120W LED + Rainforest 66 + Papaya

Been using a 350w LED for awhile... stopped posting due to rude posts.

206.. sorry to see your thread got shit on... maybe this will shut them up. everything was grown from clone to flower using LEDs. Flowered under 350w LED for 5 weeks, then threw under a 1000w hps to finish them off (haven't had the 350w led long enough to finish an entire crop under it--but plan on soon because of promising results).

In fact, I couldn't be more pleased. Dried bud was flowered under LED for 4 weeks, then under 1000w HPS for 4 weeks. Just as good as HPS alone. 5 weeks at LED looks great. Have tried 4 week LED followed by 4 week HPS--results good. Currently trying 3 and 5 weeks at LED now finishing under HPS. Cycle under LED now will finish entirely under LED.

I use CO2. Both lights are in the same room, but don't really overlap.

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pics 2 and 3 are plants flowered under led for 5 weeks, been under HPS for 3 days now.
pic 5 is the plants (pics 2+3) when they were under LED (week before they were transferred to HPS)
pic 4 is the bud flowered 4 weeks under LED and 4 under HPS. Yiled was slightly smaller than HPS alone (but it has to do with not being used to how LEDs work.... usually only flower 10 plants under HPS, with LED I can up it to 16 to get the same yield)
pic 1 is a current pic of the led light with a fresh crop put in couple days ago

that is too cool for school repvip ....u usin a stinkbud system right ...i just built one ....gonna run it for first tonight ........so they use led first ..what 4 weeks ...then finish with a HID ......i bet you are gettin a good efficiency with that

that is what i would think ....cause first ...well at least 3 weeks of bloom its all growth and then they finally start to popcorn up ....at which point a HID would rock .....this website is awesome +rep if it will let me give you some

Also, genetics will be playing a huge role as usual.

Have you ever grown that strain before, 206?

Perhaps... that particular plant is a dud. It happens all the time. Unless you know exactly how your plant behaves under normal circumstances you cant judge how they are acting under LED....

Light movers make a big difference. Somebody needs to invent a UFO spinner I'd buy it for real. Any little movement like that helps.

Thanks doc! What the hell, I unlocked my LED album--check it out while you can.

Now be nice to us LED people! We have spent a lot of money and time doing this... you are lucky we are showing you anything.

Sorry to hijack, 206. It just makes me so angry.

Ap0c0leS said:

Wait green light? What the heck is that usefull for becides looking at your plants at night. And by the way LED greens are much simplier and more pure. They have Green LED light Hats to check on your crop during the dark cycle lol

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That's just the green ones, on which a lumens rating is reliable, and the green ones are for working amongst your crop during the dark cycle. The red and blue ones can't be given an accurate lumen rating but they are pretty intense. Though I am loathe to say it, I'd say they're about 4700-4800 'lumens', almost as bright as my 6500K T5HOs.

Seriously, when I first saw them I thought it was a massive LED grow, because I could only see inside the tent, I couldn't see the top of the tent. Once I stuck my head in and looked up, ouch!!!!!!!!

And I won't dive on LEDs. I've always had great results using them for vegetative herbs like basil, rosemary, thyme, even small pepper bushes. I've seen one full LED grow, and the results were impressive only because of the method of dense clones put immediately into flowering as soon as they had enough of a root system, which made it pretty much a bud stick. I still see that "finished with 1000w HPS" and I'd like to see "pure 350w from clone to veg to flower to harvest" and I'd allow the addition of as many UVB LEDs you can throw in there for flowering because I *REALLY* want to see the maximum potential, not in just yield but in potency.

yea that would be interesting to know ...what they can do start to finish .....if anybody has the ability what leds can do its repvip with his NFT/Aero setup

o and repvip i use to have a cat like that in your pic his name was bobby ....good markings too had perfect white boots and markings were perfect on his face

Thanks repvip, those are great pics. To everyone who commented about it, I will still post harvest pics + dry weight and a smoke report and even do some occasional updates, but I just need to spend less time on here for a bit, it is summer afterall.

repvip said:

Also, genetics will be playing a huge role as usual.

Have you ever grown that strain before, 206?

Perhaps... that particular plant is a dud. It happens all the time. Unless you know exactly how your plant behaves under normal circumstances you cant judge how they are acting under LED....

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I do think the phenotype was really strange and possibly the cause. I've been vegging mango, double gum and G13 from seed in soil while at the same time vegging 3 papaya clones and a thai s-skunk clone in soil. They have all been under the same lights and conditions but the papayas look like SHIT compared to all the other plants, which are super bushy even the s-skunk which is sativa. See pics below.

Pic 1: Original papaya @ day 18 veg (from seed)
Pic 2: Papaya clone @ day 21 veg (wtf?)
Pic 3: Mangos & Double Gums @ day 21 veg (from seed)
Pic 4: Double Gum closeup @ day 21 veg

Despite the papaya being in aero w/ 120w and the clones and new seeds being in soil w/ 55w the growth rate is in the same ballpark. The 55w plants are much bushier and just healthier looking than the papaya was, which is why I think the genetics just screwed me here. I will probably kill off the papaya clones and be done with this strain after harvest and use mango next aero grow instead.

Great thread! LEDs seem to be getting better all the time so sooner or later they will get to the point where more of us will be using them. Getting ahead of the game is a good thing! Keep up the good work and let us see how it comes out (got to see some LED bud bro). Thanks for the good work!! Reps

This LED grow is worth bookmarking: http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1535752&page=7

llol its funny you should say that about it being summer and gettin outside

i am a kinda strange individual myself i have a type of rolling bedtime .....for some reason i dont work well with a 24 hour day .......if i stay up till say 4 in the morning i will sleep regularly ....wake up and next day i will go to sleep around 6 or 7 in the morning ........and it keeps on rolling forward a few hours each day ...i think maybe im from a diff planet with a diff eliptical cycle

anyways i thought it was funny about sunlight ..cause my whole house is blacked up so i dont even see sunlight unless i go outside ...which is not very often at all ....this is not healthy tho ....i think sunlight gives you some kind of vitamins ......

i am home literally like all the time .....i figure its like i am training for growing medicine ...hardcore style

soon i will be released from my cage as a Mean-Green-Growing-Machine

till then .....despite all my rage i am still just a rat in a cage ......cept i have some budddds lol take it easy 206

doktorgreenthumb420 said:

till then .....despite all my rage i am still just a rat in a cage ......cept i have some budddds lol take it easy 206

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Nice one Doktor...

The new plants are looking nice 206.

I have a question for you growers who have grown with LEDs from start to finish.
Would you say the buds are dense compared to growing with HPS bulbs?

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anyways i thought it was funny about sunlight ..cause my whole house is blacked up so i dont even see sunlight unless i go outside ...which is not very often at all ....this is not healthy tho ....i think sunlight gives you some kind of vitamins ......

i am home literally like all the time .....

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That's not healthy at all, man... go get some sunlight!

Nice looking new plants, 206. That's weird the Papaya is growing differently than it did the first time; it should be the same genetic makeup. Let's all hope it was just a "dud" papaya and these other babies will treat you right.

I just built my custom LED aero/hydro mix setup for my new mothers, and I'm stoked! I'll have my first ladies next week!

C2C

Thanks for sticking with LED all the way through.
We are all learning from this.
Would you say your biggest "dissapointment" is the lack of big buds ??
please take pix of the biggest buds, please !!
F the Haters, what you are doing is scientifically experimenting and if you changed things up mid-way through then this experiment would lose much of its value !!!
When Harvested, Let us know approx. how much you will have spent on materials (including tent/rainforest 66/lights, which are re-usable) and electricity vs. weed output.

Thanks Again !!

just thought yall should see my new dumbo rat ....its a professional rat ...heeh she is sittin on top of huge kush plant


im not into sprinkles and kitties and puppies ....but i thought this would be a nice little change of scenery


o i got my stinksystem up and runnin using gh nutes and its been 3 days ....just now got the timer for on 1 min off 5 ......this system i can tell has some major advantages ...

..i need to build the veg system and change nutes so i can really emulate Professor Stinkbud

Hey guys, just wanted to post some updated pics real quick. If I sounded a little insecure about my LED + Papaya the last few posts its because I probably was. The papaya has become an afterthought in the last few weeks while I've worked with the new strains, but I'm trying to do a better job now and salvage the best harvest possible. The bottom line is I know the light was not at fault here and that my next rainforest grow will be in a whole new league.

To answer the question someone asked, yes the lack of big buds has been the biggest disappointment. Not pruning any lower growth during veg or even early in flowering was a huge mistake, there are seriously 100 or more bud sites on this plant so I don't think the top colas ever had a chance when it comes to size. If you look at pic 1 below, there is actually about 2 feet of plant further down I just can't fit everything in these shots anymore.

To the other person who asked, yes it is still under 120w led only. It is still mounted diagonally instead of overhead, which killed a ton of reflectivity and is another big factor here.

Pic 1: Wide shot w/ LED on
Pic 2: Closer shot w/ LED off

206,
I think you are right about the light. Your growth seems very good, more than adequate for a LED/First time grow. I definitly think that with some tweaks to your process your harvest will get bigger and bigger. Fuck the haters. You are growing herb not performing surgery.

Just wanted to do a quick update on the soil plants for those that might be interested. This is mainly an R&D grow to isolate the best phenotypes and also see how LEDs work w/ a soil medium.

Back row: Mango, Mango, Mango
Front row: Double Gum, G13 Haze, Double Gum

The left and center mangos are getting chopped soon since I'm looking for short + bushy attributes. I have a feeling they are males anyways. The right mango is a keeper for now.

Both of the double gums are awesome, I really like this strain so far. I think the right one might turn out to be male but I will use it for breeding if thats the case.

The G13 had the most prolific lower growth but I took 4 clones from it yesterday. Here is a pic of those as well.

Very healthy looking plants, my friend... good work. Looking forward to the results!

LED best for SOG? not enough punch in that light for such a large plant. The veg looked great but when it came time to flower the papaya.... what happened?