3 Blade Phenotype? Any PROVEN info out there?

jpeg666 · Jan 13, 2013

Is there PROVEN info anywhere about 3 blade phenos? like if it is genetic and if so, is it commonly paired with a gene?

I have a couple big mature plants that have HUGE 3 bladed leaves so I know they are mature and has nothing to do with age. I want to take clones and do some experimental observation to see if 3 bladed phenos have any unique characteristics also eventually seed one to see how dominant it is and to see what traits show up paired most often with the 3 bladed pheno

was mainly asking if anyone has done any scientific observation on these 3 bladed phenos and if they have posted their findings anywhere

jpeg666 · Jan 13, 2013

oops forgot to add pics of my plant

Also you can se in pic 2 there is even a single blade leaf

Noob grower1 · Jan 13, 2013

I've seen this.. Ain't it called duck feet.?

jpeg666 · Jan 13, 2013

Noob grower1 said:
I've seen this.. Ain't it called duck feet.?

I am not sure if it has a coined term. I'll look that up

Moebius · Jan 13, 2013

jpeg666 said:
Is there PROVEN info anywhere about 3 blade phenos? like if it is genetic and if so, is it commonly paired with a gene?

I have a couple big mature plants that have HUGE 3 bladed leaves so I know they are mature and has nothing to do with age. I want to take clones and do some experimental observation to see if 3 bladed phenos have any unique characteristics also eventually seed one to see how dominant it is and to see what traits show up paired most often with the 3 bladed pheno

was mainly asking if anyone has done any scientific observation on these 3 bladed phenos and if they have posted their findings anywhere

If you ....

Flower a plant and wait for it to get about 1/2 way to harvest. Take a clone and get it to root. Plant the clone and for the next month or so it will only produce 3 bladed leaf.

OK ... its not what you were really enquiring about but to me it demonstrated the trait is inherent within all Canna plants. Its probably a redundant genetic throwback to an earlier Cannabis ancestor.

I dont have the proof or scientific observations you asked for. :peace:

jpeg666 · Jan 13, 2013

I guess duck feet is a little different, I googled it and came up with a lot of these types

I guess duck feet is when th blades don't fully form and looks like webbed blades, hence the duck feet name

Moebius · Jan 13, 2013

Noob grower1 said:
I've seen this.. Ain't it called duck feet.?

Duck feet usually infers some type of webbing between the phalanges. At least it does when it occurs in humans. lol.

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beat me to it ^^

jpeg666 · Jan 13, 2013

Moebius said:
If you ....

Flower a plant and wait for it to get about 1/2 way to harvest. Take a clone and get it to root. Plant the clone and for the next month or so it will only produce 3 bladed leaf.

OK ... its not what you were really enquiring about but to me it demonstrated the trait is inherent within all Canna plants. Its probably a redundant genetic throwback to an earlier Cannabis ancestor.

I dont have the proof or scientific observations you asked for.

That makes sense, but that popped another question into my head, When what you described occurs is it the same cause of formation as all 3 bladed leaves or purely because the plant is too small to produce the full bladed leaves? I am wondering if in some plants it is a genetic abnormality that affects it through its entire life and also an effect that can happen to all other plants but not based purely on genes but due to size also.

jpeg666 · Jan 13, 2013

In other words can it happen to ALL plants at young ages? Then are the ones affected fully casued by a defunked gene

jpeg666 · Jan 13, 2013

If it can happen to all marijuana strains doesn't that mean they all have the same inherit gene that tells them what form of leaf to put out? If that previous statement is true then you can show it happen to 10 different strains you just might have to force it with condition

jpeg666 · Jan 13, 2013

This is very interesting to me because if it hasn't really been looked into, it could be nothing and undesirable or in an off chance it could be coupled with certain traits that are very desirable to some

Moebius · Jan 13, 2013

jpeg666 said:
That makes sense, but that popped another question into my head, When what you described occurs is it the same cause of formation as all 3 bladed leaves or purely because the plant is too small to produce the full bladed leaves? I am wondering if in some plants it is a genetic abnormality that affects it through its entire life and also an effect that can happen to all other plants but not based purely on genes but due to size also.

heres what I 'think'

A plant is essentially a bundle of code stored in every cell of the plant. Parts of the code are activated or turned on in response to specific external stimuli.

The 3 bladed leaf genes probably exists as a potential within all Cannabis plants. The trait is turned on when a budding clone returns to veg. Why it turns on in some plants and not others is probably a similar question as to why some people have a 'Darwinian tubercle' on their ears and others don't. Who knows.

topfuel29 · Jan 13, 2013

"Webbed Leaf" Ww or wW its a trait from the parents. It was probly a recessive trait. You just happen to get a seed that did not breed true. You get a ratio of seeds that will have certain traits. some will be tall some will be short some will flower quicker. they try to breed for certain traits. But theres allways a ratio of seed that dont have a few of the dominant traits you were looking for. But hey if it's just webbed leaf, who knows what other traits it might have. There a good read in marijuana botany on it

dbkick · Jan 13, 2013

I had one unknown seed turn out to be a triploid, it started with only 3 blade leaves but soon changed.Dunno if this is what you mean or not.

jpeg666 · Jan 13, 2013

Moebius said:
heres what I 'think'

A plant is essentially a bundle of code stored in every cell of the plant. Parts of the code are activated or turned on in response to specific external stimuli.

The 3 bladed leaf genes probably exists as a potential within all Cannabis plants. The trait is turned on when a budding clone returns to veg. Why it turns on in some plants and not others is probably a similar question as to why some people have a 'Darwinian tubercle' on their ears and others don't. Who knows.

could very well be. but what if it doesnt exist in all plants and is undesirable you would be able to breed it out right? but if it does exist in all plants that has to mean the gene is the same but abnormal in some way in the mature 3 blade plants or something along those lines.

also do we know 100% without a doubt it is expressed due to environment and not a static appearance that remains despite growing conditiions?

Moebius · Jan 13, 2013

jpeg666 said:
could very well be. but what if it doesnt exist in all plants and is undesirable you would be able to breed it out right? but if it does exist in all plants that has to mean the gene is the same but abnormal in some way in the mature 3 blade plants or something along those lines.

also do we know 100% without a doubt it is expressed due to environment and not a static appearance that remains despite growing conditiions?

With the plant is a ton of code that may never be activated. Its exists as a legacy of an earlier age. Nature probably keeps the code/information within the cells incase its needed eons later. It the way life is.

A phenotypical trait may be effectively bred out but mostly the genotype code remains, hidden.

The 3 blade trait can be expressed for various reasons and to various degrees.

Shivaskunk · Jan 13, 2013

Unless you started this plant from seed or have had it for months my bet is its a revegged cutting...they commonly put out single bladed leaves then triple bladed before going back to 7 or 9-11 ect. Dont think it has anything to do with size. Never ever seen a mature non revegged cannabis plant with 3 blades.

jpeg666 · Jan 13, 2013

Shivaskunk said:
Unless you started this plant from seed or have had it for months my bet is its a revegged cutting...they commonly put out single bladed leaves then triple bladed before going back to 7 or 9-11 ect. Dont think it has anything to do with size. Never ever seen a mature non revegged cannabis plant with 3 blades.

I started it from seed