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UncleBuck

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Sorry sunnyboy, I didn't mean any harm. Thanks for clearing it up. The insults weren't necessary though. Like you showed me, the question isn't what's abusive (which is what I did), it's the abuse that comes from other people (not me).

Fair enough, I won't ask anymore because people get hurt.
i think the question itself is abusive when asked repeatedly, like you are known to do.

the same type of ignorance that leads someone to ask that question over and over and over is the same type of ignorance that leads to much worse.

it's the difference between genuine intellectual curiosity and callous dickheaded harassment.
 

BillyBobJoe

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dude.

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adjective 1. using, containing, or characterized by harshly or coarsely insulting language: an abusive author; abusive remarks.

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Bro, I must not be up to speed. I just don't think the initial question is abusive, ignorant yes. If I come across the wrong way it's just proof I have a hard time expressing what I really mean.
 

UncleBuck

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Bro, I must not be up to speed. I just don't think the initial question is abusive, ignorant yes. If I come across the wrong way it's just proof I have a hard time expressing what I really mean.
you seem nice enough, so i will put this in a way that might not be so mean.

you yourself have characterized the question as offensive and ignorant. so when one asks an offensive, ignorant question repeatedly, does that not seem to be a bit abusive or harassing?
 

BillyBobJoe

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you seem nice enough, so i will put this in a way that might not be so mean.

you yourself have characterized the question as offensive and ignorant. so when one asks an offensive, ignorant question repeatedly, does that not seem to be a bit abusive or harassing?
I like your style, especially since I'm watching married with children right now. Like I said I'm not up to speed with this thread. If it's worn out than I'm done with it. Sorry for what offense I may have displayed. I just wanted to get mine in since the subject hits close to home. I have a gay cousin who recently came out to no surprise of the whole family. None of us care though, were just happy everyone is happy.
 

Padawanbater2

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Anyone strong in their own skin or conviction wouldn't feel threatened by a simple question, even if it was asked repeatedly.

Someone asks me why I'm straight two dozen times, they'll get the exact same answer two dozen times and I won't feel persecuted or offended once.
 

Heisenberg

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The only justification you need for asking why gay people are gay, is the fact that no one knows. To argue otherwise is to argue for ignorance over knowledge. In fact, the only sure way to stop people from asking is to give them an answer.

Considering evolution has a history of favoring traits which produce offspring, it seems rather odd for it to have preserved homosexuality. This suggests homosexuality is beneficial to genetic multiplication in some way, even if indirectly. It is a mystery that I for one find interesting.


It’s now very common to hear people say, “I’m rather offended by that,” as if that gives them certain rights. It’s simply a whine. It’s no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase - “I’m so offended by that.” Well, so fucking what? - Stephen Fry
 

Heisenberg

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As for it being a choice, anyone who asks this isn't putting much thought into it or are not being honest with themselves. You only need to look at your own life. Was your sexuality a choice? Could you make the choice to change? Do you suppose you are unique and everyone else gets a choice but you? Is it only gay people who get a choice? That would mean those people who get a choice always choose to be gay. Makes more sense to think that gay people's sexuality develops just like the rest of the population; gradually and without conscious effort.

So the fact that most people think it is a choice (according to yahoo) tells me that most people are not critical thinkers...something that doesn't surprise me.
 

Dr Kynes

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lol I do not think it's genetic, we don't have animals that are born gay so why us? Most deffinetly a choice. Maybe something happened when they were younger that made them affiliate the same sex with being sexually arousing or they just wanted to try it and liked it. idk but that's my opinion.
many critters indulge in same sex stimulation of the joy department, but its usually the critters with more advanced brains, like chimps, dolphins, and elephants.

the creatures with less developed brains which appear to engage in homosexuality are usually indulging in social dominance displays (dogs wolves, etc..), or are just too thick witted to understand that they are humping the wrong gender, like rabbits, fish and college students, and some are just assholes, like lions, hyenas and moralizing religious leaders.

interestingly, a small portion of the more intelligent critters sometimes form long lasting pairbonds with the same gender critters, what would otherwise be called a mated pair, particularly among the more monogamous type critters like cetaceans.

but then theres the bonobo chimps. those guys will fuck anything at any time. i watched a nature documentary where a baboon stalked a juvenile bonobo, and just when he moved in to kill the chimp, the little bastard pulled out his cock gave what can only be described as a pedo-smile and chased the baboon into the forest with a raging erection.
 

kenny ken 77

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either way i would not fuck with alot of gay men, especially in san fransisco, they understand 50% of people are ignorant and stupid, so they beef up and trust me, no man wants to get beat up by a gay man.
they also ''beef up'' because gays appreciate beauty,be that female,nice clothes,nice housing decore,and of course honed and toned male bodies, this i understand, for i imagine they feel similar to how i feel when i see a beautiful lady exposing her midrift and skin tight leggins displaying her beautiful womanly bits...hmmm
fuck! many times in summer previously stated ladies have caused me many a close shave whilst driving, desperate to crook my neck for a longer better look...lol.
result,many a close shave, i nearly crash every summer!
this same attraction leads me to believe gays feel the same about men, it's natural for them, something got fucked up during birth or growth, fact is they don't choose to be gay, they just are! just like i'm straight!
i didn't choose! women just make my cock throb!!
what more is there to say on this subject???
apart from women rock!!!
 

The Growery

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So instead of killing Saddam, Bush would have just flown to Iraq and fucked him publicly.
sure would have saved a lot of money and lives. i think i could stomach watching the commander in chief have gay sex on cnn live if it meant no more wars
 

Dr Kynes

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sure would have saved a lot of money and lives. i think i could stomach watching the commander in chief have gay sex on cnn live if it meant no more wars
sadly it doesnt work that way.

but if it makes you feel better you can watch him fuck you in the ass every year in the State of the Union speech.
 

Omgwtfbbq Indicaman

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either way i would not fuck with alot of gay men, especially in san fransisco, they understand 50% of people are ignorant and stupid, so they beef up and trust me, no man wants to get beat up by a gay man.
lol true, here's a video in which Joey Diaz recounts being beaten by a gay man- [video=youtube;BbgNdhzf4XE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbgNdhzf4XE[/video]
 

mindphuk

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most definitely genetic, if anything i see it as a phenotype dependent mostly on a genotype.
I have to point out the false dichotomy here -- either genetic or a choice. NO!
Something can be biological and not be of genetic origin. Some hypotheses has to do with the mother's hormones during gestation. This would be a biological influence without being genetic in nature. The other mistake is to claim that you are either 'born with it' or it's a conscious choice. There are so many other possible explanations that don't fall into either of these categories. Genetic research is demonstrating how environment and other non-genetic modalities influence our genes so a complex combination of nature and nurture mold many of our behaviors and preferences.
However, choice is most likely something that can be ruled out. I can no more "choose" to like vanilla more than chocolate than I can "choose" to like sucking cock over eating pussy.
 

Omgwtfbbq Indicaman

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I have to point out the false dichotomy here -- either genetic or a choice. NO!
Something can be biological and not be of genetic origin. Some hypotheses has to do with the mother's hormones during gestation. This would be a biological influence without being genetic in nature. The other mistake is to claim that you are either 'born with it' or it's a conscious choice. There are so many other possible explanations that don't fall into either of these categories. Genetic research is demonstrating how environment and other non-genetic modalities influence our genes so a complex combination of nature and nurture mold many of our behaviors and preferences.
However, choice is most likely something that can be ruled out. I can no more "choose" to like vanilla more than chocolate than I can "choose" to like sucking cock over eating pussy.
i agree, i saw a video that discussed how identical gay twins who are seperated at birth shared behavioral traits but not skills/hobbies and fobias but not beliefs. despite that overwhelmingly of one is gay the other is too. environment seems to have little effect on those who seem to be "born gay". thats why i believe its an underlying genetic predisposition.
 

fdd2blk

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if you have an identical twin that is gay and one that isn't then you simply aren't born gay. are you? identical twins are identical. every single identical twin that is born gay would have to share their sexuality with their sibling. otherwise the "born that way" theory simply doesn't play out.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation

[h=3]Twin studies[/h] A number of twin studies have attempted to compare the relative importance of genetics and environment in the causation of sexual orientation. In a 1991 study, Bailey and Pillard found that 52% of monozygotic (MZ) brothers and 22% of the dizygotic (DZ) twins were concordant for homosexuality.[SUP][4][/SUP] 'MZ' indicates identical twins with the same sets of genes and 'DZ' indicates fraternal twins where genes are mixed to a similar extent as non-twin siblings. In 2000 Bailey, Dunne and Martin found similar results from a larger sample of 4,901 Australian twins.[SUP][5][/SUP] Self reported zygosity, sexual attraction, fantasy and behaviours were assessed by questionnaire and zygosity was serologically checked when in doubt. They found 20% concordance in the male identical or MZ twins and 24% concordance for the female identical or MZ twins. A meta-study by Hershberger (2001)[SUP][6][/SUP] compares the results of eight different twin studies: among those, all but two showed MZ twins having much higher concordance of sexual orientation than DZ twins, suggesting a non-negligible genetic component.
Bearman and Bruckman (2002) criticized early studies of concentrating on small, select samples[SUP][3][/SUP] and non-representative selection of their subjects.[SUP][7][/SUP] They studied 289 pairs of identical twins (monozygotic or from one fertilized egg) and 495 pairs of fraternal twins (dizygotic or from two fertilized eggs) and found concordance rates for same-sex attraction of only 7.7% for male identical twins and 5.3% for females, a pattern which they say "does not suggest genetic influence independent of social context."[SUP][3][/SUP]
A 2010 study of all adult twins in Sweden (more than 7,600 twins)[SUP][8][/SUP] found that same-sex behavior was explained by both heritable factors and individual-specific environmental sources (such as prenatal environment, experience with illness and trauma, as well as peer groups, and sexual experiences), while influences of shared-environment variables such as familial environment and societal attitudes had a weaker, but significant effect. Women showed a statistically non-significant trend to weaker influence of hereditary effects, while men showed no effect of shared environmental effects. The use of all adult twins in Sweden was designed to address the criticism of volunteer studies, in which a potential bias towards participation by gay twins may influence the results (see below).
Overall, the environment shared by twins (including familial and societal attitudes) explained 0–17% of the choice of sexual partner, genetic factors 18–39% and the unique environment 61–66%. The individual's unique environment includes, for example, circumstances during pregnancy and childbirth, physical and psychological trauma (e.g., accidents, violence, and disease), peer groups (other than those shared with a twin), and sexual experiences. In men, genetic effects explained .34–.39 of the variance, the shared environment .00, and the individual-specific environment .61–.66 of the variance. Corresponding estimates among women were .18–.19 for genetic factors, .16–.17 for shared environmental, and .64–.66 for unique environmental factors.
[h=4]Criticisms[/h] Twin studies have received a number of criticisms including self-selection bias where homosexuals with gay siblings are more likely to volunteer for studies. Nonetheless, it is possible to conclude that, given the difference in sexuality in so many sets of identical twins, sexual orientation cannot be purely caused by genetics.[SUP][9][/SUP]
Another issue is the recent finding that even monozygotic twins can be different and there is a mechanism which might account for monozygotic twins being discordant for homosexuality. Gringas and Chen (2001) describe a number of mechanisms which can lead to differences between monozygotic twins, the most relevant here being chorionicity and amniocity.[SUP][10][/SUP] Dichorionic twins potentially have different hormonal environments and receive maternal blood from separate placenta. Monoamniotic twins share a hormonal environment, but can suffer from the 'twin to twin transfusion syndrome' in which one twin is "relatively stuffed with blood and the other exsanguinated".[SUP][11][/SUP] If one twin receives less testosterone and the other more, this could result in different levels of brain masculinisation.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP]
 

Padawanbater2

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It's an invitro process, also, identical twins don't share the same finger prints, so that alone puts a kink in the armor of that argument. Sexuality, much like fingerprints, can be different in identical twins.
 
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