12 watt LED supplemental lighting?

http://www.hidhut.com/catalog/led-bulbs-c-147_101.html


Has anyone seen or used these who can give a brief pro/con/editorial user report type deal? I'm wondering how much area one of these will effectively light. What about the 1 watt ones? Might they be good for supplemental lighting in smaller areas?
I'm sure they must help some, but the major thing I'm wondering about is if they provide enough light from the far red and blue ends of the spectrum to be able to disregard what color temperature your main lights are putting out. If not, then how many watts of these would it take per foot squared.

I'm just curious about these as I had never seen them before I stumbled on them last night, so any information is appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

no that is way expensive. I just got a 180w Pro Grow from Hydroponics Hut (155w actual power draw for $250). Also I've been using them for a while 12w of led power is not that much even if they are 1w chips. 3w chipsets are the new industry standard. So you could pay 100 bucks for 12w or tack on another 150 to that price and get 14 different spectrums of love 3w chipsets, and an additional 142w of power. Don't care what brand you go with but that one is a total waste of money for the power produced. You will be dissapointed if you buy that at the price listed.

Shit for that price you could get a 50w blackstar ufo (actual power draw probably 30w). You'd still get 18 additional watts and 2 additional bands. There are plenty of other leds out there at the same or slightly higher prices that will blow this out of the water.

The blue ones are supposed to be excellent supplemental lighting when using a HPS bulb 3-4 of them, per 1000w should give a boost in yield

dude for 400 bucks you could get a sweet led light that produces way more than 48w. I'm sticking with my guns, been using led only for about a year now. That light is a rip off for the price.

hoss12781 said:

dude for 400 bucks you could get a sweet led light that produces way more than 48w. I'm sticking with my guns, been using led only for about a year now. That light is a rip off for the price.

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The fact that these lights emit only usable light doesntt count for anything?
I know about the higher end lights that cost 500-700 bucks. I wouldn't use them by them selves, and who wants to spend that much on supplemental lighting? These look like they may be a good solution for the application I have in mind, hence asking for PERSONAL EXPERIENCE...not someone's opinion on a product they have never tried.

I've used leds from LED Wholesalers, GLH, Hydroponics Hut, HTG, and no name Chinese brands. 12w of led output doesn't count for much man. From my personal experience you need at least 100w of actual led output per plant if not more to make things work right. Before I went all led I used low wattage led side lighting to suppliment my 2 400w hps lights. If you really want to go ahead but it's not worth it. Here is a link for basically the same thing for $35.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12W-12-LED-Plant-Grow-Light-Red-Blue-Sunshine-Spot-/220871809041?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item336cfc5811

To get any real results from supplementation light with LED, spend the ~$3-400 on things that are guaranteed to give you yield. There is such thing as too much light and plants will cower away from it. Get the proper HID/CFL light for your space, allow your plant to grow into the space with the light. The only super yield tricks are oxygen at the root zone and CO2 at the foliage. Any well known nutrient / additive line will do the job with grower talent.

I dont know your setup but if you're in soil, consider mixing a bit of coco, hydroton, or other medium that would add aeration to your soil. If you are in hydro, consider some air pots to further oxygen into the roots. If you are doing a small setup, making a CO2 bucket reactor with CO2 hose and maneuver hose around your plants are all tricks that will give you results over supplemental lighting for that much money.

Just some food for thought.

I have a couple of 15w led spotlights in the far red spectrum. What I like about these spotlights is that they come in different wavelengths and you can target to your needs. I went with far red to add to my full spectrum panels because they are supposed to promote flowering and increase density. I feel like they work as advertised. They were about $80 from advancedled.

hoss12781 said:

I've used leds from LED Wholesalers, GLH, Hydroponics Hut, HTG, and no name Chinese brands. 12w of led output doesn't count for much man. From my personal experience you need at least 100w of actual led output per plant if not more to make things work right. Before I went all led I used low wattage led side lighting to suppliment my 2 400w hps lights. If you really want to go ahead but it's not worth it. Here is a link for basically the same thing for $35.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12W-12-LED-Plant-Grow-Light-Red-Blue-Sunshine-Spot-/220871809041?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item336cfc5811

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Since you know so much about LED, have you heard of the Fero? I just ordered one of their new 4G 3watters 180W (actual 140-160W) . I got a good deal on it on amazon, 225$ including shipping, there was only 1 of them for that price. peace

by the way, I laugh everytime I see your avatar!!!

I'm just going to assume you guys didn't read the OP since not a single question I asked has been answered, and many other questions that I did NOT ask HAVE been answered...

I am not a new grower. I know a lot of ways to increase yield without touching anything to do with a light. I also know that you need a lot of watts of LED to grow a cannabis plant well, which is why I don't use them. I already have a lot of watts worth of lights that I already paid hundreds of dollars for. I don't need any more big lights. I think I could, however, use some smaller supplemental lights for under the canopy to try to fatten up the lower buds a little so I don't find myself stripping them off just so I don't have to clip a pound of popcorn buds every time I harvest. Also, if these lights save me from having to switch from HPS to MH, that right there saves me like 40 bucks every grow, because I replace HID bulbs a lot earlier than I should and give the old ones to a buddy. THESE do not lose intensity so fast, and last a LOT longer.So, where it may not be worth it to YOU, it may be to me...hence the exact reason I didn't ask that question.
I am well aware that I can use CFLs or T5 or pretty much anything else I choose for supplemental lighting, but I came across this product, and was wondering if anyone had any experience with them. I don't need you too inform me of all the other options. I assure you, I know them...Thanks tho.

With that being said, the link posted from the light on E Bay, is nowhere near the same thing. The product I am interested in emits only one color of the spectrum, and all of it is usable. I understand that there isn't a lot of it, thats why its called SUPPLEMENTAL. It's just a little extra to make up for where the other lights fall short.
And even if they do cost a lot, they could well be the lowest energy and heat solution for what I need, and they would pay for themselves over time.
I'm just researching the product...thats all. Please save your "thats a waste of time!!!" comments. I can make those decisions on my own. Again, thanks tho!

I've used nearly identical supplemental leds but from a different company. But I guess you didn't care.

Only1, please keep me posted on your results. I just purchased 2 of these: http://www.amazon.com/LED-Wholesalers-2501MX-Square-Light/dp/B001MVWYZA/ref=sr_1_sc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1318279367&sr=8-2-spell. I have not been able to find any info. on wattage conversion from MH/HPS to LED. I will be experimenting with two plants to see what results I get.

These people are trying to help you. 13w isn't enough to do a whole lot. For the same price, or slightly more (but MUCH better $ per watt), you can get a better version of the same thing. While that may not have been your main question, human nature is to try to help you. IF you know the other options as well as you say you do, then you would know $98 for a 13w light bulb is ridiculous. You can get the same thing for cheaper. You can get BETTER for less dollars per watt. I'm not sure why I'm even posting this. You'll just complain about it.

Calidadd said:

Only1, please keep me posted on your results. I just purchased 2 of these: http://www.amazon.com/LED-Wholesalers-2501MX-Square-Light/dp/B001MVWYZA/ref=sr_1_sc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1318279367&sr=8-2-spell. I have not been able to find any info. on wattage conversion from MH/HPS to LED. I will be experimenting with two plants to see what results I get.

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This panel isn't going to do a whole lot. It is only pushing .061 watts per diode. You're going to want at least 1w diodes usually. There is no wattage conversion and there is MUCH debate as to how many LED watts it takes to replace a certain HID ballast. If you've decided to make the switch to LED, you're best bet is to find the panel that is right for your circumstance. You'r'e going to want at least 3w diodes if you're planning on using LED-only.

virulient said:

This panel isn't going to do a whole lot.

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Do you mean it wont grow at all or just don't expect heavy yields? The reason I'm going w/LED is mainly because of the low heat signature & the energy efficiency. Would it be to much to ask for a reference link to what LED I would need to grow lets say 20 "Brainstorm" plants.

Calidadd said:

Do you mean it wont grow at all or just don't expect heavy yields? The reason I'm going w/LED is mainly because of the low heat signature & the energy efficiency. Would it be to much to ask for a reference link to what LED I would need to grow lets say 20 "Brainstorm" plants.

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Hey man, I have a few links that I think you would find useful. A few grow journals maybe, as the LED owners are very proud of their lights, they like to talk about them, haha. You can find a lot of information through these threads, and the links that people post inside of them. The main points to keep in mind with LED's are strength of the diode (you want 3w diodes or higher), the lens angle (the higher the angle, the more spread out the light, the lower the angle, it turns into more of a light beam and penetrates better), the brand of the diodes (US made preferably, some of the china made ones are very low quality...Bridgelux preferred), and the actual wattage (you're going to want at least 100 watts per 1x1 area, in my opinion).....this is on of the most debatable subjects on LED....how many watts are really needed? Other than that you can familiarize yourself with the PAR chart, what it is and how it benefits your plants. You'll find that the majority of light in HID systems can't be used in photosynthesis, where 80-90% of the light in LED's IS usable. Lastly, the brand of the light. Unfortunately there are no real cheap solutions for LED users, all the good lights are expensive up front, but will pay for themselves in the long haul. Sorry for the book , here are the posts I was talking about.
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/418071-irish-boys-2011-spectra-led.html
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/443586-pro-grow-led-run-1-a.html
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/443986-snow-dream-coco-led-closet.html
https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/452030-c-wiz-green-lab-amc-42.html ---page 42. This one isn't about LED's per say, but a study talking about different spectrum ranges and their benefits on our plants. Really cool shit in there.

As far as brands go, I can recommend BlackDog, AdvancedLED, Kessil, Blackstar, GrowLEDHydro, ProGrow, and Magnum357. All of these are proven brands, and have 3w diodes or stronger. I personally use the AdvancedLED Diamond series, but you would be happy with any of these lights. The hard part is swallowing the upfront cost. Hope this helps.

Wow, yeah you helped out. Ok, I'll check out the links to see what kind of fun stuff I find. Good looking out. I'll keep you posted.

virulient said:

These people are trying to help you. 13w isn't enough to do a whole lot. For the same price, or slightly more (but MUCH better $ per watt), you can get a better version of the same thing. While that may not have been your main question, human nature is to try to help you. IF you know the other options as well as you say you do, then you would know $98 for a 13w light bulb is ridiculous. You can get the same thing for cheaper. You can get BETTER for less dollars per watt. I'm not sure why I'm even posting this. You'll just complain about it.

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I think the point you're missing is that the lights in question claim to....
I dont know why I'm posting this. You'll just misinterpret it.
people are dumb...forget I started this thread

If you check LED Wholesalers Better Business Bureau rating they have a "F" for good reason. My advice to anyone looking to use led as primary supplemental whatever - research the hell out of the company you're considering. Unfortunately there are way too many people out there looking to sell you crap leds which is giving this tech a bad name. I owned one of their 2w diode 90w ufos. I was not happy and later sold it.

I dont know if it would increase your yields by much...if I were you, I would get one or two 90 watt blue led grow lights...i read that cannabis uses the red part of the spectrum to determine day length, but is also capable of using blue light for photosynthesis. This suggests that one could run blue LEDs at night without disturbing the flowering process. That, i think would be the biggest advantage of getting LEDs for supplemental lighting. You could also get an induction light or two...something like this: http://www.hydroponicshut.com/50-watt-plasma-induction-grow-lamp-hydroponics-hut.html Full spectrum, and lasts over a decade...