1 x 250w cfl grow in a 3 foot tall box

seal1990

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i am starting my first grow on friday and i need some help from experienced growers, i have bought 1 cfl 250w and i am planning on growin 2x russian rocket fuel 2x blue himalaya and 2x afghan kush ryder. planning on using 5litre pots and now i am wondering if there will be enough light? there all auto flowering and short plants so i am hoping there is going to be enough light but was hoping some1 more experienced would be able to give me some advice :) :joint:
 

stelthy

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i am starting my first grow on friday and i need some help from experienced growers, i have bought 1 cfl 250w and i am planning on growin 2x russian rocket fuel 2x blue himalaya and 2x afghan kush ryder. planning on using 5litre pots and now i am wondering if there will be enough light? there all auto flowering and short plants so i am hoping there is going to be enough light but was hoping some1 more experienced would be able to give me some advice :) :joint:
I will happily lend a hand :) Are you going the Hydro DWC route? or soil? post up a pic of the cab :) what are you using as reflective surfacing in the box? - STELTHY :leaf:
 

zvuv

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The problem with autos is that you have little control over their size. They just do their thing. I grew autos under a 600W and they finished in 3 & 5 ga pots.

In addition to Stelthy's other questions, how much floor space, or more importantly, how much canopy space do you have? The rule of thumb is 50w/sq ft which for a 250W bulb means 5sq ft or slightly larger than 2ft x 2ft. I would grow one or two autos in that space.

I understand you have plans but IMO six is a lot to handle on a first grow. Even without the question about the light, I would not recommend more than three plants.
 

seal1990

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i just tryed to upload some photos of the box but i think the file size is too big so i will try my best to describe it: its 2ft wide and 2ft deep and 3 ft the inside is getting covered with mylar and i will be using soil, i have 2 120mm fans one for intake one for exhaust. thanks for the replys really appreciate it
 

seal1990

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and i am planning on growing 6 cuz i have a mate that grew 3 with a little 65w cfl LOL and his afghan kush ryders still produced about 10g per plant and got me high as a kite :D

also i have done alot of research on the seeds i purchased and none shoud grow above 20" tall so i thought six would be a nice number aslong as the light is enough
 

seal1990

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SDC11383.jpgSDC11380.jpg Managed to get some photos up of the cab just built, next is make the fan holes and then cover the inside with mylar while i wait for my 250w cfl to arrive.

can anyone please give me some advice if im doin the rite thing or just wasting my time!

Thanks
 

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SmeLLyTreeZ

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Looks good, you will be fine to get them going for the first month or so. Then if you want to add a couple more cfl's "If the heat will let you" you could always do that too.
As long as you can control the heat, Even with the 250 you should produce some decent but though to answer your question!
 

seal1990

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Looks good, you will be fine to get them going for the first month or so. Then if you want to add a couple more cfl's "If the heat will let you" you could always do that too.
As long as you can control the heat, Even with the 250 you should produce some decent but though to answer your question!
i dont think heat should be a problem as i have a temp gauge in the box atm to get a rough idea and some times it drops to 16 celcius (not sure what that is farenheit) but hoping that the mylar and the cfl will add abit of heat in there. so you think 6 plants should be good in there? thanks for your reply mate
 

skinitti666

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the little plant im fingering is growing 2 tops ive never seen no shit like that man and my big 1 got burnt when the light fell on it im lucky to have caught it
 

seal1990

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the little plant im fingering is growing 2 tops ive never seen no shit like that man and my big 1 got burnt when the light fell on it im lucky to have caught it
am i missing something here? dont see how thats suppose to help me? dont mean to be rude but are u tryin to say only do 1 plant under the 250w cfl or...?

your box looks massive compared to mine tho, thats why i thought 6 little bushy plants would be perfect for my box but not sure if im right or rong thats why im tryin to get some advice from ppl that have done this many times b4

nice pics tho mate keep it going
 

seal1990

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can anyone please help out? im still not sure weather my grow will go good with the setup im planning
 

seal1990

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some1 pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee help, friday is gettin ever so closer :P but im still not 100% sure im doin the rite thing
 

zvuv

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Hey relax! :) You can start your grow a few days later. More important to start right than to start right away.

I've just finished an auto grow. Here's what I think:

Your cab looks really nice.

Your 250W MH is about ideal for the floor space or canopy space that you have.

You are definitely going to have heating problems unless the air temps in the room are very cool.

The advice about supplementary cfls during late flowering is a good idea if you can manage the heat.

It should easily turn out a couple three ozs every harvest.

Your cab could grow three autos NO MORE! And I wouldn't dare try that until I had a couple of successful grows with fewer plants.

TWO PLANTS! No more! Even with just two plants you may find yourself frantically struggling to control the canopy.

With photo plants, you have a lot of control over the size and shape because you can vary the veg time and also, just prune them. So with photos you can grow 10 tiny plants or 1 huge plant depending on what you want to do. With autos you cant do any of that. Well you can prune but its not a good idea. The only real option you have is training.
 

seal1990

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i dont think you understand how long i been waitin and how excited i am :)

thanks for the advice, and ive got a 250w cfl not MH purely on cost of elecy.

what does canopy mean? and the room is very cool the average temp in there atm is 17 degrees celcius with no light.

and why do you suggest only doing 2 or 3? i dont understand because i have a mate that did 3 under a 65w cfl in a smaller box and like i said it got me high as a kite :) so i dont get why i can only do 2 or 3 even tho ive gone for a better light and setup.

thanks for the reply
 

zvuv

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and why do you suggest only doing 2 or 3? i dont understand because i have a mate that did 3 under a 65w cfl in a smaller box and like i said it got me high as a kite :) so i dont get why i can only do 2 or 3 even tho ive gone for a better light and setup.

thanks for the reply
He did 3 under 65W of fluoro and got 10g per plant? You have nearly 4x as much light. Your plants will grow much bigger. With a 250W MH over 5sq feet of canopy should yield 60g per plant! The rule of thumb is 0.5g per W of light. That's for MH. cfls yield less but I dont know how much.

The final size of your autos will depend greatly on how much light you put in. Another rule of thumb is that for every sq ft of canopy you need 50w in your MH bulb (I dont know the equivalent for cfls). It's what I have in my grow and my autos wanted to finish in 12L and 20L pots! Each plant needed about 20" x 20" of floor space. Your plants should be a lot bigger than the ones your mate grew.

Canopy is the surface of green leaves that the plants present to the light. If you imagine looking down at the plants from the light buld you will see a mat of green. This is the canopy. The maximum size of the canopy is determined by your bulb. In your case 5sq ft. Outside of that area the intensity falls away rapidly. Experienced growers try to train and manipulate their plants so that this area has few gaps and branches are not obscuring each other. Once you have your canopy filled adding more plants will not increase your yield.

You have 3' of height? Allow 9" (at least for the pot), another 9" (at least) for the light and the clearance above the plants. You are left with about 18" of height for the plant itself. If your plant wants to grow taller then that you are going to have train her to control the height which means she will spread out more requiring even more area.

Now what happens if you grow three plants and you run out of canopy space in the middle of flowering? What happens if the plants become pot bound and you need larger pots? The pots can't be much taller than 9" so they have to be wider. If you take out a plant, where are you going to put it? You may find it a struggle to manage just two in that space?

You've never grown under a 250 MH ( true? ), never used this cab and never grown autos before, in fact, never grown at all. In light of that, I suggest you play it conservatively and leave yourself some room for things to go wrong. Just my opinion. It's your grow. IMO three plants is dodgy at this point. I would recommend two on the first grow.

If you were growing photos, you could control their size by the length of the veg period and pruning. With autos the plant decides.
 

zvuv

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PS

You will not need your lamp for the first week of growth. In fact you can make do with a couple of 23W cfls for two weeks.

Fire up the bulb in your box and see what temp you get.
 

WeedKillsBrainCells

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Listen to zvuv he's absolutely right right down to the not needing a 250w for the first week or two. and I hope what you said about your friend getting 10gs a plant under 65w was true lol as I've got very low wattage for my first grow. I'm excited for flowering but as I was kinda going with the flow I'm running outta places to move my lights
 

seal1990

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zvuv.... thanks for your comments i am honestly takin in to consideration wot your sayin, i appreciate your help....

i have few 20w 2700k bulbs but their tiny lol dont no if they could cope for a week?
also at my work they have sum miracle - grow compost and i am wondering if its good? and sum nutrients by miracle grow for tomatoes , it says for fruit and veg.. is this any good?


thanks for your help mate
 
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