20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

Bird Gymnastics

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Just hit the "+ icon at the bottom right then when you are done adding all the quotes with the bottom icon, go to reply with quote and all the ones you "liked" will be there. Respond accordingly. So back to your thread, lol, what would be the premium for 50 cuts?
 

patrickkawi37

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Thank you very much CG! Your hobby is 5 times the size of mine and you still take time out to answer people's questions. If I decide to use the co2, duct tape all my ducting so no leaks, and run my ac all the time during lights on, I will have to compensate for the fresh air getting in. I guess I effd myself buying the ppm4 controller (I don't recommend, unless your as broke as me) it only gives you one of 3 ppm readings and I don't find it to be very accurate. Do you think if I start low and gradually raise it til week 5 then gradually turn it down 6-7, that it would benefit my plants without harming them? I really won't have an accurate reading.. I just would have to wing it and hope for the best. As far as fresh air in, I run my lights at night and sometimes it gets to 10f or less. I read in Cervantes book that it's not good to bring in air that cold? Also I'm trying to flip next run this week so fresh air in would require another hole in a rented house and a can filter, not in the budget this one. Sorry for rambling I guess I'm asking do you think I would be better off getting another boost bucket this one and just doing fresh air next one and return the co2? Or should I chance not having a steady ppm and hope for the best? Thank you for your time
 

Ty13

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how do I do multiple replies in one post?
There's a "Multi-Quote" button to the right of the "Reply With Quote" button.
Just hit the "+ icon at the bottom right then when you are done adding all the quotes with the bottom icon, go to reply with quote and all the ones you "liked" will be there. Respond accordingly. So back to your thread, lol, what would be the premium for 50 cuts?
Correct, check each one you'd like to reply to and hit the "Reply With Quote" when ready to reply to each. They will all show up in the order you checked them and you can reply in between each one. Just reply below each one that is "wrapped" inside the quote tags.
 

recirculator

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\ do you think I would be better off getting another boost bucket this one and just doing fresh air next one and return the co2? Or should I chance not having a steady ppm and hope for the best? Thank you for your time
Those boost buckets don't work. Don't waste your money. Much better value to buy a few hamsters:grin:. I bought one of those CO2 Boost buckets once and held the output hose right up to my co2 monitor and nothing. No change whatsoever. Then I breathed on it and it shot up (the co2 monitor that is).

Happy Happy
 

kamie

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I have not. I have seen quite a few "Tahoe" grows that were not real Tahoe. In this month's High Times there is a great pic of Tahoe in the "Top 10 Breeders" section. Ours looks exactly like that...even a little better. Tahoe is such a unique plant. Those little pointy and near leafless buds are hard to mistake. It's a hard plant to grow that would NEVER survive in nature. This plant takes a while to get used to growing. It must be topped a couple times to bush it up some. It also needs support. The thing is a nute hog, as well...sucking up 1500ppm with no problem. One day with bad light and it stretches enough to fuck your yield by 25%+. But, after learning its quirks, I am now happy to have her on board. In fact, I just took 50 cut of Tahoe. I may run a whole 8x8 tray of her.

It may also be one of the most "in demand" So Cal strains. The dispensary we deal with carries 70+ strains. They have a very strict maximum price policy (on what they charge and what they pay wholesale). BUT, they made an exception for our Tahoe. They pay us their max price + $500/lb. They sell it as a "limitted supply" strain, and charge accordingly...alot, with no breaks for quantity. The last 1/2 lb we brought them was gone in one day. If you can find a real Tahoe cut strong enough to grow...do it! This is THE definition of elite OG. I don't know how good the Cali Connection athoe seeds are. Initial reports aren't too good. Seems like there's 2 Tahoes going around: Tahoes grown from Cali Connection seeds which are readily available and decent quality, and the far superior "clone only" variety. Once again it pays to have great friends. We scored the clone only from Commercial J, who gave it to us for testing.

I'm SOOOO tempted to sell cuts of her. She'd command a premium price.

ill buy one. in the bay area everyone always wants that dark purple grapes. i wouldn't mind introducing something different
 

Fnominon

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Thank you very much CG! Your hobby is 5 times the size of mine and you still take time out to answer people's questions. If I decide to use the co2, duct tape all my ducting so no leaks, and run my ac all the time during lights on, I will have to compensate for the fresh air getting in. I guess I effd myself buying the ppm4 controller (I don't recommend, unless your as broke as me) it only gives you one of 3 ppm readings and I don't find it to be very accurate. Do you think if I start low and gradually raise it til week 5 then gradually turn it down 6-7, that it would benefit my plants without harming them? I really won't have an accurate reading.. I just would have to wing it and hope for the best. As far as fresh air in, I run my lights at night and sometimes it gets to 10f or less. I read in Cervantes book that it's not good to bring in air that cold? Also I'm trying to flip next run this week so fresh air in would require another hole in a rented house and a can filter, not in the budget this one. Sorry for rambling I guess I'm asking do you think I would be better off getting another boost bucket this one and just doing fresh air next one and return the co2? Or should I chance not having a steady ppm and hope for the best? Thank you for your time
If you can't afford a can filter I highly recommend steering clear of CO2, unless you live in the middle of no where. I have been running CO2 for over 4 years and I have seen it increase yields some of the time, increasing tricome production significantly, but the increase in the aroma is so strong that I run a 6" can fan, ionizer, sealed room, and have set up a rabbitry to cover the smell with poo and it is still noticable outside my house to the semi-trained nose.

If you can get away with the smell then I would recommend no matter what strategy you addopt to completely seal your room as air tight as possible. If you need to vent in outside air you want to be able to control what air is coming into your room and what air is going out. The idea is CO2 is heavier than air and heat rises so it makes sense to put your exhaust duct up on the ceiling so you wont exhaust much CO2 and you will get the greatest possible cooling. I have owned both a sential CO2 meter and the PPM4 meter and I don't think the PPM4 meter is necessarily inaccurate, but if your looking to change your PPM during your grow you have the wrong tool. If you had a sentinel you could can adjust your PPM levels with a click of a few buttons and you also have the ability to shut down your burner / tank while you cycle in fresh air. With the PPM4 you will have to build your own relay with a timer that shuts down your exhaust when your Meter is active. Honestly unless your talented with electronics I would not attempt this I would say with the meter you have your only real option is a sealed room running a constant 1400 PPM. You can adjust the CO2 strength a bit by positioning your meter at different heights in your room, if you want strong CO2 levels hang the meter above your canopy.
 

collective gardener

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Just hit the "+ icon at the bottom right then when you are done adding all the quotes with the bottom icon, go to reply with quote and all the ones you "liked" will be there. Respond accordingly. So back to your thread, lol, what would be the premium for 50 cuts?
I don't know. I'm not selling anything as of now. My long term goal is to someday sell the whole thing...the lease, grow op, genetics, and market. This will be when I'm ready to move on. I'm not quite there yet. LOL. Having too much fun.

Thank you very much CG! Your hobby is 5 times the size of mine and you still take time out to answer people's questions. If I decide to use the co2, duct tape all my ducting so no leaks, and run my ac all the time during lights on, I will have to compensate for the fresh air getting in. I guess I effd myself buying the ppm4 controller (I don't recommend, unless your as broke as me) it only gives you one of 3 ppm readings and I don't find it to be very accurate. Do you think if I start low and gradually raise it til week 5 then gradually turn it down 6-7, that it would benefit my plants without harming them? I really won't have an accurate reading.. I just would have to wing it and hope for the best. As far as fresh air in, I run my lights at night and sometimes it gets to 10f or less. I read in Cervantes book that it's not good to bring in air that cold? Also I'm trying to flip next run this week so fresh air in would require another hole in a rented house and a can filter, not in the budget this one. Sorry for rambling I guess I'm asking do you think I would be better off getting another boost bucket this one and just doing fresh air next one and return the co2? Or should I chance not having a steady ppm and hope for the best? Thank you for your time
If you can't get the CO2 perfect (which you can't with that equipment), do not use it. There's plenty of ways to promote good air circulation. If the outdoor air is too cold, why not bring in air from the main house? You can bring in cold air as long as it can warm up a bit before blasting on the plants. I use a little propane CO2 generator on a thermostat for a heater. It runs most of the night when outdoor temps are low. Even with my massive air flow (5000+ CFM), that little CAP generator raises the CO2 level a bit. My lighting fans are always on. The big exhaust fans are on a thermostat. Basically, when they're off (thus reducing airflow and potentially reducing CO2 levels), the CO2 gen is on (increasing temp and CO2 levels). The result is my CO2 levels are never below ambiant, and often 100-200 above ambiant, and my temps stay between 75 an 82 daytime, and around 65-70 at night. It's a "loose" system, but it works for now.

Our ultimate goal is to seal the room totally and enrich to around 800ppm. Sealed grows with total temp, RH, and CO2 control are clearly the way to go. But until you have all the equipment needed to do it totally right, lots of fresh air is the order of the day.
 

sharpshoota

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cg, when you start flushing are you using just Final?

Also, I know you do a weekly flush, but have you tried inoculating the rockwool with beneficial's?
 

patrickkawi37

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I don't know. I'm not selling anything as of now. My long term goal is to someday sell the whole thing...the lease, grow op, genetics, and market. This will be when I'm ready to move on. I'm not quite there yet. LOL. Having too much fun.



If you can't get the CO2 perfect (which you can't with that equipment), do not use it. There's plenty of ways to promote good air circulation. If the outdoor air is too cold, why not bring in air from the main house? You can bring in cold air as long as it can warm up a bit before blasting on the plants. I use a little propane CO2 generator on a thermostat for a heater. It runs most of the night when outdoor temps are low. Even with my massive air flow (5000+ CFM), that little CAP generator raises the CO2 level a bit. My lighting fans are always on. The big exhaust fans are on a thermostat. Basically, when they're off (thus reducing airflow and potentially reducing CO2 levels), the CO2 gen is on (increasing temp and CO2 levels). The result is my CO2 levels are never below ambiant, and often 100-200 above ambiant, and my temps stay between 75 an 82 daytime, and around 65-70 at night. It's a "loose" system, but it works for now.

Our ultimate goal is to seal the room totally and enrich to around 800ppm. Sealed grows with total temp, RH, and CO2 control are clearly the way to go. But until you have all the equipment needed to do it totally right, lots of fresh air is the order of the day.

Terrible news for me I guess. I previously ran this setup with that bs boost bucket with full AN line with 50% rh and 70 degrees. My nuggets turned out bomb but I yielded kinda small 2 runs in a row. Figured it was co2. Not much I can do at this point I'm going to run it low and hope for the best. Flipped 12/12 today . Northern lightsXbigbud , the ultimate , c99 , bubblegummer. I will definitely be getting a proper air conditioner before next one. Maybe I will be able to switch it out mid run :/ . Thank you very much for help, can't wait to see those pre 98 golf balls when you get the co2 rocking fully sealed. Thankyou everyone else for input, this thread is awesome
 

collective gardener

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Terrible news for me I guess. I previously ran this setup with that bs boost bucket with full AN line with 50% rh and 70 degrees. My nuggets turned out bomb but I yielded kinda small 2 runs in a row. Figured it was co2. Not much I can do at this point I'm going to run it low and hope for the best. Flipped 12/12 today . Northern lightsXbigbud , the ultimate , c99 , bubblegummer. I will definitely be getting a proper air conditioner before next one. Maybe I will be able to switch it out mid run :/ . Thank you very much for help, can't wait to see those pre 98 golf balls when you get the co2 rocking fully sealed. Thankyou everyone else for input, this thread is awesome

Sounds a bit cold. That makes a big difference. It's usually pretty easy to warm up a grow op. Give me a choice between 70 and 90...I'll take 90 (and a bottle of Floromite)
 

collective gardener

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cg, when you start flushing are you using just Final?

Also, I know you do a weekly flush, but have you tried inoculating the rockwool with beneficial's?
We've been playing with timing on the Final. It's such a powerful tool, getting the timing right can make a huge difference. What it does id to give the plant a last ditch Hail Mary growth surge...using nutrients and energy already in the plant. Basically, it diverts everything to the buds.

Using Final with the flush gives the buds a last surge of weight gain. But, it may be used at another time. When the serious week 2-5 growth starts slowing, you can apply the Final. That will give you another week or so of calyx and pistil production. Applied in between these times is bad. That just creates foxtails.
 

collective gardener

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Most of these are pics of the Veg Room. Designing a large Veg Room was a good idea. Most veg rooms are too small. I like having plenty of room to move about. We also have a few lights installed that can be pressed into service when we have large crops vegging. I'm finding that time spent getting the vegging plants to a perfect size and shape really pays off. Our most recent harvest confirms this. I pruned a bunch in veg...always keeping the largest shoots exposed to the light. The plants ended up with more shoots in a given area, and tighter node spacing. The Bubs are actually developing colas.

The next test will be to remove all lateral branching and just keep the 3-6 primary branches. Then, we'll plant these plants very close together....like 50 plants on an 8x8 tray. The idea being that the whole canopy is just high yielding primary branches. This, I believe, will be the best way to grow this strain for max production.

The Tahoes are different. The next batch will be topped 2-4 times in their tomato cage. The idea here is to top until the plant gets bushy enough to throw some product. Un-topped, they're just way too sparse.
 

sebastopolian

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My BF & I have been growing OGK, for a quite few years now & have had some interesting times with it, and your right un-topped they r sparse. But we like the end product very beautiful bud & great smoke. I've been researching the Tahoe & thought about trying it. I grow my own mother plants & clone off them and finding the good genetic's makes all the difference. I noticed you have Ezcloner, How do you like it?
I got my first one a couple years ago for my birthday, best present ever... I bought a water chiller for it, since it was 120 site, I use 2 of the plug sites for the chiller & keeps the water at a pleasant 73 degrees. Not sure when u bought yours but my first machine came with firmer plug's which i prefer, my second machine they r way too soft & just dont last as long. I contacted ezcloner Inc, they said that they stopped making the firmer one's due to complaint's... Now they r getting complaint's too soft. But reassured me that they are going to try and provide them both. I thanked them of course.

Are you in So cal? Im in northern cal, and was thinking about taking a trip down south to take a look around, maybe check out some dispensaries, any suggestions on some cool ones?

Also may visit Disneyland, been a while. Need to turn into a kid again! I enjoy your thread keep up the good work! Peace & Happy gardening!!:peace:
 

collective gardener

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My BF & I have been growing OGK, for a quite few years now & have had some interesting times with it, and your right un-topped they r sparse. But we like the end product very beautiful bud & great smoke. I've been researching the Tahoe & thought about trying it. I grow my own mother plants & clone off them and finding the good genetic's makes all the difference. I noticed you have Ezcloner, How do you like it?
I got my first one a couple years ago for my birthday, best present ever... I bought a water chiller for it, since it was 120 site, I use 2 of the plug sites for the chiller & keeps the water at a pleasant 73 degrees. Not sure when u bought yours but my first machine came with firmer plug's which i prefer, my second machine they r way too soft & just dont last as long. I contacted ezcloner Inc, they said that they stopped making the firmer one's due to complaint's... Now they r getting complaint's too soft. But reassured me that they are going to try and provide them both. I thanked them of course.

Are you in So cal? Im in northern cal, and was thinking about taking a trip down south to take a look around, maybe check out some dispensaries, any suggestions on some cool ones?

Also may visit Disneyland, been a while. Need to turn into a kid again! I enjoy your thread keep up the good work! Peace & Happy gardening!!:peace:
EZ cloner was a gift from a grower who's op I helped dial in. This is first test run. The plugs seem fine. Don't know if they're hard or soft. I ordered some more new ones...will let you know if they're harder or softer. If you're around Hollywood, check out Hollyweed www.hollyweed420.com . If they were closer to me I'd be there all of the time to try their meds. Selection is best I've ever seen in So Cal. Nice people, too.

I noticed some seedlings in one of the pictures. What are you running from seed?
I was wondering if anyone saw those. Well, most are tomatoes. Need my hydro Beefsteaks for BBQ burgers. But 3 are seeds from, either one of the 98's, or from this fire diesel. A friend had a bud of each in his jar and found these three seeds. He returned them to me (what a bitchen guy) to grow out. Either plant will be great to have. Haven't grown out some seeds in a while, and certainly not anything of this potential quality.
 

C.Indica

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Whoa holy shit! CG messing with seedlings?
NEVER though I'd see that!

Either pre-98 or fire, sounds like a good gamble.
Hope it's quality!:leaf:


CG, I'm steadily on my way to Live Soil Organic,
so thanks for the inspiration!
 

Dank Hands

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Thank you very much for sharing this CG. Crazy amounts of "Hash Makings". Do you mix your strains when you make your hash, or keep your strains in seperate batches?

Thanks again bro this is the sickest grow I have seen both in real life or on the internet.
 

collective gardener

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Thank you very much for sharing this CG. Crazy amounts of "Hash Makings". Do you mix your strains when you make your hash, or keep your strains in seperate batches?

Thanks again bro this is the sickest grow I have seen both in real life or on the internet.
Damn...never heard that before...thank you so much. That makes me feel good.


On another note. Which one of you regulars runs Ebb and Flow? I know one of you posts regular on that thread. I need some advice. We just bought the CAP Ebb n Flow Bucket System to try out. It looks like the most mobile system out there...meaning I can move the plants around easily. That has always been my biggest complaint about the "real" hydro systems...that the plants are in a fixed location. I also don't like miles of tubing going everywhere. This system seems to have addressed those issues. I don't know why I haven't taken a look at this before.

My wife is giving me shit about the amount of landfill trash we generate with rockwool. Since we're trying to design the grow op to be at least halfway enviro friendly, the rockwool may have to go. Bummer. I love it. But, at this scale, there's alot of rockwool being used and tossed. Even Capitolist Me is starting to feel some enviro-guilt.

PLUS, the root aphids storming Cali grows have arrived here. They wiped out Commercial J's last crop. 20 Lbs down the drain at 5 weeks. I've heard they are easier to control with hydro systems. Right now the aphids are just in the plants I'm flushing...no big deal. But, if they get into the other tray, I'm fucked. Anyone kn ow what to use on them?
 

Bird Gymnastics

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Damn...never heard that before...thank you so much. That makes me feel good.


On another note. Which one of you regulars runs Ebb and Flow? I know one of you posts regular on that thread. I need some advice. We just bought the CAP Ebb n Flow Bucket System to try out. It looks like the most mobile system out there...meaning I can move the plants around easily. That has always been my biggest complaint about the "real" hydro systems...that the plants are in a fixed location. I also don't like miles of tubing going everywhere. This system seems to have addressed those issues. I don't know why I haven't taken a look at this before.

My wife is giving me shit about the amount of landfill trash we generate with rockwool. Since we're trying to design the grow op to be at least halfway enviro friendly, the rockwool may have to go. Bummer. I love it. But, at this scale, there's alot of rockwool being used and tossed. Even Capitolist Me is starting to feel some enviro-guilt.

PLUS, the root aphids storming Cali grows have arrived here. They wiped out Commercial J's last crop. 20 Lbs down the drain at 5 weeks. I've heard they are easier to control with hydro systems. Right now the aphids are just in the plants I'm flushing...no big deal. But, if they get into the other tray, I'm fucked. Anyone kn ow what to use on them?
I saw some great results using No Tolerance...but if you prefer not to use oils and stuff that can effect your crop, I'd say get some lady bugs. The only downside is the lady bugs you buy at the store were caught hibernating...this means they won't eat right away, they gotta hump, make some larvae and then they feed :) takes about two weeks to fully get rid of them but it has always worked for me.
 
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