2x2x5 Grow Lab - Reserva Privada Headband ... [ 100w T5 veg / 250w HPS flower ]

How badly does it stress the plants?

i think monster cropping is better than topping your plant. and less stress

upthearsenal said:

Awesome man. That last shot looks great.

As far as the height of the screen... I liked it about a foot above the soil, so I could water/feed with my jugs, and work well underneath. That was with a wire screen and wooden frame so there was no flexibility, I also had around 10 plants... As long as you can water and work with the plants it's totally up to you, especially since the squares are pretty big and the rope is flexible watering should be easier.

What nutrients are you using btw?

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I'm using the full fox farms soil line... grow bloom, and tiger bloom...

additionally I have cal/mag by botanicare... bio-weed (kelp) by general organics.... and some thrive alive from technaflora...

So far it's working out nice.... But i'm dealing with a bunch of shit literally..

Day 38 veg...
Going to flower soon. Should I start reducing the light cycle by one hour at a time, or just flip it? Do you guys think it's better to just flip from 20/4... to 12/12? I was told an hour a day but I feel like thats pretty long. like from 20/4 to 19/5 to 18/6 etc....

I was considering maybe from day by day go 20/4...18/6.... 14/8.... 12/12 ? Then turn on the HPS for the second or third day of 12/12? I've been hearing it's better to slowly reduce it, to minimize flower stretch... But HOW slowly? What do you guys think, what do you practice? They are at about 4-5 inches and they will be going til 6 inches before 12/12.. I can squeeze out another 3 maybe 4 days with training.. But any longer than that and they will probably be huge in flower.



photos:

When I opened the tent.. They had a full strength feeding the day before, and it really shows.


Both plants after training


Left side plant (looks more like an indica phenotype)


The right side plant.. looks more hybrid, but is branching like crazy.



I could really use the subscriber help on this one . I would like to perfect this flower flip technique

(grow note: photos from yesterday, day 39 today*)

Fuck yeah man, they look so good! I'd just flip, I really don't know about reducing the cycle by one hour... seems tedious. You could add the HPS a few days later, if you want to see the response, personally I've never done that but I know of a few respectful growers that keep the MH for the first week, so in principle it's basically the same idea.

Those plants are looking goodi woud flower them.. I don't really use no schedule like that I just switch to 12/12.

I usually veg on either 20/4 or 21/3,
flip it to like18/6 for a few days, andthen either 15/9 or straight 12/12.

They dig the slow flip.

My "hopefully" headbandseeds are really taking off, can't wait until I can start to identify them.



Don't Sativas usually have havybranching traits anyways?

upthearsenal said:

Fuck yeah man, they look so good! I'd just flip, I really don't know about reducing the cycle by one hour... seems tedious. You could add the HPS a few days later, if you want to see the response, personally I've never done that but I know of a few respectful growers that keep the MH for the first week, so in principle it's basically the same idea.

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Thanks dude! Yes I agree it does seem tedious, I've never done it - though I also experience some serious flower stretching so I'm interested somewhat.

The MH for the first week is the same idea with the floro.... Instead of completely changing their light let them get used to the 12/12 on the normal light, then switch the light... HPS makes big stems and big nugs and isn't really* needed in the first week.

wyteberrywidow said:

Those plants are looking goodi woud flower them.. I don't really use no schedule like that I just switch to 12/12.

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For sure man. I usually do the 12/12 flip normally too. Thanks.

C.Indica said:

I usually veg on either 20/4 or 21/3,
flip it to like18/6 for a few days, andthen either 15/9 or straight 12/12.

They dig the slow flip.

My "hopefully" headbandseeds are really taking off, can't wait until I can start to identify them.



Don't Sativas usually have havybranching traits anyways?

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Very cool man. Sounds good .

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Aren'tthese T5's kickass?
I get themso close to my seedlings, although I've noticed faster growth with the light raised at least a couple inches.

What are you tieing them down with? LOOKS GRREAT BTW!

OK. Sorry to totally change plans on you guys..... But I changed the method in which I was tying my plants down, and got them even lower to the ground. So it wouldn't be smart to veg them this week, I can get them much bigger. Going to keep it 20/4 for another few days until the tops start developing more.


Here are some photos for you folks.

Day 39 veg (end of the day... starting day 40 veg in a few hours)

Opened up the tent, and really inspected the girls


Removed the crappy ties I decided to try to LST with (they were too small for my favorite zip tie method)..
I found some really nasty cuts on my girls, and we cant have that! I taped it up really good with masking tape after this.. Going to replace the tape tomorrow.



I finally employed my favorite method of using zip ties anchored to the pots, and pulling the main stem down to the soil level.


Marked the side of the tent at 7 inches from soil level... Once we are at 7 inches we will flip to 12/12. ... Now do you guys see why I'm going to hold off on flowering? We can grow some trees!


Top down, light raised.


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#2


Tent in grow mode.. (vs. maintenance mode :lol).. cfl turned off for photo





So yeah. I want to push this, that 250w is pretty bright. The screen still has a lot to fill. The plants are happy, and seem to be even more hungry for food. I'm going to feed them again, see how they like it.. and let the new branches get thick.

Stay tuned, this should be fun. Probably some huge colas.. I've never seen this strain grow personally but it seems like a good candidate for some large and strong plants so far.


Oh also, both girls are sexually mature (alternating nodes)... So... nice...

they are growing wild there .. very nice . extreme green u still feeding for vegging?

Growing real nice now, can't wait to see the end result!

mugan said:

they are growing wild there .. very nice . extreme green u still feeding for vegging?

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Yeah I am. Im waiting til the soil dries and i will feed them again. I jus did a full feeding last watering but i think i am just going to feed back to back because they are still looking lime green at the tops. Today I'm about to go foliar feed with thrive alive and kelp.. Should be like liquid plant health lol. I feel bad about the cuts on the meristem so I'll definitely be taking care of that before 12/12 also.

Gotta love when they're sexually mature

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How are you tiring them down sir Verde

upthearsenal said:

Gotta love when they're sexually mature

:inserts humpy emoticon:

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Definitely!

Not to mention plants flowered when mature yield better and grow better vs. those flowered immature.

Ge7Som3 said:

How are you tiring them down sir Verde

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Hey bro! Sorry if I've been missing questions I'm not avoiding them, I just forget to answer.


I DID have these green ties similar to those you get in the produce section at the grocery store... I picked up 200ft for like $3... Well now I realize those ties are shitty, they will cut and chafe into your plants.

NOW I'm using Zip Ties... my favorite method for plants.... Seriously there are 30 things to use zip ties on in a garden.. I use like $10-$15 worth of zip ties in a grow. I put some photos up above..




My method is this:
I will get four 11 inch long zip ties... and hook all 4 into eachother... Then I put them around my plants and connect them. So now *we* have a zip tie band, tied around the bottom of the pot.... Then I take another zip tie, and hook/connect it to that band (so a ring, connected to that band), on the side I am going to train on... THEN I use two zip ties, hook them together, wrap it around the plant, and CONNECT them to the HOOK tied to the BAND around the pots....... If that doesn't make sense I'll take some specific photos for you.

It works out really well. A zip tie will never loosen itself, and if you need a plant just a LITTLE bit more tied down then you just pull the zip ties a few extra clicks. The only problem is you can't undo clicks, so you will be straight up cutting down the zip ties you mess up... It's an art that requires you to go through a lot of zip ties before you perfect it


I recommend buying an assorted tube at home depot for like $11.. You get like 500 zip ties of different sizes which is very handy. Also I'd pick up a wire cutter if you don't have one, to cut the zip ties... They are quite thick.


I have found zip ties are not sharp enough to cut into your plants when training. They are really gentle.

Those babies are really taking off now! I just read through your whole journal and it's been a good read. Can't wasit to see the Headband filled out. Subbed.

That's very helpful thank you!