2 weeks into my first grow

MickFoster

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I don't know if that's your problem but regardless of the so-called quality of the coco I always soak it twice with 1/4 strength nutes, pH'd at 5.8 and SM-90.
 
I don't know if that's your problem but regardless of the so-called quality of the coco I always soak it twice with 1/4 strength nutes, pH'd at 5.8 and SM-90.
I only soaked my cups once an waited for the excess to drain. I placed the seed and waited till it sprouted. From they're I was fingering the coco and watered when I thought they were dry. I'm curious about watering twice though.
 
Alright then. Let's clear up some mud. Yes, you have overwatered. The little one likely sagged to begin with because of the soil or cup or the first overwatering. Roots will slow down if the twig is too close to bright light. Twigs in the process of growing roots and becoming clones do not require much light and they do not like to be moved around a lot. Keep a detailed record. (I use a callendar). This way you can always look back for better timing. Let it dry out before watering. Watch the leaves...especially the jagged edges. Pointing towards the light even though the branch or leaf is currently sagging is good sign. It is recovering from shock. If it stays sagging and all the folliage turns light it will likely die. (I started recording what I was doing and less plants have died as a result). Please stop it. These plants basically tell you...when and what they need. Be carefull of how much you dispense at one watering as well. Why? *The reason the plant has shocked from overwatering? Answer: even roots which live in darkness and seemingly lacking oxygen does not. Roots need oxygen! Ok, smart guy you ask...how do they survive underwater in hydroponics? Answer: even water carries oxygen. Fish live in it and thrive. You could actually grow these herbs in mud...provided you feed the root structure with ample oxygen. The term is "water locked". Roots sitting in stagnant water run out of oxygen quickly then the whole plant suffers.
Hope this helps.
 

rickyrozayyy

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Always good to flush the soil before you plant with it.. I start off in 1 gal bags.. flush the soil.. then plant. Works everytime bro
 
Alright then. Let's clear up some mud. Yes, you have overwatered. The little one likely sagged to begin with because of the soil or cup or the first overwatering. Roots will slow down if the twig is too close to bright light. Twigs in the process of growing roots and becoming clones do not require much light and they do not like to be moved around a lot. Keep a detailed record. (I use a callendar). This way you can always look back for better timing. Let it dry out before watering. Watch the leaves...especially the jagged edges. Pointing towards the light even though the branch or leaf is currently sagging is good sign. It is recovering from shock. If it stays sagging and all the folliage turns light it will likely die. (I started recording what I was doing and less plants have died as a result). Please stop it. These plants basically tell you...when and what they need. Be carefull of how much you dispense at one watering as well. Why? *The reason the plant has shocked from overwatering? Answer: even roots which live in darkness and seemingly lacking oxygen does not. Roots need oxygen! Ok, smart guy you ask...how do they survive underwater in hydroponics? Answer: even water carries oxygen. Fish live in it and thrive. You could actually grow these herbs in mud...provided you feed the root structure with ample oxygen. The term is "water locked". Roots sitting in stagnant water run out of oxygen quickly then the whole plant suffers.
Hope this helps.
Right on! I popped 2 more beans in case these don't make it. I will be keeping a detailed record. Thanks for the input
 
I have trouble remembering to write it down in the first place. Memory loss is normal after a brain scramble. Haha Whenever I faulter going back to the basics always comes up with solutions. I think, "what should I do to achieve best results? And: By providing what this genetic plant needs as close to it's beginnings as possible. If it's mostly indica it will grow sturdy and wide and it likes 15 - 25deg Cell. Mostly sativa like it up to 30. Perlight simulates stones which equals drainage. Proper drainage= better root oxygen, which gives better photosynthesis.
 

Bbcchance

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Remember Coco is hydro growing, give smaller amounts of water, just do so more frequently, I also feed my coco plant early as @MickFoster said to do, Coco has no nutrients in it, I soak in water and thoroughly rinse my Coco right out of the bag(I use canna Coco bricks) I add in equal parts of pearlite to the rinsed Coco and then run another gallon of 5.5 phed water with epsom salts into the mixture and set in a tub with drainage holes in it for 24 hrs before putting it in starter cups (never clear) for the first week the seedlings come up I water them daily with a shot glass of water (ph5.5-5.8ish) I cover the glass with my hand and shake the piss out of it(to airrait)and water with that only, in the past I've had plants with similar issues to yours and it was caused by a combo of things, over watering(actually drowning out the o2 uptake from the roots) you can counter this by adding an air stone and keeping it wet (experimenting now)or by using less water, I have found that Coco does not like a dry period to say, but works best with frequent waterings of smaller amounts, I wasn't doing well at that at first, I also was giving too strong of light in the early stages, they don't need much when they are tiny so that thouey should be pretty far away at this point, also remember you are hydro, not soil, keep the pH in the 5.5-6 range for nutrient uptake, hope this helped...
 
Coco...Interesting. I went with regular grow mixed soil as a base. Then I mix in some perlite. Each twig starts in a soil Peet pick. On it's first potting it gets eggshells and worm castings from my own bin of worms. I only use fertilizer during budding. Unless the plant has spots resulting from depleted nutes.
 

Bbcchance

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Coco...Interesting. I went with regular grow mixed soil as a base. Then I mix in some perlite. Each twig starts in a soil Peet pick. On it's first potting it gets eggshells and worm castings from my own bin of worms. I only use fertilizer during budding. Unless the plant has spots resulting from depleted nutes.
Organic soil is always a good choice, I chose the Coco for the ease of disposal, I live in a large city and if for any reason I had to dispose of anything Coconut fibre burns nicely in a chininea soil not so much,and when hand watering to runoff it's less mechanical than regular Dwc or flood and drain/tube systems, so it cuts out a lot of the Rez/pump/airstone issues you watch for. At least it's a happy compromise for my situation, probably not for everyone, but few things are
 
I have trouble remembering to write it down in the first place. Memory loss is normal after a brain scramble. Haha Whenever I faulter going back to the basics always comes up with solutions. I think, "what should I do to achieve best results? And: By providing what this genetic plant needs as close to it's beginnings as possible. If it's mostly indica it will grow sturdy and wide and it likes 15 - 25deg Cell. Mostly sativa like it up to 30. Perlight simulates stones which equals drainage. Proper drainage= better root oxygen, which gives better photosynthesis.
Yeah, I can see how it would be difficult keeping a log of the day to day adventure but I'll keep a notepad by my tent and try to keep a log of everything I do and the reactions and kinda work it out from there.
 
Remember Coco is hydro growing, give smaller amounts of water, just do so more frequently, I also feed my coco plant early as @MickFoster said to do, Coco has no nutrients in it, I soak in water and thoroughly rinse my Coco right out of the bag(I use canna Coco bricks) I add in equal parts of pearlite to the rinsed Coco and then run another gallon of 5.5 phed water with epsom salts into the mixture and set in a tub with drainage holes in it for 24 hrs before putting it in starter cups (never clear) for the first week the seedlings come up I water them daily with a shot glass of water (ph5.5-5.8ish) I cover the glass with my hand and shake the piss out of it(to airrait)and water with that only, in the past I've had plants with similar issues to yours and it was caused by a combo of things, over watering(actually drowning out the o2 uptake from the roots) you can counter this by adding an air stone and keeping it wet (experimenting now)or by using less water, I have found that Coco does not like a dry period to say, but works best with frequent waterings of smaller amounts, I wasn't doing well at that at first, I also was giving too strong of light in the early stages, they don't need much when they are tiny so that thouey should be pretty far away at this point, also remember you are hydro, not soil, keep the pH in the 5.5-6 range for nutrient uptake, hope this helped...
I'll be following your shot glass aeration method and observing very closely. The new beans started to sprout so I'm assuming by midday tomorrow they'll be ready to go. I flushed the hell out of the 2 cups prior to placing the taproot in so idk if I should wait till it drys a bit or give it a shotglass once it goes into the tent. I'm aware of using the high powered light at this fragile point in they're lives but I feel it's high enough to not scorch them. I can't feel the beam on my hand an inch above the canopy and I'm constantly scanning the temp of the canopy and it's always in between 70/80. I will however lower my pH. I've been giving it anywhere from 5.8/6.3.
 
Coco...Interesting. I went with regular grow mixed soil as a base. Then I mix in some perlite. Each twig starts in a soil Peet pick. On it's first potting it gets eggshells and worm castings from my own bin of worms. I only use fertilizer during budding. Unless the plant has spots resulting from depleted nutes.
I was going to use soil at first but thought I'd mess up with feeding a naturally hot soil. Not to mention the hydro guy told me I could get better results using coco
 
I wondered about soil versus hydroponic earlier on. Because I grow on a disability soil on sale...Since I have to get some for the garden anyway it just works. I like the control because I have 4 cats and a dog. I clean up enough mess around my house.
 

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I wondered about soil versus hydroponic earlier on. Because I grow on a disability soil on sale...Since I have to get some for the garden anyway it just works. I like the control because I have 4 cats and a dog. I clean up enough mess around my house.
That's sweet. I can't wait till I can manage to get progress like that. How old is that one? I did however notice that on my older plants second set of true leaves that 2 additional leaves are growing so at least it's not dying. Yeah, I haven't started logging yet but my lights will be turning on in about 20 so I'll make sure to log whatever changes noticed and if I water. I'll definitely be updating the progress on the overwatered and the new babies.
 

ODOK

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So recreational just passed an I'm a total noob at this. I'm growing inside of a 4x4x7 tent with a 1000w air cooled bulb with Intake and outtake fans. I know I've overwatered but I don't know how to remedy this situation. Initially I was going to add more medium which is coco to the bottom and the top of my solo cup but idk if I should just wait until the cups are bone dry before watering. The roots are staying to appear towards the bottom of the cups and they look healthy. I always do the finger drill to check moistness but have a hard time figuring out whether it's moist or dry when the medium is cold. The first pic is from my oldest plant and the second is from a baby around a week and a half old from sprouting. I recently started using cal-mag as the owner at my local hydro store informed me coco is lacking and my initial plant looked like it was lacking calcium and magnesium. They've only been fed a quarter strength of fox farm nutrients every other watering an I'm constantly checking my pH prior to watering. I always let the water sit out a day or 2 while the chlorine dissolves before adding nutes etc. My second plant was looking great until Sunday when it starting sagging so I watered it and it stayed the same until this morning when it sagged even more. I watered again today as the lights came on. I'm nearly positive I'm overwatering. How can I remedy this? Any and all input will be greatly appreciated.
Quite possible I overlooked this, but what soil are you using? I see you are already using Fox Farm nutes. Could be a little too soon for those, either way it sounds they aren't thrilled about what they are in. I'm no expert, but Fox Farm Ocean Forrest has all the nutrients in it already so no need to add any additional nutes for quite a while. In my opinion, ditch those solo cups and transplant carefully. You'd be surprised how quickly those things run out of room to grow down their!
 
Quite possible I overlooked this, but what soil are you using? I see you are already using Fox Farm nutes. Could be a little too soon for those, either way it sounds they aren't thrilled about what they are in. I'm no expert, but Fox Farm Ocean Forrest has all the nutrients in it already so no need to add any additional nutes for quite a while. In my opinion, ditch those solo cups and transplant carefully. You'd be surprised how quickly those things run out of room to grow down their!
I'm using coco. A root or two have reached the bottom but they're not that well established so to speak
 
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