2 dead in school shooting in KY

abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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whitebb2727 said:
That's just not true. If it was then we wouldn't have the number of gun deaths we do.

You keep saying that your kids are trained and whatnot. Fact is they still can do something stupid and regrettable. No amount of attention or love can stop that. Kids minds are not fully developed. The chance is there.
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Having helped run several company range days as a go-to range cadre junior NCO for a couple of years with the m249, it is my experience that the guys who considered themselves proficient before they enlisted and talked incessantly about all the shooting they did with their drunk dad were the ones most likely to be handed a form 4856 before the end of the day. Of course, it is only a generalization and it is completely different to fire belt fed than magazine fed. I have seen some stupid shit. One guy even got up and started kicking the cocking handle in order to get his bolt unjammed while his battle buddy was behind it. Those guys were fresh from jump school though and hadn't deployed yet.

I would never leave it to a kid to just be responsible.
 
whitebb2727

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abandonconflict said:
Having helped run several company range days as a go-to range cadre junior NCO for a couple of years with the m249, it is my experience that the guys who considered themselves proficient before they enlisted and talked incessantly about all the shooting they did with their drunk dad were the ones most likely to be handed a form 4856 before the end of the day. Of course, it is only a generalization and it is completely different to fire belt fed than magazine fed. I have seen some stupid shit. One guy even got up and started kicking the cocking handle in order to get his bolt unjammed while his battle buddy was behind it. Those guys were fresh from jump school though and hadn't deployed yet.

I would never leave it to a kid to just be responsible.
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I know one thing for sure. I have done some stupid things. Its human to do so. I don't consider myself to be stupid but I've done my fair share of dumb things. They happen in an instant and can't be taken back.
 
Lucky Luke

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I'm not anti gun. I grew up with a .22 long rifle as far back as I can remember. I "inherited" it from my old man around the same time I got a QR 50 and a short board with a big lightning bolt on the bottom (was even a twin fin!)

The rifle was even taken to school on the odd Fridays for some shooting at a mates farm and back to school on the Monday for its journey home. Times have changed. Maybe movies are partly to blame. America seems to make allot of movies with guns..even its "Cops" show has lots of guns in it. I know for certain that if I get pulled over by a police officer tomorrow he wont be ordering me out of the car or have his gun drawn.......

America has a problem. Kudus to White to bring attention to it in a non flamatry fashion.
 
Tangerine_

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abandonconflict said:
Having helped run several company range days as a go-to range cadre junior NCO for a couple of years with the m249, it is my experience that the guys who considered themselves proficient before they enlisted and talked incessantly about all the shooting they did with their drunk dad were the ones most likely to be handed a form 4856 before the end of the day. Of course, it is only a generalization and it is completely different to fire belt fed than magazine fed. I have seen some stupid shit. One guy even got up and started kicking the cocking handle in order to get his bolt unjammed while his battle buddy was behind it. Those guys were fresh from jump school though and hadn't deployed yet.

I would never leave it to a kid to just be responsible.
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Not really related, but your post made me think of the convo I had with my son before he left to sign "the contract" a couple of days ago. Before he left, I asked him one last time in the most sincere, genuine yet supportive way I knew how, if this is truly what he wanted. Because once he signs, there's no turning back.
His answer was simple. He believes its the only path to his dream of working for INF&WL or as Game Warden. He's already very proficient with hunting, trapping, canoe, kayak, basic survival, first responder, and has 2 yrs of Criminal Justice. Its still not enough in his mind. He believes he needs the military training/experience as well.

So while he's never been on a drunken hunting trip I can definitely agree with what you're saying.

Game Warden positions don't open up very often because these guys usually retire out rather than move on to other fields. When the positions do open up, they are very competitive.
I'm just rambling at this point because I'm still not sure how I feel about it.
 
abandonconflict

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Tangerine_ said:
Not really related, but your post made me think of the convo I had with my son before he left to sign "the contract" a couple of days ago. Before he left, I asked him one last time in the most sincere, genuine yet supportive way I knew how, if this is truly what he wanted. Because once he signs, there's no turning back.
His answer was simple. He believes its the only path to his dream of working for INF&WL or as Game Warden. He's already very proficient with hunting, trapping, canoe, kayak, basic survival, first responder, and has 2 yrs of Criminal Justice. Its still not enough in his mind. He believes he needs the military training/experience as well.

So while he's never been on a drunken hunting trip I can definitely agree with what you're saying.

Game Warden positions don't open up very often because these guys usually retire out rather than move on to other fields. When the positions do open up, they are very competitive.
I'm just rambling at this point because I'm still not sure how I feel about it.
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If he's that determined to get good training then he will do well in it. That will get him to a good unit and a good unit means everything. If he goes to Bragg or Campbell and his platoon sergeant likes him, he'll go to Ranger school quick.
 
Lucky Luke

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Tangerine_ said:
Not really related, but your post made me think of the convo I had with my son before he left to sign "the contract" a couple of days ago. Before he left, I asked him one last time in the most sincere, genuine yet supportive way I knew how, if this is truly what he wanted. Because once he signs, there's no turning back.
His answer was simple. He believes its the only path to his dream of working for INF&WL or as Game Warden. He's already very proficient with hunting, trapping, canoe, kayak, basic survival, first responder, and has 2 yrs of Criminal Justice. Its still not enough in his mind. He believes he needs the military training/experience as well.

So while he's never been on a drunken hunting trip I can definitely agree with what you're saying.

Game Warden positions don't open up very often because these guys usually retire out rather than move on to other fields. When the positions do open up, they are very competitive.
I'm just rambling at this point because I'm still not sure how I feel about it.
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Interesting how the same jobs in different countries must look for different criteria. Here Military service would not make a difference. Horticulture, Animal husbandry, Environmental science etc are much more valued as is any voluntary service like in Vets, at animal parks, SES (State emergency services), Local volunteer fire brigades etc.

But yes, very hard to get into here as well. Any new blood seems to be early 20's and straight out of University and there then in for life.

Hope your boy stays safe.
 
Cold$moke

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whitebb2727 said:
I know one thing for sure. I have done some stupid things. Its human to do so. I don't consider myself to be stupid but I've done my fair share of dumb things. They happen in an instant and can't be taken back.
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In other words you want your kids to be better then you , right?

Whats the differnece betweens your kid and the 12 year old girls parents.

Youll probably find your a much better parent.

And i bet that little girl never went hunting with her daddy :)
 
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Cold$moke

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abandonconflict said:
Having helped run several company range days as a go-to range cadre junior NCO for a couple of years with the m249, it is my experience that the guys who considered themselves proficient before they enlisted and talked incessantly about all the shooting they did with their drunk dad were the ones most likely to be handed a form 4856 before the end of the day. Of course, it is only a generalization and it is completely different to fire belt fed than magazine fed. I have seen some stupid shit. One guy even got up and started kicking the cocking handle in order to get his bolt unjammed while his battle buddy was behind it. Those guys were fresh from jump school though and hadn't deployed yet.

I would never leave it to a kid to just be responsible.
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Would love to hear some of your military experience.

I respect the services a lot
2nd dan. And a m249 range master

Mabey i need classes from you?
 
abandonconflict

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Cold$moke said:
Would love to hear some of your military experience.

I respect the services a lot
2nd dan. And a m249 range master

Mabey i need classes from you?
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Well why don't we both send our dd214's to @rollitup and maybe if you learn to use proper English, I will teach you a thing or two. Also, I didn't say I was a "range master", which I think is a type of oven. I said I was part of a range cadre and that my company sent me a few times over the course of a couple of years to fulfill that detail.

Before you proceed with learning ballistics and trajectories, I suggest brushing up on your reading and writing skills. The pen is mightier than the sword.
 
Cold$moke

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Ballistics and trajectories are big words for guys to use to other people that dont shoot lol.

They sound impressive but really not.
Bullets fall when they fly..
Faster ones fall less quickly.

Theres trajectory in a nut shell for ya :)
 
whitebb2727

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Cold$moke said:
Ballistics and trajectories are big words for guys to use to other people that dont shoot lol.

They sound impressive but really not.
Bullets fall when they fly..
Faster ones fall less quickly.

Theres trajectory in a nut shell for ya :)
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Not true. Those big words are used by a lot of shooters. Especially snipers or long range competition shooting.

You seriously think because someone is educated and uses proper English they don't shoot?
 
Cold$moke

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whitebb2727 said:
Not true. Those big words are used by a lot of shooters. Especially snipers or long range competition shooting.

You seriously think because someone is educated and uses proper English they don't shoot?
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Not what i said at all. At least not how i meant it

just thats what normal guys say to impress non shooters .... alot. Like when a guy says a 1911 is perfect for a beginner shooter lol

I know my balistic values and charts well enough.
Snipers would be talking in mills and moa . (Which are a part of a ballistic computation )

Very handy for reloaders though .
I love my dillon 650b :)
 
abandonconflict

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Back on track though from before the desperate sidetracking...

So the guy who "knows how real shooters talk" is the same guy who thinks kids don't do stupid shit. He "shoots more ammo downrange than ___ makes in a year" but also thinks a holster is a deterrent to a would be child firearm incident.

/therad
 
Fogdog

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Cold$moke said:
Not what i said at all. At least not how i meant it

just thats what normal guys say to impress non shooters .... alot. Like when a guy says a 1911 is perfect for a beginner shooter lol

I know my balistic values and charts well enough.
Snipers would be talking in mills and moa . (Which are a part of a ballistic computation )

Very handy for reloaders though .
I love my dillon 650b :)
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Cold$moke said:
Bullets fall when they fly..
Faster ones fall less quickly.
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"I know my balistic values and charts well enough."
"Faster bullets fall less quickly"

says all one needs to know about what you don't know:)
 
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