2x2x5 Gl60 Tent, 250w Hortilux MH/HPS, Tangerine Dream

faithfulmastiff said:

verde looking good there, what the temps like, whatever it is they flourishing in it, have you seen these lil c02 pads, might work in that tent, i got some but mine still early veg for me to notice any diff

http://www.hydroponics.net/i/135244

oh, subbed btw after all its another TD grow, i'm along for the ride

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Interesting, but I don't think I'm planning on messing with C02

If I were going to do c02, it'd be in a room, with a lot of plants, with like measured releases of C02 for precise control of the levels in the air.

Still not something I want to do yet... Trying to keep it as simple as possible!

Temps are like 75-82 in the tent... 82 when I leave the AC off or something other than that I keep it 78-79...

I can't even control the humidity right now, it sits around 35% which isn't bad but I'd like it to be lower.

I also figure people in the room where the tent is, breathing, creates enough c02 for my plants

Damn man, this is pretty awsome, I subbed, and + rep

DarthD3vl said:

Damn man, this is pretty awsome, I subbed, and + rep

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Hey darth glad to see your along from the ride! Pull up a chair and help yourself to some herbs

Day 4 here, keeping the stretch under control.. by next weekend we will start to see some pistils and calyxes
Ohhhboyohboyohboy

Looking excellent man, Im so subbed. Fixing to start first grow have some TD beans on the way. Going w WW first, figure best to hold off on the TD until we have a few grows under our belts since hearing of so many horror stories. Is the main prob germination or what, someone told me not to do the paper towel method w em, and instead start straight from dirt. Ive just germed 3 outta 3 this way with coco, what do you recommend. Thought id ask you since yours look awesome! Keep it up, cant wait to see more.

growmomma said:

Looking excellent man, Im so subbed. Fixing to start first grow have some TD beans on the way. Going w WW first, figure best to hold off on the TD until we have a few grows under our belts since hearing of so many horror stories. Is the main prob germination or what, someone told me not to do the paper towel method w em, and instead start straight from dirt. Ive just germed 3 outta 3 this way with coco, what do you recommend. Thought id ask you since yours look awesome! Keep it up, cant wait to see more.

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Alright heres the thing on the germ rate

There are people, experienced growers, who got Tangerine Dream and had SHITTY germ rates.. like 1/5 or 0/5...

THEN you have other growers (I can think of 5 off the top of my head) who actually had really good germ rates..

There was discussion of scarification on the seeds, apparently the TD seed shells might be a little too thick, so they dont crack open - google cannabis seed scarification... it basically involves lightly rubbing sand paper over the crease of where the taproot emerges so they can SNAP open easier! Apparently just some strains seeds are like this!

However, I had a 4/5 germ rate with no scarification in the paper towel method..

I wrapped them gently in a moist paper towel, put them in a baggie, and left them on something warm (but not hot)... my first seed cracked in 20 hours, and the other 3 cracked by 48 hours... there was one seed I germed that didn't crack, but I threw it away after 3 days as I already had enough plants! Seeds can take up to two weeks to crack but this is extremely uncommon, so it's possible that I could have had a perfect germ rate but I didn't really care...


TD is okay, is a slow starter, but once it gets a good root system and good foliage it takes off.. I see this reflected in many other grows..

However, the slow start makes it prone to death by ultra-novice error... Like super under/ over watering, really bad ph, physical damage that it cant recover from etc. But if you can keep a plant green for 3 weeks the Tangerine Dream will be okay.


I also have heard the TD is finicky with nutes, but I haven't really started adding them hard yet.. I noticed around 3 weeks a serious calcium deficiency but I think this was due to an improperly calibrated pH meter... I think the store sold it to me .5 off! I calibrate each time now

I hear WW is an easy grower. If you haven't grown, but you've read up a lot.. it will all make a lot of sense after your first harvest.. it's really simple stuff, with a few ideas you need to comprehend..

When you actually practice skills and watch the plant grow your like, 'oh this is easy i love this shit'

Cannabis is very resilient, it's a weed, it's a great hobby because you can't fail easily.



anyway.. update coming up in a few here.. feel free to ask anything else

Day 6

smells great alright, i have a feeling that wont stop anytime soon

canopy.. after tucking fans in, and re arranging some branches/slight bending to my liking..



Starting to get leavier on the branches branches


Also, I trimmed some off the bottom.. like 15 leaves total... to promote upper growth, I figured day 5 flower better do it sooner than later.. just leaves in shade, and small would be-popcorn branches


Check this out, ONE main branch (topped) shows to be a triploid, where the other branch shows to be mature (interchanging single nodes) ... it's an example of unstable, yet useful genetics... I get an extra branch

Sr. Verde said:

Alright heres the thing on the germ rate

There are people, experienced growers, who got Tangerine Dream and had SHITTY germ rates.. like 1/5 or 0/5...

THEN you have other growers (I can think of 5 off the top of my head) who actually had really good germ rates..

There was discussion of scarification on the seeds, apparently the TD seed shells might be a little too thick, so they dont crack open - google cannabis seed scarification... it basically involves lightly rubbing sand paper over the crease of where the taproot emerges so they can SNAP open easier! Apparently just some strains seeds are like this!

However, I had a 4/5 germ rate with no scarification in the paper towel method..

I wrapped them gently in a moist paper towel, put them in a baggie, and left them on something warm (but not hot)... my first seed cracked in 20 hours, and the other 3 cracked by 48 hours... there was one seed I germed that didn't crack, but I threw it away after 3 days as I already had enough plants! Seeds can take up to two weeks to crack but this is extremely uncommon, so it's possible that I could have had a perfect germ rate but I didn't really care...


TD is okay, is a slow starter, but once it gets a good root system and good foliage it takes off.. I see this reflected in many other grows..

However, the slow start makes it prone to death by ultra-novice error... Like super under/ over watering, really bad ph, physical damage that it cant recover from etc. But if you can keep a plant green for 3 weeks the Tangerine Dream will be okay.


I also have heard the TD is finicky with nutes, but I haven't really started adding them hard yet.. I noticed around 3 weeks a serious calcium deficiency but I think this was due to an improperly calibrated pH meter... I think the store sold it to me .5 off! I calibrate each time now

I hear WW is an easy grower. If you haven't grown, but you've read up a lot.. it will all make a lot of sense after your first harvest.. it's really simple stuff, with a few ideas you need to comprehend..

When you actually practice skills and watch the plant grow your like, 'oh this is easy i love this shit'

Cannabis is very resilient, it's a weed, it's a great hobby because you can't fail easily.



anyway.. update coming up in a few here.. feel free to ask anything else

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TY so much for all the detailed info, probably going to incorporate the scarcification just to be on the safe side. Do you advise against the germ in coco vs the paper towel method or know of any cons? Finally recieved beans yesterday, the WW sank and cracked over night so hoping to get at a good germ rate off them. Thanks again!

Looking good Verde!

growmomma said:

TY so much for all the detailed info, probably going to incorporate the scarcification just to be on the safe side. Do you advise against the germ in coco vs the paper towel method or know of any cons? Finally recieved beans yesterday, the WW sank and cracked over night so hoping to get at a good germ rate off them. Thanks again!

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no prob i love giving and reviving info

Just be gentle with your sand paper

I always dig the paper towel method, I've had great results I like to be able to open, and check it... just keep it by something warm to speed up the process (playstation, vcr, cable box...)

Ganja Geek said:

Looking good Verde!

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Thanks, I just fed them HEARTY, pretty much the most nutes I've ever given them... excess on the nitrogen, and calmag..

I feel like they are done warming up

hey any other tangerine dream growers on this thread? kidgraphix, mcgyver?

How long til you guys saw pistils? I'm hoping for like day 9 to see something, but I'm guessing day 12.

Beginning day 8 flower today (thursday in united states)... They were nuted to hell yesterday, so today hopefully we will see some action.. I feel like i'm already seeing the nitrogen kicking in, tighter nodes promoted growth especially in new branching..



Everything is looking really good guys! I have a whole bunch of pH calibration solution, I'm just calibrating before every watering. Is this because of a shitty meter, or is this normal? Last time it was .3 off like 3 days after a calibration... I need to invest in a quality ph meter if thats what it takes... this one has a detachable probe/sensor.. they sell replacements for $20, and the pH meter was $45 (hanna)









For shits, lets see where I was in day 8 of flowering with my LAST CFL GROW... and the results!
DAY 8 flower LAST (CFL) grow

harvest day



the sativa i practically ignored, but was the best smoke everrrr



So thats what CFLs bought at home depot did.... with simple nutes, and nearly no additives, with bagseed.

What do you guys think is going to happen with my current plants.........with a 250w hortilux super HPS........ with a good amount of additives.............. in 3.5 gal pots............ with barneys farm genetics ?

Beautiful Buds! If you can produce those with cfls, I CAN NOT WAIT to see the TD! Im ridin this one out to the end We started five WW last night, so fingers crossed on those. Also had 3 seedlings of some good bagseed that IMO my husband transplanted too soon, they dont look as good as they did yesterday. I think they should have stayed in the small tent under the T5s n cfls, but he went ahead n put em in the megagarden in the veg tent. He's doing 24 on in there but I suggested @ least 20/4 i read its less stressful on them when they go 12/12 in the flower tent?? but what do I know lol! Whats your take on our veg time? I see alot of arguments in our future, I think he's tired of me lookin over his shoulder questioning his every move But hey..he works all the time n Ill prob b the primary care takers of these babies. Thats the main reason Im researching n learning as much as I can (and lovin every min of it btw) But I swear, even tho there is ALOT of valuable info on this site, alot of its rather conflicting. But I guess diff strokes for diff folks huh? Sorry to rant on your thread, but Ive become to greatly value your opinion, Thnx!

growmomma said:

Beautiful Buds! If you can produce those with cfls, I CAN NOT WAIT to see the TD! Im ridin this one out to the end We started five WW last night, so fingers crossed on those. Also had 3 seedlings of some good bagseed that IMO my husband transplanted too soon, they dont look as good as they did yesterday. I think they should have stayed in the small tent under the T5s n cfls, but he went ahead n put em in the megagarden in the veg tent. He's doing 24 on in there but I suggested @ least 20/4 i read its less stressful on them when they go 12/12 in the flower tent?? but what do I know lol! Whats your take on our veg time? I see alot of arguments in our future, I think he's tired of me lookin over his shoulder questioning his every move But hey..he works all the time n Ill prob b the primary care takers of these babies. Thats the main reason Im researching n learning as much as I can (and lovin every min of it btw) But I swear, even tho there is ALOT of valuable info on this site, alot of its rather conflicting. But I guess diff strokes for diff folks huh? Sorry to rant on your thread, but Ive become to greatly value your opinion, Thnx!

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Okay yeah I'm glad you came here

My thoughts exactly on the CFLs, I started them with one 24w CFL bulb.. then started learning! LOL! Going to really be interested in resin production HID vs CFL.


Okay, FOR YOUR GROW:

1. Be reallllllllllllly careful with the bagseed! I can't stress this enough! Lets say a hermie pollenated your plant, not male/female normal pollination. This would make the seeds WAY WAY more prone to hermie! This means down the line, for no reason, they MAY sprout MALE reporductive organs and POLLENATE itself AND your white widows! Resulting in seeded, non sensimillia, less dank bud. AND you have to spend hours upon hours upon hours removing seeds from the nugs.............. this is why I would say just fucking forget the bagseed, and do your 5 white widows. You don't want to risk pollenating your GOOD genetics with some bagseed hermie EVEN if it was good, it's not worth a hermie!

2. Veg times: Okay, this is what I've found..... a very smart dude here by the name of "uncle ben" provided the best argument for me, look up his posts if you want more detailed info on this, ill give an outline from my personal perspective. Uncle Ben a really hands on straight up gardening methods type dude. One of the original top dogs of RIU. I really dig his style.

With CFLs, I found 20/4 to be a good veg time. I feel like CFLs are less powerful, and less 'natural' than HIDs as far as penetration and intensity... So I just ran them slightly longer to make up for anything I could.

Now with the HID's, I found 18/6 to be pretty good, they didn't stretch much at all...

But heres the thing - like people, plants need sleep too... they have different processes, for lights on, and lights off... So you need to give them a few hours at night, for a healthy plant. Some people still run 24/0, but I really dig the sleep thing. I feel like they are healthier, and respond better... They like drooping down, and waking up to the light... just seems natural!

Like you said the 24/0, to 12/12 change is rather drastic, it's easier for them to get used to flowering when they actually have sleep in veg... But some people dont just flip the switch, they gradually bring the photoperiod down to 12/12.

outline: I dig 18/6... thats what this threads plants were grown with, from the start, under MH, from seedling.


3. Information on RIU

Yeah you kind of have to dig through it, but there are a lot of very good, very respectable growers here who provide a LOT of good information ALL the time... the more you hang around, the more you remember usernames.... You can learn awesome little tricks everywhere, and these guys have lots of pics to back it up... Also, start talking to people, and what they're growing, and keep following journals, like your doing for me... and most will glady help as I do.. were all trying just to grow the dankest dank

update coming up in a bit

jizzyt said:

I'm excited. I'm starting my own tangerine dream grow soon. I will follow this for sure.

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For sure man.

Tangerine Dream day 8


Ohhh what do we have here? *whistles* ladies... ladies!


closer


canopy


Sativa in the back is a triploid on the one branch... meaning rather than two branches on a single node, it's 3 branches to a node.......... two triploids in 3 plants? woooow



On the other hand, here is my ceiling LOL


I'm reallllllllllllllly hoping the stretching cools the fuck down.

I gotta feelin those girls are fixin to produce some massive buds! Hell Im excited for you lol

My thought exactly on the bagseed, they gotta go! Maybe throw em outside n see what happens idk? How fast can the hermie stuff occur, the widow hasnt sprouted in the small tent n the seedlings are n seperate tent under a 125w hydrofarm light? Maybe we went too big too fast IMO. I mean first indoor grow w 3 tents shit im already overwhelmed lol. We did grow outdoors, but that was 10 ys ago, now we got 3 freakin tents lol the small one w t5s n cfls, the medium one w megagarden 125w, n the big one w 600w cooltube 3 gal buckets (i wanted the waterfarms btw) Eventually ima just get my own stuff goin lol, bc my husband doesnt take criticism to well. Get a lil grow competition goin over here haha.
Your so right about the wealth of info on this site, def takes some guess work out. Im thinking of starting a thread simply stating all equipment, nutes, etc. n see what advice I get. Ill post a link on here when I do bc I hate to keep takin up space on your thread with all my newb questions lol. Thanks again bud!

Looking good, I love my DR60.

Better late than never haha. Subbed. Cant wait to see how this turns out. My TD: Your item, posted on 23/03/11 with reference ********** has been passed to the overseas postal service for delivery in UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Hoping for like a week or so. Last order was xmas time and took forever.

incognegro999 said:

Better late than never haha. Subbed. Cant wait to see how this turns out. My TD: Your item, posted on 23/03/11 with reference ********** has been passed to the overseas postal service for delivery in UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Hoping for like a week or so. Last order was xmas time and took forever.

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I just recieved my TD 2 days ago, seemed liked I saw that status forever! But once it hits Jamaica NY ul have it no time

growmomma said:

I gotta feelin those girls are fixin to produce some massive buds! Hell Im excited for you lol

My thought exactly on the bagseed, they gotta go! Maybe throw em outside n see what happens idk? How fast can the hermie stuff occur, the widow hasnt sprouted in the small tent n the seedlings are n seperate tent under a 125w hydrofarm light? Maybe we went too big too fast IMO. I mean first indoor grow w 3 tents shit im already overwhelmed lol. We did grow outdoors, but that was 10 ys ago, now we got 3 freakin tents lol the small one w t5s n cfls, the medium one w megagarden 125w, n the big one w 600w cooltube 3 gal buckets (i wanted the waterfarms btw) Eventually ima just get my own stuff goin lol, bc my husband doesnt take criticism to well. Get a lil grow competition goin over here haha.
Your so right about the wealth of info on this site, def takes some guess work out. Im thinking of starting a thread simply stating all equipment, nutes, etc. n see what advice I get. Ill post a link on here when I do bc I hate to keep takin up space on your thread with all my newb questions lol. Thanks again bud!

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Thanks

hermies can happen quick, usually as a result of stress.. but bad genetics can just hermie for no reason which is why i wouldnt do bagseed..

for sure link the thread you make here

Bonzi Lighthouse said:

Looking good, I love my DR60.
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Looking good man

incognegro999 said:

Better late than never haha. Subbed. Cant wait to see how this turns out. My TD: Your item, posted on 23/03/11 with reference ********** has been passed to the overseas postal service for delivery in UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Hoping for like a week or so. Last order was xmas time and took forever.

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For sure

Yeah, they say that shit all the time when shipping from europe... mine went straight from that message to - Delivered... just give it 8 or 9 business days



Lol I'm really hoping the TD's chill the fuck out on the height soon... I can only raise the light eight more inches in the current configuration!

It's official, we have pistils.