEY – The U.S. drug agents' vehicles rumbled past vineyards and cattle ranches, traversed winding roads through oak woodlands and cleared a gate marked with a sign: "Member, Mendocino Farm Bureau."

Camouflaged and heavily armed, Drug Enforcement Administration officers brought a battering ram to the door of Matthew Cohen and a chain saw to cut down his 99 marijuana plants earlier this month.
Read the rest here: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/10/30/4017018/mendocino-pot-raid-causes-stir.html

Here's a guy doing his absolute best to be in compliance, in fact a model of compliance, and the fucking bullies choose him to make an example of. Sickening.
 

growsolo

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Good catch, good read, thank you for posting this. The comments are very telling with the exception of some doosh who wants all growers busted.
 

collective gardener

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What a fucking shame.

But, as my lawyer has said, "you can't be an activist AND a grower...you grow, I'll be the activist."

The real sad part is that this farm was the best chance Nor Cal had at getting out of the woods. This raid set back any real legalization 5 years+. Once again, the Feds show that they have ZERO detective skills. They just go after who's right in front of them. All these folks worried about infared and electrical bills. These days, all they need to do is look for the activists growing. Damn shame.

Thanks DSM for the link.
 

d.s.m.

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Yeah, exactly, and I think this man was very carefully chosen as a target.

I mean, there is really no better way to strike fear into the hearts of all patient providers than to raid and rob at gunpoint a man that has a history of bending over backwards to be in compliance with all state and local laws.

Our Federal Government. Creepy jackbooted motherfucking thugs.

Thanks, Barack, and you're welcome for the vote, asshole. What, simply failing wasn't good enough for you?
 

NoGutsGrower

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Yeah, exactly, and I think this man was very carefully chosen as a target.

I mean, there is really no better way to strike fear into the hearts of all patient providers than to raid and rob at gunpoint a man that has a history of bending over backwards to be in compliance with all state and local laws.

Our Federal Government. Creepy jackbooted motherfucking thugs.

Thanks, Barack, and you're welcome for the vote, asshole. What, simply failing wasn't good enough for you?
That's why I vote republican! At least that way I expect the lies and don't get any false hope about the pot movement, I know they'll just shoot it down... Give it another 10 years and I'm sure it'll be different! Shitty old politicians will stop waking up from their naps!

[video=youtube;9CANN_Slof8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CANN_Slof8[/video]

how about californias own congresswoman napolitano of the 38th con. district...
NAPOLITANO-SLEEPING-OBAMA-STATE-UNION_0.jpg
http://napolitano.house.gov/

both of these two were at osama's.... Ooops... Obama's state of the union address. There's plenty more I just can't find the video right now... Lots of old fucks asleep and no one says shit!

My favorite it the longest serving Robery Byrd! A member of the Democratic Party, Byrd served as a U.S. Representative from 1953 until 1959 and as a U.S. Senator from 1959 to 2010!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd

Check him out! He created a new chapter of the KKK back in the 40's! His old ass was old enough to start a chapter of the KKK in the 40 but some how made it as the longest serving congressman, with huge influence over federal spending!

Sure he claimed to be part of the dem. party... but the democratic party of his day is very republican by today's standards! You wouldn't see a lefty now days supporting wars and starting chapters of the KKK!

Isn't our government great! Extreme racists, closet drug addicts, thief's, used car salesmen and the rest of the lot all run this place...
 

collective gardener

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I do not believe it was an accident that this busted farm was being looked at by other counties as a model for regulation. The zip ties were popular amoung many growers and law enforcement. It would seem the Feds were not a fan, though.

As I look into the actions (not talk) of the Federal Gov, it startes to become clear that they have no problem with black market weed dealing. Either that, or they're too lazy (or broke) to go after anyone who's not in plain sight. My attorney is convinced that there's something in the works with a select few corporations and the feds that needs time to flesh out. Bsically, there is some real money and power pole positioning itself to take the lion's share of the weed market when the time comes. He believes it's genetic copyrighting, Basically, Monsanto (or some other corp.) is aquiring landrace strains, and attempting to settup copyrighting docs that would embrace all strains derived from the basic few landrace strains. This could make weed legal, and then illegal for most of us, in one day. Yes, my lawyer is a bit of a nut. But, he knows his shit, follows marijuana law passionately, and far stranger things have happened. Anyways, not much happens in our fair country without some sort of corporate backing. Bet your ass that there is serious money behind this latest fed attack.
 

collective gardener

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I keep racking my brain to try and figure out the WHY. It is a fact that the Feds do not want any legal pot above a certain size level. They are going against the will of the people on this. There is a bunch of money to be made by someone by keeping it illegal for now. I used to think it was just the War on Drugs money. Well, they have had their budget hacked too. If there was ever a time to do away with an un popular policy, it is NOW. Yet, the Feds aren't even considering it. Why? The money is either made by leaving things like they are, or by legalizing at the right time...when certain people are ready. Theories?
 

Dan Kone

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I keep racking my brain to try and figure out the WHY. It is a fact that the Feds do not want any legal pot above a certain size level. They are going against the will of the people on this. There is a bunch of money to be made by someone by keeping it illegal for now. I used to think it was just the War on Drugs money. Well, they have had their budget hacked too. If there was ever a time to do away with an un popular policy, it is NOW. Yet, the Feds aren't even considering it. Why? The money is either made by leaving things like they are, or by legalizing at the right time...when certain people are ready. Theories?
During the health care battle first Obama was pushing for collectively bargaining for prescription drugs. Then he had a meeting with their lead lobbyists, and that idea was taken off the table entirely. Since then they have gotten everything they've wanted out of him. A deal was made. When Obama's campaign announced they were going to raise a billion dollars for the 2012 election, I don't think they pulled that number out of thin air. I think they had a pretty good idea about where that money is going to come from. This seems like one of the things they have to do for the pharmaceutical lobby to get financing.

That's the only thing that makes sense to me. I'd love to see some financial statistics on things like Vicodin sales over the last 5 years in California. That might make more sense out of this whole thing. Nothing else makes sense to me. MMJ polls at ~70% now nationally. Even higher in California. It's extremely popular. The only reason to act against popular opinion for a politician is a financial interest.

Sounds like a nutty conspiracy, I know. But it's the only thing that makes sense.
 

NoGutsGrower

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I keep racking my brain to try and figure out the WHY. It is a fact that the Feds do not want any legal pot above a certain size level. They are going against the will of the people on this. There is a bunch of money to be made by someone by keeping it illegal for now. I used to think it was just the War on Drugs money. Well, they have had their budget hacked too. If there was ever a time to do away with an un popular policy, it is NOW. Yet, the Feds aren't even considering it. Why? The money is either made by leaving things like they are, or by legalizing at the right time...when certain people are ready. Theories?
I think you got it pretty much spot on!
 

curious2garden

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Staff member
I keep racking my brain to try and figure out the WHY. It is a fact that the Feds do not want any legal pot above a certain size level. They are going against the will of the people on this. There is a bunch of money to be made by someone by keeping it illegal for now. I used to think it was just the War on Drugs money. Well, they have had their budget hacked too. If there was ever a time to do away with an un popular policy, it is NOW. Yet, the Feds aren't even considering it. Why? The money is either made by leaving things like they are, or by legalizing at the right time...when certain people are ready. Theories?
This is incredibly insightful and sadly true. Though unlike your attorney I do not believe it is one simple thing. I think it is part of a complex system of reasons. I think the changes we are seeing in Cannabis legislation in Amsterdam and Canada et. al. is all part of this. I do not believe they are coincidental or simple synchronicities.

Because of our communication systems, the internet, and increased transportation efficiency the borders in this world are blurring. Nationalistic feelings are no longer as important as they used to be and the world is becoming a more cohesive unit. Business, especially big business, to survive must be multinational and so addressing the cannabis issue will require a world wide coordinated effort. Of course big business realizes this and is attempting to corner the cannabis market.

Next how do you do a 180 degree turn from the previous legal structure? Especially when it threatens the support of the government? Most of the remaining 'business' of the US is jailing the other 1/2 of the US (that is an exaggeration but not far off). We have a gigantic prison industry, police, public health, probation etc..... These are probably the majority of, what is left of, the middle class in America.

To move to legalization will not be clean, easy or quick. I think California was/is a test and is a slow move in the de-criminalization direction. I think this is why the DEA/HHS chose not to de-schedule Marijuana. I think they are very close and as soon as big business gets it's ducks in a row we will see what it has planned for us. Then we will see the CSA (controlled substances act), changed and Marijuana re-scheduled. Until THAT happens Marijuana is an illegal drug for all intents and purposes in the US.

So the current schizophrenia between state legal and fed illegal is a perfect way to test and try things with the ability at anytime to step in and quash anybody who gets too successful so they might be able to, financially, challenge a DuPont, Dow or Monsanto. Further as long as Marijuana remains schedule 1 you can't really get the type of controlled, peer reviewed, scientific studies that prove precisely what Marijuana can do so this type of supression is necessary for those wishing to successfully sustain their financial positions while moving t consolidate their hold on the future of this drug.

So whenever any public positive trending threatens to turn into positive accurate scientific data the DEA steps in and quashes it. It's a balance to keep the current system stable.

As for the campaign promises of President Obama it is important to remember that the US is a triumvirate form of government. There is a legislative branch and an executive branch and the judicial branch. They are essentially a balancing act to keep any one person or group from having to much power. Therefore it is counterproductive to believe any one person/parties 'promises'. It also makes steering this ocean liner of a government something that can not turn on a dime.

So to simply sum up my thoughts big business will make sure that pot is legalized only when it is in their best financial interest to do so and it will be a long and complex journey to get to that point.

That's just my opinion and I sincerely hope I am very very wrong,
Annie
 

d.s.m.

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The money is either made by leaving things like they are, or by legalizing at the right time...when certain people are ready. Theories?
Here is the official White House response to the numerous petitions for legalization. Please make note of the one single word that is in italics.

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/response/what-we-have-say-about-legalizing-marijuana

Now, google Sativex. Here's the Wikipedia article to get you started, but there's a lot more out there for anyone inclined to do a little reading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sativex

Just a little food for thought.
 

collective gardener

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Well folks, the good news is that weed is not an easy thing to commercialize. I have operated grow ops to 40k, and managed grow ops to 200k. Once you get above 30-40k things start to get out of control. Quality goes down as the size goes up. Even with a "quality is #1 priority" attitude, it just happens. The more you have to depend on paid help, the harder it is to keep the quality up. It would not suprise me if Big Business is realizing this. It's not like we're dealing with beer here. It's alot closer to wine. I happen to approve of the California Wine Industry. There are a bunch of vinyards, and seemingly always room for another...IF the quality is there.

If we look WAY down the line we'll see the real money. Imagine California legally exporting weed to the world. Just chew on that number for a minute. How big is that number? 50 bil? 200 bil? ALOT. Enough to be worth all kinds of planning and bribing to ensure a big piece of the pie.

Here's some good news I found: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAc4N_drTXU
 
I was reading in another forum that the U.S. government actually has a patent on medical marijuana. Then there was another article in the USA Today that the government still supplies medical marijuana to a total of three people in the United States according to the article. I've read more pro-literature on the medicinal use of marijuan in these couple of months then I ever have. I really believe it's going to be legal within the next five years. As of now, there is a ton of money made to keep it illegal, unfortunately.

http://www.caller.com/news/2011/sep/28/4-americans-still-get-marijuana-us-government/?vm=r.

For anybody who wants to read the link. A very interesting article.
 

curious2garden

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Well folks, the good news is that weed is not an easy thing to commercialize. .....snip....
I believe that is precisely why the Government had the de-schedulization pending for 2 years. You see it was already proposed to drop Cannabis to a schedule 2 and the DEA & HHS held it in abeyance for at least 2 years. Finally when pushed to the wall they denied the change in the CSA because they weren't ready, yet.

Big business knows all to well that Cannabis is hard to do well commercially. They learned that with the Opium wars back in the early part of the 20th century when California produced the best opium in the world, precisely as we do Cannabis thanks to the very intelligent and dedicated growers. That's why, I believe, they are trying to do the same thing with Cannabis they did with Opium. That is precisely why we are seeing the chemical analogues being produced; Sativex, Marinol etc....

I think the way they propose to control is to not allow any growing within the US but only a chemical distilliation of one or possibly 2 of the high profile compounds. Marijuana and the good it could do will never really be known to the masses and huge business will remain in control.

I imagine that all Cannabis will come from agri-business controlled areas such as Afghanistan, Iraq etc.... It is certainly coincidental isn't it that our military had to go in there. As for quality, big pharmaceutical companies could not care less about quality. They care only about control and maintenance of their profits and I believe they will use the same model that they used with Opium -> Morphine. Opium was vilified but Morphine was the wonder drug of big pharma. If you look into it you will find that Opium contains many more natural alkaloids/terpenes than just mere morphine and were all part of the natural medicine that we are currently deprived of.

This was much harder to do back in the 30's when we weren't so conditioned to take these antiseptic little pill packages. But the fact none of this is remembered is why we aren't fighting as hard as we should. I'll bet this time there will be even less problem as people are so conditioned to paying for a script and getting some little white pills :( If you aren't one of the afflicted then you buy what big pharma and it's government shills peddle.

Sadly this has all been done before, and I am so sick and tired of being sick and tired and only hope that one day all the officious politicians who are simply shills for big business will get what they deserve when they deny us another god given form of natural medicine. But most of all, I pray, I am wrong and just being so terribly cynical because of all the pain. The best outcome would be the wine model and I hope for that system, really hope and support it, but wine was never vilified and people jailed on the scale they have been as for marijuana.
Annie
 

infrared

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But most of all, I pray, I am wrong and just being so terribly cynical because of all the pain. The best outcome would be the wine model and I hope for that system, really hope and support it, but wine was never vilified and people jailed on the scale they have been as for marijuana.
I too, hope you're just being cynical, Annie, and I hope Dan Kone's right, that we've reached critical mass for MMJ and now it's really up to us to support and mold it into a vital part of the California, nay, the US economy.
 

infrared

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Well folks, the good news is that weed is not an easy thing to commercialize. I have operated grow ops to 40k, and managed grow ops to 200k. Once you get above 30-40k things start to get out of control. Quality goes down as the size goes up. Even with a "quality is #1 priority" attitude, it just happens. The more you have to depend on paid help, the harder it is to keep the quality up. It would not suprise me if Big Business is realizing this. It's not like we're dealing with beer here. It's alot closer to wine. I happen to approve of the California Wine Industry. There are a bunch of vinyards, and seemingly always room for another...IF the quality is there.
I tried multi-quoting this with my 'other' reply above, but apparently the first part got stripped out, perhaps thanks to our good friend TOR

Anyway, I want to thank you for saying this, CG. I've been following your work from afar for a while and always thought you appeared to be a class act but this is now an example where you've helped me directly, impacting my thinking on this latest DEA 'problem' and leading my thoughts to a different perspective. Everyone's talking about the corrupted government and that cannot be understated, but to imagine a future where our state sees its cannabis industry thrive and set a standard for the rest of the country -- that's a powerfully positive narrative for the future.

Now we just gotta set to planning the transition between now and then ;)
 

Mcgician

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I do not believe it was an accident that this busted farm was being looked at by other counties as a model for regulation. The zip ties were popular amoung many growers and law enforcement. It would seem the Feds were not a fan, though.

As I look into the actions (not talk) of the Federal Gov, it startes to become clear that they have no problem with black market weed dealing. Either that, or they're too lazy (or broke) to go after anyone who's not in plain sight. My attorney is convinced that there's something in the works with a select few corporations and the feds that needs time to flesh out. Bsically, there is some real money and power pole positioning itself to take the lion's share of the weed market when the time comes. He believes it's genetic copyrighting, Basically, Monsanto (or some other corp.) is aquiring landrace strains, and attempting to settup copyrighting docs that would embrace all strains derived from the basic few landrace strains. This could make weed legal, and then illegal for most of us, in one day. Yes, my lawyer is a bit of a nut. But, he knows his shit, follows marijuana law passionately, and far stranger things have happened. Anyways, not much happens in our fair country without some sort of corporate backing. Bet your ass that there is serious money behind this latest fed attack.
Any chance you could give me the attorney's name? I'd love to have somebody that knowledgeable on my side as well. Thanks.
 
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