2014 Midterms

tokeprep

Well-Known Member
The blink of an eye can make all the difference in politics. In October, many here were declaring the Republican party permanently dead, predicting that it would never be able to wield much power ever again. I warned that those obituaries were premature, that a year is a lifetime in politics, and sure enough, here we are, in an alternate universe where Republicans are now expected to gain house seats and have a realistic chance of retaking the senate. Obviously I preface all of this with the same warning I gave in October: everything can change in an instant. On to the data.

At the end of October, Democrats were leading the Realclearpolitics generic congressional ballot aggregation by 6.5%. That lead today stands at just 0.2%. A very recent CNN/ORC poll is bearing out many of my past predictions about what will happen in November:

1) Voter enthusiasm is very low, especially among Democrats. 36% of Republicans are enthusiastic about voting in the midterm; just 22% of Democrats feel that way.

2) Obama's approval and honesty ratings are dragging down other Democrats. A majority of voters polled said they were more likely to vote for someone who opposes the president more than they support him.

3) Support for Obamacare is at record lows. Just 35% of voters said they support Obamacare; 62% said they opposed it. This bodes poorly for any of the Democrats standing by the healthcare law.

In the senate, Democrats are defending more seats than Republicans, a substantial number of them in red states. I cannot find a single Republican seat that looks like it is seriously in play (Kentucky and Georgia are the only seats potentially in play). On the Democrat side, many seats are in play: Alaska, Arkansas, Colorado, Iowa, Louisiana, Michigan, Montana, North Carolina, South Dakota, and West Virginia. Potentially in play: Minnesota, New Hampshire, and Virginia. Republicans only need six seats to retake the senate. Montana, South Dakota, and West Virginia are most likely to flip, leaving 7-10 other possibilities. Ouch.

How do the Democrats turn it around next year? Is it possible for Obama to regain the trust and popularity he managed to hold for so long, or is he already a lame duck? Feel free to make predictions and we can check the results in November!

Me first: The administration made a smart political move in delaying the setting of 2015 Obamacare premiums. They were originally supposed to come out before the midterm election; with enrollment goals grossly below expectations, insurers are probably going to hike premiums substantially to make the economics work (sick people are buying insurance and will use it; the healthy people who needed to buy insurance and not use it aren't doing their part). The bullet isn't necessarily dodged, because Republicans can still hammer that premiums will skyrocket, and without hard numbers there cannot be much of a retort. Additionally, for people who do get the exchange insurance, I expect there to be substantial disappointment with the availability of doctors and hospitals, which a lot of people might not feel until they try to use the insurance. I also anticipate additional damning NSA revelations that will continue to damage Obama, dragging Democratic candidates further down while energizing Republican libertarians. Finally, while the economy is certainly getting better according to the statistics, voter sentiment about the economy has not improved, and I doubt it will improve much within the next year. Indeed, the good economic numbers undercut Democrats' arguments that the sequester and government shutdown were bad for the economy, while bolstering the Republican arguments.

I expect the Republicans to gain house seats and to retake control of the senate, as things stand. Poor candidate selection could easily thwart the Republicans, but given the number of seats in play, they could throw up some really shitty candidates and still pull off the takeover. Given Obama's personal unpopularity and the number of seats being defended in red territory, low Democrat turnout against high Republican turnout promises to be the fatal blow. I don't see a way for Democrats to get their voters to the polls next year. They're deflated and disappointed. Fool me once, fool me twice--there's not supposed to be a third time, right? 2008 is just a distant memory, and for many, a broken promise.
 

UncleBuck

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gheyest analysis ever, most of it completely pointless and of no worth this far out. not a single citation to boot.

it doesn't take an education from a top national university to know that a low turnout midterm election with a democrat president favors republicans heavily. beyond that, speculation is meaningless at this point, check back in 6-8 months.

i predict a lot of changing predictions until then and possibly some rape talk from the republicans after then.
 

BigNBushy

Well-Known Member
gheyest analysis ever, most of it completely pointless and of no worth this far out. not a single citation to boot.

it doesn't take an education from a top national university to know that a low turnout midterm election with a democrat president favors republicans heavily. beyond that, speculation is meaningless at this point, check back in 6-8 months.

i predict a lot of changing predictions until then and possibly some rape talk from the republicans after then.
It might be pointless, but it is what the op called for. "make your predictions." if you cited something, it wouldn't be your prediction, would it?

To the op, I tend to agree.

However, I never underestimate the ability of a republican candidate to say something kind of strange, and the media make a big deal out of it.

Example, the "legitimate rape" comment. There are instances of rape that aren't legitimate. The Duke lacrosse team comes to mind. He was crucified in the media for using the word legitimate in front of rape, when we all know a good portion of alleged rapes are total bull shit. I would say the majority, some would not, but it is clear that a lot of times a woman alleges rape, there was no rape.

I guess you aren't supposed to say that.
 

echelon1k1

New Member
The blink of an eye can make all the difference in politics. In October, many here were declaring the Republican party permanently dead, predicting that it would never be able to wield much power ever again. I warned that those obituaries were premature, that a year is a lifetime in politics, and sure enough, here we are, in an alternate universe where Republicans are now expected to gain house seats and have a realistic chance of retaking the senate. Obviously I preface all of this with the same warning I gave in October: everything can change in an instant. On to the data.

At the end of October, Democrats were leading the Realclearpolitics generic congressional ballot aggregation by 6.5%. That lead today stands at just 0.2%. A very recent CNN/ORC poll is bearing out many of my past predictions about what will happen in November:

1) Voter enthusiasm is very low, especially among Democrats. 36% of Republicans are enthusiastic about voting in the midterm; just 22% of Democrats feel that way.

2) Obama's approval and honesty ratings are dragging down other Democrats. A majority of voters polled said they were more likely to vote for someone who opposes the president more than they support him.

3) Support for Obamacare is at record lows. Just 35% of voters said they support Obamacare; 62% said they opposed it. This bodes poorly for any of the Democrats standing by the healthcare law.

In the senate, Democrats are defending more seats than Republicans, a substantial number of them in red states. I cannot find a single Republican seat that looks like it is seriously in play (Kentucky and Georgia are the only seats potentially in play). On the Democrat side, many seats are in play: Alaska, Arkansas, Colorado, Iowa, Louisiana, Michigan, Montana, North Carolina, South Dakota, and West Virginia. Potentially in play: Minnesota, New Hampshire, and Virginia. Republicans only need six seats to retake the senate. Montana, South Dakota, and West Virginia are most likely to flip, leaving 7-10 other possibilities. Ouch.

How do the Democrats turn it around next year? Is it possible for Obama to regain the trust and popularity he managed to hold for so long, or is he already a lame duck? Feel free to make predictions and we can check the results in November!

Me first: The administration made a smart political move in delaying the setting of 2015 Obamacare premiums. They were originally supposed to come out before the midterm election; with enrollment goals grossly below expectations, insurers are probably going to hike premiums substantially to make the economics work (sick people are buying insurance and will use it; the healthy people who needed to buy insurance and not use it aren't doing their part). The bullet isn't necessarily dodged, because Republicans can still hammer that premiums will skyrocket, and without hard numbers there cannot be much of a retort. Additionally, for people who do get the exchange insurance, I expect there to be substantial disappointment with the availability of doctors and hospitals, which a lot of people might not feel until they try to use the insurance. I also anticipate additional damning NSA revelations that will continue to damage Obama, dragging Democratic candidates further down while energizing Republican libertarians. Finally, while the economy is certainly getting better according to the statistics, voter sentiment about the economy has not improved, and I doubt it will improve much within the next year. Indeed, the good economic numbers undercut Democrats' arguments that the sequester and government shutdown were bad for the economy, while bolstering the Republican arguments.

I expect the Republicans to gain house seats and to retake control of the senate, as things stand. Poor candidate selection could easily thwart the Republicans, but given the number of seats in play, they could throw up some really shitty candidates and still pull off the takeover. Given Obama's personal unpopularity and the number of seats being defended in red territory, low Democrat turnout against high Republican turnout promises to be the fatal blow. I don't see a way for Democrats to get their voters to the polls next year. They're deflated and disappointed. Fool me once, fool me twice--there's not supposed to be a third time, right? 2008 is just a distant memory, and for many, a broken promise.
For the most part I agree with your assessment, except in regards to the NSA spying. I think both parties own the patriot act and its incarnations. I don't see the pubs having too much of a go at Obama on policies they've championed for years, they'll probably prove me wrong though...
 

nitro harley

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Hello tokeprep...

I don't know what will happen come next november, but I have my boot ready to go up the democratic shit hole...
 

tokeprep

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gheyest analysis ever, most of it completely pointless and of no worth this far out. not a single citation to boot.
The data sources are all apparent.

it doesn't take an education from a top national university to know that a low turnout midterm election with a democrat president favors republicans heavily. beyond that, speculation is meaningless at this point, check back in 6-8 months.

i predict a lot of changing predictions until then and possibly some rape talk from the republicans after then.
So the start of 2014 is too early, but you think in 2-4 months--before most of the candidates are chosen, when polling data is still very sparse, with many months to go--speculation will suddenly become appropriate? That doesn't make much sense.

I'm mainly interested in hearing speculation about how the Democrats can dig themselves out of the hole, hence the questions I posed: "How do the Democrats turn it around next year? Is it possible for Obama to regain the trust and popularity he managed to hold for so long, or is he already a lame duck?"
 

see4

Well-Known Member
Hello tokeprep...

I don't know what will happen come next november, but I have my boot ready to go up the democratic shit hole...
You are not a very education man. Good news is, it doesn't make you a bad person, just stupid.
 

see4

Well-Known Member
The data sources are all apparent.



So the start of 2014 is too early, but you think in 2-4 months--before most of the candidates are chosen, when polling data is still very sparse, with many months to go--speculation will suddenly become appropriate? That doesn't make much sense.

I'm mainly interested in hearing speculation about how the Democrats can dig themselves out of the hole, hence the questions I posed: "How do the Democrats turn it around next year? Is it possible for Obama to regain the trust and popularity he managed to hold for so long, or is he already a lame duck?"
According to the Faux Noise Obama is already lame duck, and has been since midway through the first term. I would tend to agree. Republican party was successful in blocking much of anything from getting through. Well done! Good news is the economy is doing better, unemployment is down, many more people are signing up for healthcare and much of the world now sees us in a more favorable way, than say 7 years ago.

People are smart, they will know what to do come midterm election.
 

tokeprep

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For the most part I agree with your assessment, except in regards to the NSA spying. I think both parties own the patriot act and its incarnations. I don't see the pubs having too much of a go at Obama on policies they've championed for years, they'll probably prove me wrong though...
I don't think Americans blame congress for the NSA programs. The NSA is run by the administration, and its programs were constructed and approved by the administration, not the congress. Since Obama was in office when the revelations came out, he's the president taking the hit, and I think it's reflected in his numbers. Prior to the NSA publication, Obama's approval rating was only underwater by two points. Two months later, he was eight points underwater.

Congress already had and still has a terrible approval rating, but most people say they would re-elect their congressman, so that aggregate means nothing. For example, the last Gallup poll gave congress an 85% disapproval rating; when they asked if you approve of your representative's performance, 44% of Americans said yes (43% said no).
 

nitro harley

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You are not a very education man. Good news is, it doesn't make you a bad person, just stupid.
Back in the early 1990's I went to a trade school and graduated at the very top of the class..The director of Harley Davidson gave me an award and my PHD certificate that said I was the smartest person in the room..A stupid person would of never stood on that podium...just so you know..
 

see4

Well-Known Member
Back in the early 1990's I went to a trade school and graduated at the very top of the class..The director of Harley Davidson gave me an award and my PHD certificate that said I was the smartest person in the room..A stupid person would of never stood on that podium...just so you know..
I stand corrected, I should have used the word ignorant. I am certain you are completely capable of learning new things, and learning them fairly quickly.
 

tokeprep

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I started my own thread because I was sick of the pages and pages of petty, meaningless bickering that was going on in all the other threads. Stick to my topic if you're going to post here. Bicker and insult elsewhere.
 

nitro harley

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I stand corrected, I should have used the word ignorant. I am certain you are completely capable of learning new things, and learning them fairly quickly.
Next november will be the day I could be found "ignorant" until then I will just think positive and have my BOOT ready to go up the democratic shit hole..
 

Winter Woman

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Midterms - I think the Duck Dynasty faux pas has emboldened the Right and I think it may have changed the dynamics of the coming political races.
 

see4

Well-Known Member
Hello tokeprep...

I don't know what will happen come next november, but I have my boot ready to go up the democratic shit hole...
I started my own thread because I was sick of the pages and pages of petty, meaningless bickering that was going on in all the other threads. Stick to my topic if you're going to post here. Bicker and insult elsewhere.
Next november will be the day I could be found "ignorant" until then I will just think positive and have my BOOT ready to go up the democratic shit hole..
Fair and balanced. Faux Noise mantra.
 
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