400w Querkle Grow

psyte · Mar 18, 2012

Looking great. I didn't realize how big it was, that thing is huge!

Well, what you're saying just confirms for me that the problem on my first grow was the strain, not the setup. You're experiencing exactly what I did under the 400w and we also clearly have different phenos, so it's gotta be the strain in general. The top nugs will look great when finished, and it definitely is a very frosty strain, but I think your estimates about the ratio of buds to popcorn will probably turn out to be correct.

The more I read and see of subcool's stuff the more I think it is basically just pot snob weed. That's fine if that's what you're into I guess, and the medical community seems to love it. I'm kind of on the fence about it though. If my wife wasn't so into this strain, I'd probably be popping some other seeds by now.

BlazinL · Mar 18, 2012

Me personally. i will never grow this strain out ever again. The bud and plant are very beautiful but all the other qualities dont add up. slow grower, internode spacing sucks, nug development/size, popcorn out the ass, Yield (which is everybodys concern). there are better purple strains out there for your wife if she is into purple or exotic looking buds. you can even get something that is green for the bud with a frosty purple hue to it.

psyte · Mar 18, 2012

Nah it's not really the purple she's into... I wouldn't be cool with growing something just for color alone. I'm always down to find a nice looking pheno among the seeds, but people who rate bag appeal above everything else annoy the shit out of me. Plus half the time purple strains are nothing special at all. She says it's one of the best strains she's come across for pain relief and muscle spasms. Don't know why but if it works for her that's what's most important.

BlazinL · Mar 18, 2012

haha. Bag apppeal.lol. to me it all looks good in the bong.lol. talking about nice phenos, did you ever get your northern lights?

psyte · Mar 18, 2012

Yeah I'm lagging on those. I've had them for a while. I need a bigger grow area. I might do a bunch of small plants next run and leave some room for a couple little NL's.

rocknratm · Mar 20, 2012

psyte said:
Looking great. I didn't realize how big it was, that thing is huge!

Well, what you're saying just confirms for me that the problem on my first grow was the strain, not the setup. You're experiencing exactly what I did under the 400w and we also clearly have different phenos, so it's gotta be the strain in general. The top nugs will look great when finished, and it definitely is a very frosty strain, but I think your estimates about the ratio of buds to popcorn will probably turn out to be correct.

The more I read and see of subcool's stuff the more I think it is basically just pot snob weed. That's fine if that's what you're into I guess, and the medical community seems to love it. I'm kind of on the fence about it though. If my wife wasn't so into this strain, I'd probably be popping some other seeds by now.

I ordered vortex, pandoras box, qurazy train and jtr. 3 of 4 were heavy producers in the description. Im gonna give the females I get a shot, see how subs high yeilders do.

psyte · Mar 21, 2012

Yeah I'll be real curious to see how those do. One thing I don't like about sub's info is that there are quite a few strains that list one thing on the strain guide page and then say something else when you click on it and go into the details... at least that's how it was last time I checked a few months ago. That kind of inconsistency makes me question how accurate any of it really is.

psyte · Mar 21, 2012

Actually just checked the site and confirmed the info is conflicting on Querkle... and I believe has been changed since I ordered my seeds. I'm pretty sure it used to say med producer on the strain guide... now it says light producer there and when you go to the details it says med to heavy producer. I'd love to hear an explanation of how that makes any damn sense. Looking through other strains on there that have the same issues it makes me wonder if sub just makes this stuff up as he goes.

BlazinL · Mar 21, 2012

It seems like everything on that site is just cross bred with each other. Maybe 6 or 7 strains that are put together in different ratios. and like you said it says one thing on the front page but when you click it it tends to say other stuff.

rocknratm · Mar 21, 2012

psyte said:
Actually just checked the site and confirmed the info is conflicting on Querkle... and I believe has been changed since I ordered my seeds. I'm pretty sure it used to say med producer on the strain guide... now it says light producer there and when you go to the details it says med to heavy producer. I'd love to hear an explanation of how that makes any damn sense. Looking through other strains on there that have the same issues it makes me wonder if sub just makes this stuff up as he goes.

I wanna say it said small peoducer, but could be a big yeilder if yegged extra long. IMO querkle would be great outdoors, but with limited space and lumens its too much elaf and popcorn as you all heave said.
I cut one down, in a 3 gallon, Ill let you guys know the yeild in a few days

psyte · Mar 21, 2012

Yeah that's kind of what is says. But to me that's like saying if you grow a small plant you'll get a small yield, but a huge plant will get you a huge yield. Well yeah obviously... but that's not what anyone means when they talk about high yielder vs low yielder and every breeder knows that. Also, I vegged for nearly 10 weeks from the time the cutting was rooted (which I would a fairly long veg for indoors) and grew a 4'x4'x3' plant, which I would also consider fairly large for indoor. If you need to go bigger than that to get a good yield then fuck it, not worth the effort.

Outside would probably be better... but considering I flower under a 400w and BlazinL uses a 1000w and we both got a shit load of popcorn, that makes me think the strain just makes a lot of popcorn regardless.

Idk... it's still easy to grow and looks nice, and my wife and everyone I've shared it with loves the stuff... so I'm not trying to totally knock the strain, it's just that most growers are not going to be happy at all with the yield and amount of popcorn.

BlazinL · Mar 21, 2012

today is very exciting! got a call asking if i could go to work earlier, which is always good!! Thank god the plant is almost done then ill be able to take off and start the rest of my summer. start makin some real money. the economy in colorado sucks and they say they are bringing back jobs, which is true but only $10-13 jobs. which most families cant live off of and not a real career. And with the little experience i have nobody will let me stick my foot in the door to get a real career going. Not just another monkey turning a wrench. I even have a Associates degree and that seems like just a piece of paper now.

psyte · Mar 21, 2012

Shit man you should see how it is in michigan. Like a fuckin third world country here lol.
But yeah I know how it is... my associates degree might be useful as toilet paper but that's about it... $35,000 piece of toilet paper.
But seriously, good luck bro I really hope it all works out well for you.

psyte · Mar 21, 2012

Ok my first batch of hash is done. Since the original pics were lost in the great riu data loss of '12... here's some of the pics I took from start to finish.
I started with with 69.5g of frosty trim and popcorn and yielded 17.6g of hash. My wife, who's a heavy smoker, couldn't finish a .2g piece of it lol.

Here's the trim I started with:

After being ground up in a coffee grinder:

After shaking in a jar of iso alc for 1min then filtering through 125 micron mesh:

What's left after drying it out:

Scraped off the dish:

You can see in the previous pics that it separated into different layers (dark on top, light on the bottom). I wanted one consistency, so I put it in a smaller dish with a bit of alc and mixed it into a uniform sludge. Dried this overnight and then scraped it up again leaving the finished product:

rocknratm · Mar 22, 2012

BlazinL said:
today is very exciting! got a call asking if i could go to work earlier, which is always good!! Thank god the plant is almost done then ill be able to take off and start the rest of my summer. start makin some real money. the economy in colorado sucks and they say they are bringing back jobs, which is true but only $10-13 jobs. which most families cant live off of and not a real career. And with the little experience i have nobody will let me stick my foot in the door to get a real career going. Not just another monkey turning a wrench. I even have a Associates degree and that seems like just a piece of paper now.

I have a bachelor's degree in philosophy.... it is just a peice of paper lol. like talib kweli said, a degree- "just a peice of paper to me" I think "more or less" is the song

I only learned because of some great profs, otherwise I half assed my way through and got a 3.2 or so gpa. School has become a joke- a profit based institution

My gf's brother's band is from colorado.... they were talking mg's of edibles. beyond me. something about mountain towns? Any input?
I was so gone I dont remember

rocknratm · Mar 22, 2012

psyte said:
Ok my first batch of hash is done. Since the original pics were lost in the great riu data loss of '12... here's some of the pics I took from start to finish.
I started with with 69.5g of frosty trim and popcorn and yielded 17.6g of hash. My wife, who's a heavy smoker, couldn't finish a .2g piece of it lol.

Here's the trim I started with:
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After being ground up in a coffee grinder:
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After shaking in a jar of iso alc for 1min then filtering through 125 micron mesh:
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What's left after drying it out:
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Scraped off the dish:
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You can see in the previous pics that it separated into different layers (dark on top, light on the bottom). I wanted one consistency, so I put it in a smaller dish with a bit of alc and mixed it into a uniform sludge. Dried this overnight and then scraped it up again leaving the finished product:
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looks like roof shingles.... uck. im sure its potent but looks goofy

theTHCdoctor · Mar 22, 2012

forgetiwashere said:
i dont see the risk? is growing weed somehow harmful? its obviously in a sealed environment with all the proper ventilation etc and im sure the kids are not allowed in to see the plants or anything.

Its not the harmful effects of growing the actual plants!
Its the fact that at any given time if u dont have a permit u can be raided by fuzz. Now if it were ur son and lil did u know ur babysitter was growing and he got raided wit ur kids in there how would u feel?
I know id kill a nigga. Even tho im running a legit 28k grow i would still never consider having kids anywhere near it especially if they wernt my kids

psyte · Mar 22, 2012

rocknratm said:
I have a bachelor's degree in philosophy....

Explains the Nietzsche quote. Philosophy degree is probably almost as useless as my IT degree in this economy.

rocknratm said:
looks like roof shingles.... uck. im sure its potent but looks goofy

lol yeah it does look nasty. Usually it turns out like a black resin... I think it turned out not as resiny this time cause I grinded up the weed so fine. It's still pretty sticky and you can ball it up real easy, I just left it just how it scraped off the dish.

theTHCdoctor said:
Its not the harmful effects of growing the actual plants!
Its the fact that at any given time if u dont have a permit u can be raided by fuzz. Now if it were ur son and lil did u know ur babysitter was growing and he got raided wit ur kids in there how would u feel?
I know id kill a nigga. Even tho im running a legit 28k grow i would still never consider having kids anywhere near it especially if they wernt my kids

Ok, yeah I can see where you're coming from on that. Although if you're medical it's very unlikely you're gonna get busted by the cops as long as you're legit and the feds won't bother if you're under 100 plants. But I can still see your point... Most kids' parents probably wouldn't be okay with it if they knew.

AzCannaMan · Mar 23, 2012

psyte said:
Ok, yeah I can see where you're coming from on that. Although if you're medical it's very unlikely you're gonna get busted by the cops as long as you're legit and the feds won't bother if you're under 100 plants. But I can still see your point... Most kids' parents probably wouldn't be okay with it if they knew.

I think they would either want some of your meds or wouldnt want their kids within 100 yards of your house lol

28k sounds more like hundreds plants. You could easily do 100 with 10 - 12k and have retarded amounts of light on each.

AzCannaMan · Mar 23, 2012

psyte said:
Yeah that's kind of what is says. But to me that's like saying if you grow a small plant you'll get a small yield, but a huge plant will get you a huge yield. Well yeah obviously... but that's not what anyone means when they talk about high yielder vs low yielder and every breeder knows that. Also, I vegged for nearly 10 weeks from the time the cutting was rooted (which I would a fairly long veg for indoors) and grew a 4'x4'x3' plant, which I would also consider fairly large for indoor. If you need to go bigger than that to get a good yield then fuck it, not worth the effort.

Outside would probably be better... but considering I flower under a 400w and BlazinL uses a 1000w and we both got a shit load of popcorn, that makes me think the strain just makes a lot of popcorn regardless.

Idk... it's still easy to grow and looks nice, and my wife and everyone I've shared it with loves the stuff... so I'm not trying to totally knock the strain, it's just that most growers are not going to be happy at all with the yield and amount of popcorn.

Yeah your 4x4x3 plant is an insane fucking beast! If it didnt yield then WTF? Almost makes me not even want to flower mine, i just hrvested a strain which i got 8oz of nugs & 5oz of popcorn & trim off 6 plants. Under 1,000 I might add. Im shooting for 2Ps a light, not half of 1. 1 is me considering i did shitty... 1/2 is a damn travesty. Seems like the Querkle might be a waste of time if its just a big popcorn machine lol

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