ZOMG the Founding Fathers Passed Obamacare in 1798

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Wth July,

1798.CHAP. [94.] An act for the relief of sick and disabled seamen.

1

§ 1.

Be it enacted, Sfc.

That from and after the first day of September next, the master or ownerof every ship or vessel of the United States, arriving from a foreign port into any port of the United States, shall, before such ship or vessel shall be admitted to an entry, render to the collector a true account of the number of seamen that shall have been employed on board suchvessel since she was last entered at any port in the United States, and shall pay, to the said collector, at the rate of twenty cents per month for every seaman so employed ; which sum he is hereby authorized to retain out of the wages of such seamen.

§ 2. That from and after the first day of September next, no collector shall grant to any ship or vessel whose enrollment or license for carrying on the coasting trade has expired, a new enrollment or license, before the master of such ship or vessel shall first render a true account to the collector, of the number of seamen, and the time they have severally been employed on board such ship or vessel, during the continuance of the license which has so expired, and pay to such collector twenty cents per month for every month such seamen have been severally employed as aforesaid ; which sum the said master is hereby authorized to retain out of the wages of such seamen. And if any such master shall render a false account of the number of men, and the length of time they have severally been employed, as is herein required, he shall forfeit and pay one hundred dollars.§ 3. That it shall be the duty of the several collectors to make a quarterly return of the sums collected by them, respectively, by virtue of this act, to the secretary of the treasury ; and the president of the United States is hereby authorized, out of the same, to provide for the temporary relief and maintenance of sick, or disabled seamen, in the hospitals or other proper institutions now established in the several ports of the United States, or in ports where no such institutions exist, then in such other manner as he shall direct:

Provided,

that the moneys collected in anyone district, shall be expended within the same.

§

4. That if any surplus shall remain of the moneys to be collected by virtue of this act, after defraying the expense of such temporary relief and support, that the same, together with such private donations as may be made for that purpose, (which the president is hereby authorized toreceive,) shall be invested in the stock of the United States, under the direction of the president;and when, in his opinion, a sufficient fund shall be accumulated, he is hereby authorized to purchase or receive cessions or donations of ground or buildings, in the name of the United States, and to cause buildings, when necessary, to be erected as hospitals for the accommodationof sick and disabled seamen.§ 5. That the president of the United States be, and he is hereby, authorized to nominate andappoint, in such ports of the United States as he may think proper, one or more persons, to becalled directors of the marine hospital of the United States, whose duty it shall be to direct the expenditure of the fund assigned for their respective ports, according to the third section of thisact; to provide for the accommodation of sick and disabled seamen, under such general instructions as shall be given by the president of the United States for that purpose, and also,subject to the like general instructions, to direct and govern such hospitals, as the president maydirect to be built in the respective ports : and that the said directors shall hold their offices duringthe pleasure of the president, who is authorized to fill up all vacancies that may be occasioned bythe death or removal of any of the persons so to be appointed. And the said directors shall render an account of the moneys received and expended by them, once in every quarter of a year, to thesecretary of the treasury, or such other person as the president shall direct; but no otherallowance or compensation shall be made to the said directors, except the payment of such expenses as they may incur in the actual discharge of the duties required by this act.

[Approved, July

16, 1798.]
 

Murfy

Well-Known Member
And the said directors shall render an account of the moneys received and expended by them, once in every quarter of a year, to thesecretary of the treasury, or such other person as the president shall direct; but no otherallowance or compensation shall be made to the said directors, except the payment of such expenses as they may incur in the actual discharge of the duties required by this act.
 

BaroqueObammer

New Member
And the said directors shall render an account of the moneys received and expended by them, once in every quarter of a year, to thesecretary of the treasury, or such other person as the president shall direct; but no otherallowance or compensation shall be made to the said directors, except the payment of such expenses as they may incur in the actual discharge of the duties required by this act.
discharge?? seamen?? no wonder jesus and uncle are all over this
 

echelon1k1

New Member
Wth July,

1798.CHAP. [94.] An act for the relief of sick and disabled seamen.

1

§ 1.

Be it enacted, Sfc.

That from and after the first day of September next, the master or ownerof every ship or vessel of the United States, arriving from a foreign port into any port of the United States, shall, before such ship or vessel shall be admitted to an entry, render to the collector a true account of the number of seamen that shall have been employed on board suchvessel since she was last entered at any port in the United States, and shall pay, to the said collector, at the rate of twenty cents per month for every seaman so employed ; which sum he is hereby authorized to retain out of the wages of such seamen.

§ 2. That from and after the first day of September next, no collector shall grant to any ship or vessel whose enrollment or license for carrying on the coasting trade has expired, a new enrollment or license, before the master of such ship or vessel shall first render a true account to the collector, of the number of seamen, and the time they have severally been employed on board such ship or vessel, during the continuance of the license which has so expired, and pay to such collector twenty cents per month for every month such seamen have been severally employed as aforesaid ; which sum the said master is hereby authorized to retain out of the wages of such seamen. And if any such master shall render a false account of the number of men, and the length of time they have severally been employed, as is herein required, he shall forfeit and pay one hundred dollars.§ 3. That it shall be the duty of the several collectors to make a quarterly return of the sums collected by them, respectively, by virtue of this act, to the secretary of the treasury ; and the president of the United States is hereby authorized, out of the same, to provide for the temporary relief and maintenance of sick, or disabled seamen, in the hospitals or other proper institutions now established in the several ports of the United States, or in ports where no such institutions exist, then in such other manner as he shall direct:

Provided,

that the moneys collected in anyone district, shall be expended within the same.

§

4. That if any surplus shall remain of the moneys to be collected by virtue of this act, after defraying the expense of such temporary relief and support, that the same, together with such private donations as may be made for that purpose, (which the president is hereby authorized toreceive,) shall be invested in the stock of the United States, under the direction of the president;and when, in his opinion, a sufficient fund shall be accumulated, he is hereby authorized to purchase or receive cessions or donations of ground or buildings, in the name of the United States, and to cause buildings, when necessary, to be erected as hospitals for the accommodationof sick and disabled seamen.§ 5. That the president of the United States be, and he is hereby, authorized to nominate andappoint, in such ports of the United States as he may think proper, one or more persons, to becalled directors of the marine hospital of the United States, whose duty it shall be to direct the expenditure of the fund assigned for their respective ports, according to the third section of thisact; to provide for the accommodation of sick and disabled seamen, under such general instructions as shall be given by the president of the United States for that purpose, and also,subject to the like general instructions, to direct and govern such hospitals, as the president maydirect to be built in the respective ports : and that the said directors shall hold their offices duringthe pleasure of the president, who is authorized to fill up all vacancies that may be occasioned bythe death or removal of any of the persons so to be appointed. And the said directors shall render an account of the moneys received and expended by them, once in every quarter of a year, to thesecretary of the treasury, or such other person as the president shall direct; but no otherallowance or compensation shall be made to the said directors, except the payment of such expenses as they may incur in the actual discharge of the duties required by this act.

[Approved, July

16, 1798.]
Short memory there mud scuttle?

Do you always start a thread with bullshit?
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
Ah right...merchant navy. I see.

How about a history lesson from Forbes.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/02/06/a-history-seminar-obamacare-has-nothing-to-do-with-the-seamen-of-1798/

IAC, how we treat the merchant navy in this world is a very special case. Maritime Precedents are among the oldest references that exist. It is all about the cargo. All the punishment and all the care revolves around an ancient concept.

http://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/1317735/1/282305.pdf

....in practice was to tinge a great deal of subsequent legislation, for

the notion that 'freight is the mother of wages' meant

that wages were contingent on the safe delivery of cargo
so that disciplinary measures could be applied if seamen
broached the cargo, neglected duty or left the ship with-
out permission. Another concept was that masters and
owners had a responsibility for sick and injured men,
and in such cases a standard of care was prescribed.3



Also known as the Judgements of 01ron, this code ofmaritime conduct derived from Rhodian sea law of
about 700 A.D. and was introduced into England in
the ll9Os. The earliest surviving copy is in the
'Liber Memorandum' of the City of London kept at the
City of London Record Office. For a recent analysis
of the impact of these laws see Timothy J. Runyan
'Mariners and the Law of the Sea in Later Medieval
England' in Paul Adam (ed.) Seamen in Society -
proceedings of the International Commission of Mari-
time History-, Bucharest, 1980 - Part II, 1-8.


 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Well I guess the point is

They Had Mandated Health insurance and it wasnt Un constitutional in 1798

It sure aint unconstitutional

NOW
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
Well I guess the point is

They Had Mandated Health insurance and it wasnt Un constitutional in 1798

It sure aint unconstitutional

NOW
the real question is, who told you about this obsolete program from 200 years ago so you could trot it out here?

and further, this was relating to Merchant Seamen, not the entire population, due to their VERY SPECIFIC issues, notably, injured or ill sailors would be dumped at the next port of call and abandoned by their employers creating a problem for the PORT, so congress stepped in to alleviate a problem DIRECTLY RELATED to interstate, and international commerce, which they ARE permitted to regulate you buffoon.

congress has NO power to regulate cashiers at walmart, or the guy who works at the Quick-E Lube, as their business is NOT interstate or international.

further their relationship with a doctor, a medical group, a hospital an insurance agency or the fact that they may have no such relationships is outside congressional purview.

this is settled law, unless you are in actual interstate or international business, congress cannot regulate you.

http://www.oyez.org/cases/1901-1939/1934/1934_854


 

nitro harley

Well-Known Member
Well I guess the point is

They Had Mandated Health insurance and it wasnt Un constitutional in 1798

It sure aint unconstitutional

NOW
PornO cheezyO..

This reminds me of your example of a patriot and it turned out to be some idiot actors....I imagine that was a real buzz kill for buck if he wasn't finished...Did you two go to a school for idiots?
 

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
Well I guess the point is

They Had Mandated Health insurance and it wasnt Un constitutional in 1798

It sure aint unconstitutional

NOW

What if real bikers came to your house and peed on your girly harleys? Is that constitutional? Just wondering.
 

Red1966

Well-Known Member
Wth July, 1798.CHAP. [94.] An act for the relief of sick and disabled seamen. 1 § 1. Be it enacted, Sfc. That from and after the first day of September next, the master or ownerof every ship or vessel of the United States, arriving from a foreign port into any port of the United States, shall, before such ship or vessel shall be admitted to an entry, render to the collector a true account of the number of seamen that shall have been employed on board suchvessel since she was last entered at any port in the United States, and shall pay, to the said collector, at the rate of twenty cents per month for every seaman so employed ; which sum he is hereby authorized to retain out of the wages of such seamen. § 2. That from and after the first day of September next, no collector shall grant to any ship or vessel whose enrollment or license for carrying on the coasting trade has expired, a new enrollment or license, before the master of such ship or vessel shall first render a true account to the collector, of the number of seamen, and the time they have severally been employed on board such ship or vessel, during the continuance of the license which has so expired, and pay to such collector twenty cents per month for every month such seamen have been severally employed as aforesaid ; which sum the said master is hereby authorized to retain out of the wages of such seamen. And if any such master shall render a false account of the number of men, and the length of time they have severally been employed, as is herein required, he shall forfeit and pay one hundred dollars.§ 3. That it shall be the duty of the several collectors to make a quarterly return of the sums collected by them, respectively, by virtue of this act, to the secretary of the treasury ; and the president of the United States is hereby authorized, out of the same, to provide for the temporary relief and maintenance of sick, or disabled seamen, in the hospitals or other proper institutions now established in the several ports of the United States, or in ports where no such institutions exist, then in such other manner as he shall direct: Provided, that the moneys collected in anyone district, shall be expended within the same. § 4. That if any surplus shall remain of the moneys to be collected by virtue of this act, after defraying the expense of such temporary relief and support, that the same, together with such private donations as may be made for that purpose, (which the president is hereby authorized toreceive,) shall be invested in the stock of the United States, under the direction of the president;and when, in his opinion, a sufficient fund shall be accumulated, he is hereby authorized to purchase or receive cessions or donations of ground or buildings, in the name of the United States, and to cause buildings, when necessary, to be erected as hospitals for the accommodationof sick and disabled seamen.§ 5. That the president of the United States be, and he is hereby, authorized to nominate andappoint, in such ports of the United States as he may think proper, one or more persons, to becalled directors of the marine hospital of the United States, whose duty it shall be to direct the expenditure of the fund assigned for their respective ports, according to the third section of thisact; to provide for the accommodation of sick and disabled seamen, under such general instructions as shall be given by the president of the United States for that purpose, and also,subject to the like general instructions, to direct and govern such hospitals, as the president maydirect to be built in the respective ports : and that the said directors shall hold their offices duringthe pleasure of the president, who is authorized to fill up all vacancies that may be occasioned bythe death or removal of any of the persons so to be appointed. And the said directors shall render an account of the moneys received and expended by them, once in every quarter of a year, to thesecretary of the treasury, or such other person as the president shall direct; but no otherallowance or compensation shall be made to the said directors, except the payment of such expenses as they may incur in the actual discharge of the duties required by this act. [Approved, July 16, 1798.]
"master or ownerof every ship or vessel" not the seamen. Sort of like workman's comp ins. So not like Obamacare at all. Liar.
 
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