2 teaspoons/gallon Dyna-Gro bloom to reach 650PPM

I have heard about the salts congealing at the bottom on some of these products. It happens to many different products as they sit on the shelf over time. So it's not just a DG issue. I try to get fresh bottles and I always shake them right before purchase to make sure there are no solids inside. My DG products (all gallon sizes) are over a year old and have no issues at all.

Food is weird. I've used several products over the years and I had so many issues I gave up quite a few times. Then someone introduced me to DG a year ago and I have never looked back. Amazing in veg for every single plant I have grown since. Come bloom time tho you have to watch very closely if doing a new grow. I noticed the leaves turning light green rather quickly when I only used the Bloom during transition and 4 weeks into flower. This happened to many different types of plants. Once I started adding the FP they stayed green throughout the grow until I stopped using it the last 2 weeks.

The generic may work but the DG products are made to work well with each other, or so it seems to me. Give your way a shot and see if they start greening up. GL

Hotwired said:

I have heard about the salts congealing at the bottom on some of these products. It happens to many different products as they sit on the shelf over time. So it's not just a DG issue. I try to get fresh bottles and I always shake them right before purchase to make sure there are no solids inside. My DG products (all gallon sizes) are over a year old and have no issues at all.

Food is weird. I've used several products over the years and I had so many issues I gave up quite a few times. Then someone introduced me to DG a year ago and I have never looked back. Amazing in veg for every single plant I have grown since. Come bloom time tho you have to watch very closely if doing a new grow. I noticed the leaves turning light green rather quickly when I only used the Bloom during transition and 4 weeks into flower. This happened to many different types of plants. Once I started adding the FP they stayed green throughout the grow until I stopped using it the last 2 weeks.

The generic may work but the DG products are made to work well with each other, or so it seems to me. Give your way a shot and see if they start greening up. GL

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Awesome info. Helps me a lot, you have no idea. I don't like that I introduced urea nitrogen, but I am on the tail-end of my grow formula, which is different, as you know, from FP. It's started to cystallize, though (my DG Grow, which has higher nitrogen). So I'm careful with it. My main concern now, is getting those nitrogen-deficient plants up to par for when I start feeding with just water. If youfollowed the experiemnt, it's obvious that I was feeding with no drain-off. Which is why I flushed 3 plants out of 28 as a test. And I only did it at a 1:2 - 1:1.5 ratio. 1 gallon pot, 1.5 gallons of water.

hotrodharley said:

Yep. But I'm not the one,with fucked plants, boy. Boy.

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This community is centered around growers helping each other. You're not in the Toke N Talk section. Here, the idea is to foster proper growing methods, to help one another out. Not condemn someone because they are reaching out.

hotrodharley said:

You're too fucking stupid to read the plant so you need meters and online help. Dipshit. I was growing while you were still hanging in your daddy's little nuts. Boy.

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I read the plant. It said it had a nitrogen deficiency. I was feeding high levels of nutrients already, so I reached out. You're just a toxic algae bloom in a reservoir. That's what you are. A mean, nasty person.

gjs, are you able to put up pics? That would help a lot. how big are the containers you're using for the soil?

gjs4786 said:

This community is centered around growers helping each other. You're not in the Toke N Talk section. Here, the idea is to foster proper growing methods, to help one another out. Not condemn someone because they are reaching out.

I read the plant. It said it had a nitrogen deficiency. I was feeding high levels of nutrients already, so I reached out. You're just a toxic algae bloom in a reservoir. That's what you are. A mean, nasty person.

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Kiss my nutsack. You're the rude little twerp, bitch. Read your first response to me. Does your mom know you're growing?

hotrodharley said:

Kiss my nutsack. You're the rude little twerp, bitch. Read your first response to me. Does your mom know you're growing?

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I don't have to read my response. You repeated questions that I had already answered. So I knew you were being a smart ass. That's how this began. Plus, I read the forum. I see negative comments from you all the time. I also read very positive comments from you on on this forum. Let's just not reply to each other anymore.

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gjs, are you able to put up pics? That would help a lot. how big are the containers you're using for the soil?

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I'll be glad to post pictures and additional info. I want to make sure the thread isn't toxic anymore (both myself and hotrod). I don't want to be further belittled for posting pics. I hope you understand. There are some older pics (couple weeks or so) in the link in my sig, @ https://www.rollitup.org/t/experiment-5x5-1000w-hid-ffof-dyna-gro-40-1-gallon-fabric-pots.973088/

Some things and don't take this stuff the wrong way. This is just as I see your grow right now. I could be wrong. Here goes:
When I first read your thread, that you're using both DG fert and FFOF, I thought that might be a mistake because that soil has nutrients already. Maybe enough to last an entire grow provided you put plants in a large enough container. That way there would be enough to last a long time. I think you're over doing it on the fert. You also have leaves in early photos that show strange curling which might be typical of pH problems. When you add nutrients to soil that has nutrients, you have no idea what the pH is. I bet the soil pH is pretty low, too acidic.
Also you put a lot of plants in that space. People need to remember that plants will grow and need space. I would have put half as many plants in there.
You have what looks like yellow leaf tips which is usually indicative of over fert.
It would be nice to have recent pics, taken kind of up close to see leaf colors, and taken in white light.
I would stop the DG fert for now and see how they do. Don't flush, just give water when the soil is dry. Let the soil dry out quite a bit before you water. Make sure that the air temp isn't too warm.
It's been a while since I've seen the back of a DG bottle, but years ago it said that the amount for soil was 1/4 to 1/2 tsp per gallon of water. 2 tsps. sounds like way too much.

polishpollack said:

Some things and don't take this stuff the wrong way. This is just as I see your grow right now. I could be wrong. Here goes:
When I first read your thread, that you're using both DG fert and FFOF, I thought that might be a mistake because that soil has nutrients already. Maybe enough to last an entire grow provided you put plants in a large enough container. That way there would be enough to last a long time. I think you're over doing it on the fert. You also have leaves in early photos that show strange curling which might be typical of pH problems. When you add nutrients to soil that has nutrients, you have no idea what the pH is. I bet the soil pH is pretty low, too acidic.
Also you put a lot of plants in that space. People need to remember that plants will grow and need space. I would have put half as many plants in there.
You have what looks like yellow leaf tips which is usually indicative of over fert.
It would be nice to have recent pics, taken kind of up close to see leaf colors, and taken in white light.
I would stop the DG fert for now and see how they do. Don't flush, just give water when the soil is dry. Let the soil dry out quite a bit before you water. Make sure that the air temp isn't too warm.

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Not taken wrong the wrong way at all. So, I am actually feeding only water right now, and will continue to do so. As far as FFOF soil goes, it's not good for the whole grow. I don't doubt people have gotten away with it, but it wouldn't be optimal conditions. I didn't fertilize for the first 4 weeks of veg. I switched to flower around 4.5 weeks. They started to show deficiencies, so I started light bloom ferts. That woke them up quite nicely.

So, the problems really started right around the start of this thread, which was Sunday night, about 5 weeks into a ~9 week flower. As fir pH, the pH is fine. I tested all of them with a proper meter. Not one of those moisture/light/ph things.

I think the issue is, I shouldn't have watered without 20% runoff. i was giving these plants 3 oz a day for a while. That's all they needed. It was an experiment in itself. "micro watering" (WARNING: Only do it with organic grows) I was also fertilizing every other watering. So, I'm thinking it's a nute lock-up of some sort.

It should be worth noting that I watered with plain water once a week until around 30-40% runoff. But I'm thinking it wasn't enough. The reason I have so many plants, is because I wanted to do a SOG. The seeds I had came from what I thought was a cross between a male and female of the same strain. Turned out, they were all herm seeds. So they were all female. So I had 40 plants, when I expected to have 20. 20 would have been less than a plant per square foot in my 5x5. Just fine for a 5x5 1K HID. A bunch of them hermed, and I killed them. I can't remember the current count, but I think it's 21-25. I'll post pictures for you either tonight or tomorrow. But it's a lot less crowded in there. Whatever is going on in their rootzone, I'm not going to worry about. because I'll never grow w/o runoff again w/o some sort of super soil. And I'm pretty sure that's why they aren't happy. As I say in my sig thread - Experiment failed...but I plan to smoke this stuff so the more the better I just smoked some recently actually, from the herms I cut. I'm blazed. Good shit.

Another possibility, is that because there is so little, if anything, on "micro watering," I might have been fine if I only gacve like 100-150ppm of nutes each time, if not less, considering I was watering and feeding much more often. It's not one of those things that clicks until you learn it from experience, lol. I've enjoyed this grow very much despite the issues.

Here are some pics at lights off:

3, 4 weeks left tops. I want to correct the problem, as you can see there's some good potential here.

Notice how some are super green, too much nitrogen, but at the same time some have yellowing leaves, but the tops are clawing down. I think I f'd them w/ the moronic idea of using soluble fertilizer in a non-drain method. Just don't do it. Learn from my mistakes

@hotrodharley I'd welcome your input now that you know a little back story, and have seen some pics. I know you're an experienced grower. I'm trying to be that too. As long as we can be cordial to each other, I don't see why we can't get along. Hope you feel the same way.

This same strain grown under a generic HPS vs a Hortilux as above, same camera, same settings:

On the left, a white hybrid. On the right, strain I'm growing now. The hortilux has definitently increased trichome production. The green one (one I'm growing now) could pass for that White hybrid on the left. Such a big difference.

Dynagro SHOULD NOT HAVE bits , gravel , rattle or anything like that. It has the propensity to separate in solution... hence the rocky shit at bottom. To compensate , I used to soak bottle in a warm to hot water bath to reconstitute it . It was a hassle but it worked you have to shake it well ALL THE TIME.

Shelf life is it’s biggest crutch.

As far as bloom , you are naturally on a LOWER nitro feed by design. I never need to throw over 8-900 ppm total ( bloom only ) at it , with occasional silica added. The girls look fine . They are pulling from the leaves , which they will do anyways. FFOF is pretty nitrogen charged. An EASIER WAY to boost nitro ( if you have too ) is to make some tea from the FFOF ... cheesecloth bag of soil .

It’s guano heavy , and will do the trick . PLUS you can scratch in some into topsoil too.

Dynagro has a couple of confusing feed schedules as some this way and another say that way.
For a 3-5 gallon pot of FFOF soil container , I NEVER had to add more than 1CAPFUL per gallon of water for feed. For transition , I did a 50/50 Dynagro / dynagro bloom for that week. But the bloom by itself carried the grow til harvest. Foliage Pro is the better grow mix .... for veg.

When I used FFOF , it carried the plant by itself... water only for 5 weeks before showing tapping out . Hence the 50/50 mix .

Two things: I've never heard of micro watering and it doesn't sound good. I'd always water until I'd get a small amount of runoff, then stop. It looks like you might be over-thinking your grow.
I might be easy to mistake what looks like deficiency as low nutrients when it's actually the opposite. I'd try growing in a large container of FFOF without added nutes and see how a plant does, just as an experiment.