Prepetual Ebb & Flow

drgreentm · Dec 12, 2010

whats up everybody had a journal going but its not the best thread to start if you have any ?'s anyway i have 2 2X4 ebb trays with 2 400w hps's one running each tray one tray with 8 plants 4 weeks in flower the other has 11 plants 2 days in flower so im thinking of upgrading my ballasts to lumatek digital 600's just wondering if anybody has grown with 400w and upgraded to 600w and could tell me how much difference they made. I know more light the better but just want to know if it is substantial enough to run out and spend another 500 on my lights any info is appreciated.

phxfire · Dec 12, 2010

For the space you are working with an upgrade may not be needed... I think if you changed out your REFLECTORS you may get better light spread... Since the lights are 400watters you will not get a lot of heat coming off them... No need for cooling the lights... And it would be ALOT cheaper to just get some different reflectors.... Check out Adjust-A-Wing Reflectors....

drgreentm · Dec 12, 2010

phxfire said:
For the space you are working with an upgrade may not be needed... I think if you changed out your REFLECTORS you may get better light spread... Since the lights are 400watters you will not get a lot of heat coming off them... No need for cooling the lights... And it would be ALOT cheaper to just get some different reflectors.... Check out Adjust-A-Wing Reflectors....

thank you very much for the info very cool product i have actually ran my reflectors with no ducting for a while with no rise in room temp so like you said they really dont need to be cooled

aeviaanah · Dec 12, 2010

Beautiful and clean grow room, im impressed! +rep. Another light will always help, that is if you can keep the heat down and pay the electricity bill. Doesnt look necessary at this point but possibly during the last few weeks of flower.

drgreentm · Dec 12, 2010

aeviaanah said:
Beautiful and clean grow room, im impressed! +rep. Another light will always help, that is if you can keep the heat down and pay the electricity bill. Doesnt look necessary at this point but possibly during the last few weeks of flower.

thank you very much been working very hard on this grow and i was thinking of digi ballasts because i could run 400's still then like you said during the end i could swap to 600's with the flip of a switch so they could pack a little more weight on. thanks for stopping in.

aeviaanah · Dec 12, 2010

drgreentm said:
thank you very much been working very hard on this grow and i was thinking of digi ballasts because i could run 400's still then like you said during the end i could swap to 600's with the flip of a switch so they could pack a little more weight on. thanks for stopping in.

They have ballists that can go from 400 to 600? I thought there was only ballists that can go hps to mh and vice versa. Right on! Im remodeling the room right now. Journal is in sig.

drgreentm · Dec 12, 2010

dam you are right lol i was miss informed by the hydro store i shop at or maybe the guy just miss understood me but anyway at that rate think im just going to stick with the 400's for now and when i get my other ebb trays just get 2 more 400's and call it good was thinking of 600's on light movers but just dont want to invest on something thats not worth it you know.

trouble9039 · Dec 12, 2010

I went from 400 to 600 and now @ 1000's. The 600's are nice for the heat and the clearance from the tops. What is your goal in this. You say a perpetual, now are you gonna keep your count consistent? I am a SOG grower and love it!

drgreentm · Dec 12, 2010

trouble9039 said:
I went from 400 to 600 and now @ 1000's. The 600's are nice for the heat and the clearance from the tops. What is your goal in this. You say a perpetual, now are you gonna keep your count consistent? I am a SOG grower and love it!

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nice set up when i say perpetual i of course mean harvest. the plants on the left are 4 weeks and 2 days in flower the others 2 days in flower so when i harvest in four weeks a new batch will replace them and what exactly you mean by constant??? count of plants or yield and no for both i aim for higher every time in both categories i dont see the point in growing if im not always aiming for something better i got half the system i intended this room for and lights as well i just pulled 1.5 oz's of each plant on my last harvest want 2 flat a plant witch is why i say might not be possible off 400's and another thing this is all no co2 thats my next investment in the next couple of weeks.

Stonetech · Dec 12, 2010

drgreentm said:
dam you are right lol i was miss informed by the hydro store i shop at or maybe the guy just miss understood me but anyway at that rate think im just going to stick with the 400's for now and when i get my other ebb trays just get 2 more 400's and call it good was thinking of 600's on light movers but just dont want to invest on something thats not worth it you know.

600w Lumatek Dial A Watt ballast can be switched 600w/400w and HPS/MH. They're not the cheapest though.

drgreentm · Dec 12, 2010

aaa yes thats it its called THE NEW DIAL A WATT by lumatek thats the one im talking about its there 5th gen ballast thanks man

drgreentm · Dec 13, 2010

im looking at 250 a ballast and it looks like they have a dual outlet ballast as well for 400 heard the duals where not worth a shit anybody have a comment on that.

guitargodj32 · Dec 13, 2010

I went from a 400w to a 1000w and suddenly had to deal with all sorts of heating/ venting issues whereas before I had had just an office fan. I have had a good yield under 400w but it doesnt touch the grams per watt of a 1000w light. From what I gather and have heard 600w is the way to go as far as the balance of electricity usage to penetration.
Something to remeber is the fact that more light = more buds, if you can afford an upgrade and will eventually, why wait?

drgreentm · Dec 13, 2010

guitargodj32 said:
I went from a 400w to a 1000w and suddenly had to deal with all sorts of heating/ venting issues whereas before I had had just an office fan. I have had a good yield under 400w but it doesnt touch the grams per watt of a 1000w light. From what I gather and have heard 600w is the way to go as far as the balance of electricity usage to penetration.
Something to remeber is the fact that more light = more buds, if you can afford an upgrade and will eventually, why wait?

absolutely i dont think i am going to wait thanks for the info gg if it gets me a little better yield it will pay for its self in time anyway you know.

trouble9039 · Dec 13, 2010

The nextgen by CAP comes in a 400/600 switchable! I have a few of their ballast and never have had a problem with them. I have had problems with lumatek ballast in the past. But see what you want and how much you want to spend.

drgreentm · Dec 13, 2010

trouble9039 said:
The nextgen by CAP comes in a 400/600 switchable! I have a few of their ballast and never have had a problem with them. I have had problems with lumatek ballast in the past. But see what you want and how much you want to spend.

thanks for the info man i will check there ballast out i never used lumatek but i would rather spend some extra bucks for something thats going to last me in the long run
thanks again

trouble9039 · Dec 13, 2010

No problem! I love mine and they are sweet looking and hang nice! These are 2 1000's so you can kinda see what I am talking about.

drgreentm · Dec 13, 2010

dam very nice looking ballasts!!! I LIKE lol what did you spend on those i know the lunatek 1000's are F'in expensive like 400 a ballast sure those are a little more than that.

trouble9039 · Dec 14, 2010

To be honest I think they were under 400 each for the 1000's! and the 400/600 is close to 300.00 maybe.

drgreentm · Dec 15, 2010

trouble9039 said:
To be honest I think they were under 400 each for the 1000's! and the 400/600 is close to 300.00 maybe.

ya man i checked them out they are a little cheaper than lumatek now are those voltage adjustable didnt say anything in the description online.

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