My Grows just ain't working...

[Pharoah]

basically the dude just dont want the grower SELLING him his 18 gram a day then selling any of the extra bud from his 90 plant crop on the streets/blackmarket i think thats what im getting from this thread i jus think pharoh is maybe wording it the wrong way or is a troll magnet lol noi serious the way u typed it dwn sounded like u are trying to put a lot of conditions on the way somebody helps u out which jus sounds bitchy thats why u got peeps actin like that G

Bingo, I'm not putting alot of conditions, I'm putting 1 stipulation, and that is, if I'm PAYING for my medicine, it's not to be sold to anyone but me (unless the DG has other patients as well of course), and only to the maximum of my 18/day.

In other words, I would prefer my DG to not go to jail because he was caught selling off extra grown product, which puts me right back here... DG'less.

Anyway, that's the last time I try to explain it, not that I even NEEDED to explain myself to anyone here...

 

[kpmarine]

Bingo, I'm not putting alot of conditions, I'm putting 1 stipulation, and that is, if I'm PAYING for my medicine, it's not to be sold to anyone but me (unless the DG has other patients as well of course), and only to the maximum of my 18/day.

In other words, I would prefer my DG to not go to jail because he was caught selling off extra grown product, which puts me right back here... DG'less.

Anyway, that's the last time I try to explain it, not that I even NEEDED to explain myself to anyone here...

You have two options, the way I see it. Put some time and effort into it again, and grow your own. Or, you can accept the fact that nobody is going to grow 80+ plans for you, just to give you 18g/day and chuck the rest. That's a wasted of literally thousands of dollars worth of resources, just to score you 1.2lbs a month. Especially at $2700/lb for the top shelf I'm sure you're expecting. You want someone to grow for you, then concessions must be made. Now, if you don't mind him doing whatever he does with the extra, provided you're not paying, then I'm sure you could find someone.

 

[eside]

i dont get this, 18g/day , does this mean that he smokes 18 grams per day ? If that is true then i can say that i dont smoke at all, this man is Snoop Dog for me

 

[racerboy71]

i dont get this, 18g/day , does this mean that he smokes 18 grams per day ? If that is true then i can say that i dont smoke at all, this man is Snoop Dog for me

i said the same, but i was told 18 / day doesn't mean he smokes it all, he said he eats some, smokes some, etc, etc, but still, i don't care if you stick it up your arse, 18 g's a day is still a lot of bud to me, not matter the way it's consumed..

 

[kpmarine]

i said the same, but i was told 18 / day doesn't mean he smokes it all, he said he eats some, smokes some, etc, etc, but still, i don't care if you stick it up your arse, 18 g's a day is still a lot of bud to me, not matter the way it's consumed..

He said he juices it too, that would explain alot of it.

 

[Pharoah]

Here's where the confusion is coming into play;

1) I'm not expecting someone to grow 88 plants, as when done right, 88 plants would not be required, by any stretch.

2) I'm looking to pay a price agreed upon, only if the DG is not selling extra yield.

3) I will not pay for it, only if the DG is selling off extra yield.

4) I have children, so I explore the least harmful methods of administrating my medicine, ie no smoke...


The sick part is, is someone will twist this around to me somehow being a bad parent for consuming so much pot.

 

[JJFOURTWENTY]

Just learn how to grow your own, making mistakes, successes, and setbacks along the way, like everyone else on here and don't ask for people to do all this shit for you.

As others have stated, a grow op of the magnitude you are asking for is UBER $$$. Anyone that has the means to do so is seriously laughing at your ridiculous proposal right now... in tears laughing....

 

[Pharoah]

Just learn how to grow your own, making mistakes, successes, and setbacks along the way, like everyone else on here and don't ask for people to do all this shit for you.

As others have stated, a grow op of the magnitude you are asking for is UBER $$$. Anyone that has the means to do so is seriously laughing at your ridiculous proposal right now... in tears laughing....

Read my most previous post, the one right before this one, check #1....


You all think it's ridiculous that I expect someone to grow 88 plants.


I THINK IT'S RIDICULOUS THAT YOU ALL SEEM TO THINK 88 PLANTS IN REQUIRED!!!


In other words, 5 plants when done right, can produce my medicine no problem. 88 plants is NOT needed, and for anyone to think I expect all 88 to be grown out is idiotic, and enjoys to try to put words in peoples mouths, as I have NEVER said that all 88 are required to be grown out...

 

[maximum]

Here Pharoh simple

You had offers at $5 gram. As long as you get your 18 grams and your seller isnt selling "your" dope and he offers proof and you also offer proof your not selling it then your fine. Goodluck with your search. The odds of you finding someone are slim. We all know its too much work for you to offer proof your not selling and the seller wont do the same neither.


I personally have no interest in working with you because your very ignorant about how things work on the growing end. You already have made absolutely ridiculous claims and your numbers are so far off its not even funny. Imagine the poor grower that gets stuck with you for a year and your idiotic rules which you wont even follow. Your brain is caught in a loop. You live in a country where you can actually access 18 grams a day of marijuana legally and your mad someone might make money off you. Hey man I worked on an oil rig up north in Alberta. I know what it costs to drill for oil. I even have get a check every month because we have some oil on our farm and it gets drilled. They put the equipment on my property. I get a small check each month. When they make 1000x more on it. You think Im bitching about them selling off the oil and giving me a small check? Nah, I can't afford to drill it myself. Cold hard reality man.

I think this would be more fair. The seller tells you about how many plants he will have to plant in order for you to get your 18 grams a day. Actually listen to the grower instead of fighting with them. Now, if there is extra YOU must buy it. If its under 18 grams, well shit happens and plants die or something goes wrong. So you either let the grower grow out extra just in case or take the chance at getting less. Why, because like you said its "your" plant. And if its all yours and you dont want "your" plants being sold then any extra YOU better buy. You have an 18 gram a day limit. Which means you can store over 4kg of marijuana. You can buy the extra legally with no problems. Every little bud that comes off those plants that are "yours", YOU pay for it. If I planted an extra plant just in case I lose one, and it yields "350 grams" (your numbers) then you better pay for those 350 grams. Because burning my hours of work when I could have grown out my own plant in that spot is a waste. Real estate in a grow room is a BIG DEAL.
Some more advice for you Pharoh. Get samples from any grower before you comit to anything. Ive seen growers with low quality shit and you dont want to be stuck with that for a year.

 

[Sir.Ganga]

i said the same, but i was told 18 / day doesn't mean he smokes it all, he said he eats some, smokes some, etc, etc, but still, i don't care if you stick it up your arse, 18 g's a day is still a lot of bud to me, not matter the way it's consumed..

Between my daily pills, morning juicin,edibles and candies I go through easiely 20-25g daily. Plus vapin on top so ya its not as hard as one thinks

 

[maximum]

Between my daily pills, morning juicin,edibles and candies I go through easiely 20-25g daily. Plus vapin on top so ya its not as hard as one thinks

I know people that use those amounts too. Like you said oils and juices. And I dont have a problem with him paying for his license. Its what most people have to do in Canada, sadly.

Its the other shit he was saying that rattled me but I dont want to even think about it I think I said everything I wanted too already.

 

[Pharoah]

I know people that use those amounts too. Like you said oils and juices. And I dont have a problem with him paying for his license. Its what most people have to do in Canada, sadly.

Its the other shit he was saying that rattled me but I dont want to even think about it I think I said everything I wanted too already.

You're rattled by your interpretation of what I said, combined with the many times you put words in my mouth.

I'm perfectly aware of these factors, and my math is not wrong, sorry to say. All those figures are very realistic should the individual have the means to produce it on that kind of level.

As for $5/g, please explain to me how that's even remotely justifiable for 18g/day... think about the BASIC math on this. Someone would be looking to charge me $2700/month for my meds, which is NOT AT ALL CHEAPER than I currently pay on the street.

How is that even remotely justified??? When I can get something on the street that exchanged a minimum of 3 hands, ALL earning profit, before it got to me... and someone who GROWS for me, exchanging ONLY 1 hand, not 3...

@ $5/g, that's approximately a 300-350% profit, which is IMO completely unreasonable. Is fine on a 5g/day usage, but not 10 or more, that's $90/day for me alone... do you realize people on fixed incomes don't even MAKE $90/day???


You're ideas on what's reasonable are completely unrealistic, and you should be ashamed of yourself if you have anyone you grow for that has the requirements I do, and still charge them a PER GRAM price that resembles STREET prices...


Let me put it this way, in terms of scenarios

Scenario 1: The DG grows only the amount required for the patient alone; The patient should pay an agreed price, price depends on patient requirements. Price per gram structure is a scam.

Scenario 2: The DG grows more than enough required for the patient, but the DG sells the Extra's to whoever; The patient should not have to pay a cent for their medication.

Scenario 3: The DG grows only the required amount for the patient, but also grows out additional strains for patient to test with; Patient pays an agreed price, again, price depends on patient requirements, NOT a per gram price. However, in this scenario, the agreed upon price would be slightly higher than in scenario 1, as more plants = more lights = more nutes etc.


In NO WAY are any scenario tied to one another... they are their own separate scenarios. And none of them is even remotely unrealistic, and is what I've been saying all along....

 

[maximum]

Ok how about this. You pay for the 40,000 watt grow room. Dump $30k+ into it. You pay everything. Including the rent on a wearehouse or basement or whatever. Then hire a grower for something reasonable like what you pay a plumber. $100/hour+ for an experienced grower. Or get a noob grower for $10/hour. lol. There you go. You have full control. Your grower grows for you. Your the boss. But be ready for a big bill. You pay per gram or per hour your still paying. Probably more per hour because you will have daily hourly costs. You now get to feel the pain of the grower. You now can appreciate the expense.

As for $5/gram you already said you would pay it now your saying its not remotely justifiable. You have a big need. That big need costs money. Just because you need lots doesnt mean the value of it is less. It means you have to pay more. $5/gram for high grade cannabis is a fucken great deal. At that price you could still be reselling it and making money. And you feel no obligation to prove your not selling it, and you want the grower to prove he isnt. Hypocrite.

Stop worrying about the profits the grower is making and worry about yourself. For a sick person you think a lot about profits. If you can't afford $5 gram for top shelf marijuana then you can't afford it. I can't afford a ferrari. I dont go bitching to the dealership.

If your buying ditchweed on the street cheaper then stick to that. You clearly dont understand the difference between high end cannabis and low end cannabis. The cannabis grown by an experienced grower that is passionate about marijuana vs a ditchweed biker gang weed is a huge difference. So once again your insulting growers by telling them their high end cannabis is comparable to ditch weed and you wont pay a penny more. Good for you. Nobody cares. The market is in the sellers favor not the buyers. So get with reality. Stop resisting it. Your license will expire and you will still be here crying that nobody is handing their hard work to you.

Pharoh if you where correct about what you say and expect, people would be posting 7 pages of offers for you NOT seven pages of outrage.

PS, too many people are letting you get away with fairy tale math you keep posting. Please post how $5/g, that's approximately a 300-350%. PROVE that. Show me the expenses and profits. Please list the expenses as you think they are. The time invested by a noob grower vs a grower with decade experience wont be worth the same rate. If you think they are your an idiot. And factor in the room setup and upfront costs. And with a political landscape how it is in Canada, keep in mind that in a couple years home growers are being removed and commercial growers are replacing them. So the grower is also taking RISK in spending tens of thousands of dollars on a setup that could be irrelevant in a couple years. AND C-10 passed so mandatory prison sentencing is coming. All factors drive prices up not down.

I feel like Im just repeating myself over and over. This is now a waste of my time. After seven pages you just dont get it. You will be here forever begging for handouts. I did my best to enlighten you to reality and so did SOOO many other posters but your still not getting it.

Sorry buddy, I dont think anyone on rollitup is stupid to fall for your scam.

 

[ru4r34l]

Pharoah is looking for a DESIGNATED GROWER not a DEALER.

I think his requests are perfectly reasonable (well I am not sure what he is willing to pay) if you can handle his complete script. I think the problem here is the amount of medicine that is used on a daily basis is quite high for small growers to produce, I am a DG for three patients and hand off about 1lbs of product a month, pharoah needs this quantity alone and and as a DG I should not be trying to grab per gram pricing.

regards,

 

[Pharoah]

Pharoah is looking for a DESIGNATED GROWER not a DEALER.

I think his requests are perfectly reasonable (well I am not sure what he is willing to pay) if you can handle his complete script. I think the problem here is the amount of medicine that is used on a daily basis is quite high for small growers to produce, I am a DG for three patients and hand off about 1lbs of product a month, pharoah needs this quantity alone and and as a DG I should not be trying to grab per gram pricing.

regards,

You've hit the nail on the head ru4r34l

 

[kpmarine]

You're rattled by your interpretation of what I said, combined with the many times you put words in my mouth.

I'm perfectly aware of these factors, and my math is not wrong, sorry to say. All those figures are very realistic should the individual have the means to produce it on that kind of level.

As for $5/g, please explain to me how that's even remotely justifiable for 18g/day... think about the BASIC math on this. Someone would be looking to charge me $2700/month for my meds, which is NOT AT ALL CHEAPER than I currently pay on the street.

How is that even remotely justified??? When I can get something on the street that exchanged a minimum of 3 hands, ALL earning profit, before it got to me... and someone who GROWS for me, exchanging ONLY 1 hand, not 3...

@ $5/g, that's approximately a 300-350% profit, which is IMO completely unreasonable. Is fine on a 5g/day usage, but not 10 or more, that's $90/day for me alone... do you realize people on fixed incomes don't even MAKE $90/day???


You're ideas on what's reasonable are completely unrealistic, and you should be ashamed of yourself if you have anyone you grow for that has the requirements I do, and still charge them a PER GRAM price that resembles STREET prices...


Let me put it this way, in terms of scenarios

Scenario 1: The DG grows only the amount required for the patient alone; The patient should pay an agreed price, price depends on patient requirements. Price per gram structure is a scam.

Scenario 2: The DG grows more than enough required for the patient, but the DG sells the Extra's to whoever; The patient should not have to pay a cent for their medication.

Scenario 3: The DG grows only the required amount for the patient, but also grows out additional strains for patient to test with; Patient pays an agreed price, again, price depends on patient requirements, NOT a per gram price. However, in this scenario, the agreed upon price would be slightly higher than in scenario 1, as more plants = more lights = more nutes etc.


In NO WAY are any scenario tied to one another... they are their own separate scenarios. And none of them is even remotely unrealistic, and is what I've been saying all along....

I get what you're saying, and generally agree. If I'm getting to keep overage, then no charge for you is reasonable. Why is price per gram wrong though? It seems you have a problem with the unit price. What you also must remember, is that $2700 pound is the same price because of the difference between wholesale and retail. You gotta buy in bulk to get bulk prices. Your 540g/month isn't really a huge amount. How would you suggest pricing if you don't like the per gram method?

 

[Pharoah]

Ok how about this. You pay for the 40,000 watt grow room. Dump $30k+ into it. You pay everything. Including the rent on a wearehouse or basement or whatever. Then hire a grower for something reasonable like what you pay a plumber. $100/hour+ for an experienced grower. Or get a noob grower for $10/hour. lol. There you go. You have full control. Your grower grows for you. Your the boss. But be ready for a big bill. You pay per gram or per hour your still paying. Probably more per hour because you will have daily hourly costs. You now get to feel the pain of the grower. You now can appreciate the expense.

As for $5/gram you already said you would pay it now your saying its not remotely justifiable. You have a big need. That big need costs money. Just because you need lots doesnt mean the value of it is less. It means you have to pay more. $5/gram for high grade cannabis is a fucken great deal. At that price you could still be reselling it and making money. And you feel no obligation to prove your not selling it, and you want the grower to prove he isnt. Hypocrite.

Stop worrying about the profits the grower is making and worry about yourself. For a sick person you think a lot about profits. If you can't afford $5 gram for top shelf marijuana then you can't afford it. I can't afford a ferrari. I dont go bitching to the dealership.

If your buying ditchweed on the street cheaper then stick to that. You clearly dont understand the difference between high end cannabis and low end cannabis. The cannabis grown by an experienced grower that is passionate about marijuana vs a ditchweed biker gang weed is a huge difference. So once again your insulting growers by telling them their high end cannabis is comparable to ditch weed and you wont pay a penny more. Good for you. Nobody cares. The market is in the sellers favor not the buyers. So get with reality. Stop resisting it. Your license will expire and you will still be here crying that nobody is handing their hard work to you.

Pharoh if you where correct about what you say and expect, people would be posting 7 pages of offers for you NOT seven pages of outrage.

Ditch weed?? LOL I get some great quality. There you go again with assumptions...

And 40K lights to produce my amount???

Ask Sir.G how much 1K of light can produce, Lets do some math shall we?

1 1000w light can produce when done right approximately 2lb's, or approximately 850g, so lets be REALLY conservative here, and say... 650g/1000w light

we have 3.5 months of growth time, so 1890g needs to be grown to supply my script during this time.

With 40K watts, you're looking at 26000 grams produced...

My script only needs 3 1000w lights to produce 3.5 months worth of medicine.

Where you keep getting this 40K watt requirement is beyond me....

 

[maximum]

3.5 months of grow time to get 450 grams off one plant HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. So 1 month veg 2.5 months flowering will produce 450 grams per plant? Fuck your a master grower. You should grow for me.

Secondly you dont dictate grow methods to growers. Everyone does it different. They tell you the numbers. Some poor grower agrees to grow for you and he gets 100 grams off a plant or 200 or even 300 in that time frame and you will be like OH SHIT your selling off on the side because I didnt get my pound of bud from each plant every few months.

 

[Pharoah]

I get what you're saying, and generally agree. If I'm getting to keep overage, then no charge for you is reasonable. Why is price per gram wrong though? It seems you have a problem with the unit price. What you also must remember, is that $2700 pound is the same price because of the difference between wholesale and retail. You gotta buy in bulk to get bulk prices. Your 540g/month isn't really a huge amount. How would you suggest pricing if you don't like the per gram method?

I'm saying it should be dependent on the size of the script, I'm not saying a price per gram structure is at it's core wrong, I'm saying that a $5/g no matter how much you need is wrong.
If someone only needs 5g/day, than $5/g isn't going to completely cripple them, whereas someone who has 8, 9, 10, or more, even @ $5/g, that will cripple them.

I do not buy weekly supply, or daily supply, I buy monthly, one shot.

I believe that if a DG is growing for someone, they should consider these factors, and not assume people are going to be willing to pay street prices for it... what would be the point of having someone grow for you, if you can just hop down the street and get it from some dude, who got it from some dude, who got it from some dude, who got it from some dude, who got it from some grower, for the exact same price.

I don't see why a DG feels they should earn the profits of what equates to 3-5 peoples profits on the street...

Let me put it this way, in terms of scenarios, they seem to work.


Scenario 1: Patient buys from the street @ $2600/lb. The person the patient buys from buy it from, profits $150. The person THEY buy from, earns $100-150. The person THEY buy it from, earns $150, we're now at $2150. The person THEY buy it from, earns $150, so now we're at $2000/lb, which is most likely what the grower got for it, and even he earned profit, so now lets figure that it cost's approximately $1400 to grow a single lb, and that's being generous, because it doesn't cost that much to grow.

Scenario 2: Patient has a DG that grows his for him, and charges essentially the same $2600/lb. This person is making making by himself, a MINIMUM profit of $600. So if we consider the actual cost to produce, NOW the Designated grower, who was supposed to make it easier for the patient, is now earning over $1000/month for something that is not covered under any health plan... this is ALL coming directly out of the patients pockets... and any DG who is ok with that, is worse than big pharma IMO.

 

[missnu]

I also feel like if you would try harder growing the meds yourself you will have a better appreciation for what we have to spend and do to keep things going nice...that is kinda the point...I mean when you were "trying" to do it yourself what lights and what not were you using...I mean it isn't that hard...you just stand back and let nature do it's thing really...add a little water there and a little ferts here..bada bing bada boom there ya go...as long as you pay for proper seeds or clones proper soil and proper lights then you are well on your way...