Bud Blood Experiences

Faldikar

Faldikar

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as for the flaming and trolling, Uncle Ben has a lot of good information. I for one have learned quite a bit from his posts (and yes i do my own research to verify what i read on the boards.) we are lucky to have him posting on this site. some may not like his personality, but you cant dispute his knowledge and understanding of cultivating marijuana.
if you disagree with something, counter it with a logical argument based on fact, not manufacturer hype and propaganda
sorry had to add my two cents on this for what ever it is worth.
sadly looking for another forum without as much trolling but no success as of yet.
 
fabodnickMD

fabodnickMD

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Wow! I just read through all of that, and I have to say that there is nothing more discouraging than wanting to read about something I have an interest in, and having to scroll through the BS to get to the meat.....I personally am giving the Lucas method another go, being that my yields are showing no real benefit from AN top of the line products that I have spent far too much on......I am currently using GH Maxibloom @6-7 gr per gallon, Fulmag with Epsom Salts & Calmax. I used the BB for the first week, sites are more healthy but I wouldnt go so far as to say that it was too much of an influence on site quantity. I hit the girls with Cha Ching the last few weeks before this last, where I cut back the nutes altogether and flush the system over the nutes already in play....I can say with confidence that there is a marked increase in weight and quality on the cheap....so bake that and please, if you dont agree do whatever works for you........:clap:
 
Faldikar

Faldikar

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I am tempted to do a test run with the paclobutrazol/daminozide combo and see if a friend will bring it to his lab to test. If I am able to do so, I will definately be posting results. It would be nice if I could find some definitive information on what is released when these compounds are heated to combustion temps. Even if amounts are miniscule, the change it undergoes through combustion could be far more harmful. The only tests I am seeing are from the big Alar Scare, and those are for consumption, not smoking (as well as blown way out of proportion due to media).
 
Faldikar

Faldikar

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Budman111, the test run would only take place if I can get a buddy to run tests on the resulting plant material to see how much paclobutrazol and daminizide it contained. Also to see if he could do some form of combustion test to see what chemical changes the trace amounts undergo.

Please reread my post, I believe it states quite clearly what my intentions are. So to answer your question.... No I am not kidding.
 
eDude

eDude

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Faldikar said:
I am tempted to do a test run with the paclobutrazol/daminozide combo and see if a friend will bring it to his lab to test. If I am able to do so, I will definately be posting results. It would be nice if I could find some definitive information on what is released when these compounds are heated to combustion temps. Even if amounts are miniscule, the change it undergoes through combustion could be far more harmful. The only tests I am seeing are from the big Alar Scare, and those are for consumption, not smoking (as well as blown way out of proportion due to media).
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The problem is and always has been the sprayer / loader. This is the guy that loads the sprayers and mixes it too and the guy that actually applies the mix. In this case it's normally not a spray. These are the guys that are exposed to more then anyone that smokes it.

http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/risk/rcd/paclobut.pdf

"Based on the currently available toxicity information, DPR concluded that paclobutrazol causes adverse effects on liver function and developmental effects in rodents. DPR has further concluded that, in
the absence of additional data to the contrary, paclobutrazol has the potential to cause similar effects in
humans."

"Exposure through the inhalation route was insignificant compared to potential dermal exposure.
Greenhouse workers involved in tending the treated plants have potential occupational exposure through
the dermal route."
It will be neat to see what happens when something is grown with it is burned..
 
Faldikar

Faldikar

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I would just like to have somewhere to talk about "gardening" and not have to deal with as many asshats.
Yes the people doing large applications are always affected the most. **Looks at those that sprayed and applied Agent Orange**
The problem is that the gov. wont willingly do the test themselves and share with everyone without adding a ton of beurocratic BS into the mix to sway the findings to make them fit their own agenda.
 
Faldikar

Faldikar

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Not that it is any of your business. But the person that would run the tests for me owes me a few favors since I have done rather extensive work for him in the past for free. As a matter of fact I actualy care about Paclobutrazol and Daminizide as there are quite a few nutrient manufacturers who use it in their lines. Knowing the effects of such chemicals on the human body should be EVERYONES business that uses these products. When you come up with a logical and intelligent arguement I will consider what you have to say. Until then, troll elsewhere please.
 
eDude

eDude

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homebrewer said:
Funny because I've never seen you over there ;).
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You've never seen edude anywhere but here. ;)

Invite sites go though uncomfortable slow periods. Also, most of the people in those site are not new gardeners looking for advice, it's old farts trying to tell other old farts what they do.. A lot of dick measuring..

I like helping noobs get started and to 'try' to leap frog them over all the bullshit and with out belittling them.

The best invite place I know doesn't advertise, you can't read anything on the site unless you're a member (sort of the point of an invite only site). Hard to have a private party in a glass house..
 
eDude

eDude

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Faldikar said:
Not that it is any of your business. But the person that would run the tests for me owes me a few favors since I have done rather extensive work for him in the past for free. As a matter of fact I actualy care about Paclobutrazol and Daminizide as there are quite a few nutrient manufacturers who use it in their lines. Knowing the effects of such chemicals on the human body should be EVERYONES business that uses these products. When you come up with a logical and intelligent arguement I will consider what you have to say. Until then, troll elsewhere please.
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Well the fact that the state of California bans these products almost as fast as they can come up with new names should give you a hint.

Everyone is better off finding a plant or method that allows them to get what they want with out these substances.
 
Faldikar

Faldikar

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god i love people like budman111, looks like caps lock truly is cruise control for cool. the whole point of the experiement is purely for science, curiosity, and to let those that have used it know what is going into their bodies. all plant material will inevitably be destroyed, and no one will be smoking it. my search for bigger better more potent bud is done through genetics not through dangerous pgr's.
Look at how long these nutrient lines were out there, how much product they sold, and ask yourself just how many people have become directly effected by these pgr's. Yes Cali does a great job at finding and banning these substances, but there are still many places that still use them with impunity. and these items are still availeble online to those that do not know what is in them, or do not understand the implications. i am not a fan of these substances, i just think that the information about how they effect the growing/smoking community is incomplete.
and as for budman111, im sure your plants get pleanty of electrolytes
 
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