400w Querkle Grow

ace720 said:

I hope so. I got it in a cut for two weeks now and still don't see roots. I started it the same time as my THC bomb and the bomb is almost 3 times the size, FOR REAL lol

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They take me a while to root also. I checked through my journals and they're typically like 16-18 days until they're ready for soil. Other strains in the same setup are typically under two weeks. They do veg very slow too. But they put on a lot of growth quickly in the first few weeks of 12/12 though.

The three Jillys planted on sunday (5/6) all sprouted this morning:

psyte said:

The three Jillys planted on sunday (5/6) all sprouted this morning:

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MMMMmmmmmmmm Jillybean

Great strain! May have to be on the future grow list! Congrads on the hopefully girls. You just plant straight into dirt and water right?

Yep straight to soil.

I used a mix of 6 part FFHF, 1 part Perlite, 1 part Growstone. I water that thoroughly and then put the seed on top and cover with about 1/2" of plain FFHF (the mix has some big chunks of stuff in it so I cover with just soil so there's nothing big for the seedling to have to deal with). Then I spray it with more water until that top layer is saturated. Then I just leave it under the flouros and give the top layer a light spray morning and night until the seed sprouts.

Also, this time I used some H2O2 because out of the last 10 seeds I've planted, two did not germ so I want to make the environment a bit more sterile. So before planting the seeds, I soaked them in a shotglass with 1ml H2O2 (3%) to 10ml water for 1 hour. Then when watering the soil I used water with 5ml/gal H2O2.

I also just found some powdery mildew this morning. It came from the damn dispensary clones. I noticed a bit on them in the first couple days I had them but I used some vinegar and didn't notice it coming back. Well today I found a couple small spots of it on those clones so I looked through everything in veg very closely and found at least one affected leaf on every plant. There's barely any right now so hopefully I can get a handle on it. I removed all affected leaves and got them out of the house. I'm planning on spraying all the plants in veg thoroughly with neem every few days for the next couple weeks and spraying the tent with some iso alcohol when the plants are out getting sprayed. I'm probably going to also spray neem on the plants in flower. I don't see any sign on them but they are only 2 weeks in so they're still safe to spray so I think I should do it while I still can just to be safe.
I would appreciate any advice if anyone else has battled this crap.

Shitty, at least its not 2 spotted mite like i got though. Try Serenade or PM Wash. I've heard once it' in the plant it's permanent & all you can do is hold it back not truly eliminate it.

Dude I hope that's not the case... that would totally fuck a perpetual grow. Mites are awful too. Hopefully we can both get a handle on this shit. Makes growing much more of a pain then it needs to be.

I dont think neem treats powdery mildew... could be wrong.

Yeah I hadn't heard that either... I found it listed in the Marijuana Garden Saver handbook in the treatments of powdery mildew. It's also one of the only diseases referred to by name on the bottle... which also claims to get rid of it within a couple treatments, we'll see. It's the only thing I have on hand so everything got sprayed very thoroughly today. I'll probably do another followup treatment in 3 days. After that I probably can't keep using it in flower but will in veg every week or so for a while.

psyte said:

Dude I hope that's not the case... that would totally fuck a perpetual grow. Mites are awful too. Hopefully we can both get a handle on this shit. Makes growing much more of a pain then it needs to be.

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I'm 99.9% sure it is unfortunately.

The mites fucked my perpetual grow right in the ass. Lost first crop to be infected, then had to chop the others early. Cleaned the room and waited over a month and a half (due to fear and discouragement) and they came back anyway but into my veg room this time onto my querkle moms...

All in all I lost at least 6 months which I have a 3 light setup so i can harvest once a month. Have yet to pull that off though, im hoping I finally have em licked and back on track!

On your PM make sure you have lots of circulation blowing around the middle of the plants constantly exchanging air in there. Otherwise humidity builds up in the canopy; thus causing PM... Or you got it with the clones because it stays in the plants. Happened to a buddy of mine on his whole crop of Purple Erkle clones from cali. All covered in PM after he had them for a while...

When you chop rinse the buds in a weak H2O2 and water solution (3%) which will make them safer to smoke, just hang and get as much water off a you can as quickly as possible after dunking and rinsing them. We vilontly flung them while holding them if that makes any sense to get the majority of the water off. THC isnt water soluible so it's all good...

psyte said:

Yeah I hadn't heard that either... I found it listed in the Marijuana Garden Saver handbook in the treatments of powdery mildew. It's also one of the only diseases referred to by name on the bottle... which also claims to get rid of it within a couple treatments, we'll see. It's the only thing I have on hand so everything got sprayed very thoroughly today. I'll probably do another followup treatment in 3 days. After that I probably can't keep using it in flower but will in veg every week or so for a while.

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I believe you can use serenade and PM wash in bloom. Obviously its not optimal to spray anything but it isnt optimal to be covered in PM either. Spores will spread it from plant to plant so be careful there too, when these are done clean everything like your trying to eliminate spores... because that's what you will be trying to eliminate....

Yeah it's definitely from the dispensary clones. The first time I got clones (from a different dispensary) I got mites. Unless its some killer rare strain I'm not fucking with clones from other people any more.

I found out a couple days ago that the guy I got em from just had to chop some of his plants recently because of powdery mildew... but he hardly pays any attention to his plants and it had been growing all over one that was up against a wall. He also does not use a dehumidifier and the humidity has been up around 80% lately. He claims he didn't know at the time he gave me the cuttings. Probably true actually after hearing how poorly he monitors his garden.

Since I've had the clones for almost a month now, I think my environment is luckily not too suitable to the pm otherwise I think it should have spread much further than a light spot or two on each plant (each spot about 1/2 the size of a dime). I will take your advice and makes sure to have as many fans as possible keeping the air circulating in the canopy. It should be easier this time since I'm growing small plants instead of one huge one like last time... that would have made this even more of a nightmare. I did end up finding a couple spots on 1 of the 4 plants in flower. I was really hoping it hadn't made it on to any of those, so we'll see how it goes.

psyte said:

Yeah it's definitely from the dispensary clones. The first time I got clones (from a different dispensary) I got mites. Unless its some killer rare strain I'm not fucking with clones from other people any more.

I found out a couple days ago that the guy I got em from just had to chop some of his plants recently because of powdery mildew... but he hardly pays any attention to his plants and it had been growing all over one that was up against a wall. He also does not use a dehumidifier and the humidity has been up around 80% lately. He claims he didn't know at the time he gave me the cuttings. Probably true actually after hearing how poorly he monitors his garden.

Since I've had the clones for almost a month now, I think my environment is luckily not too suitable to the pm otherwise I think it should have spread much further than a light spot or two on each plant (each spot about 1/2 the size of a dime). I will take your advice and makes sure to have as many fans as possible keeping the air circulating in the canopy. It should be easier this time since I'm growing small plants instead of one huge one like last time... that would have made this even more of a nightmare. I did end up finding a couple spots on 1 of the 4 plants in flower. I was really hoping it hadn't made it on to any of those, so we'll see how it goes.

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Sounds horrible. I hope you the best

psyte said:

Yeah it's definitely from the dispensary clones. The first time I got clones (from a different dispensary) I got mites. Unless its some killer rare strain I'm not fucking with clones from other people any more.

I found out a couple days ago that the guy I got em from just had to chop some of his plants recently because of powdery mildew... but he hardly pays any attention to his plants and it had been growing all over one that was up against a wall. He also does not use a dehumidifier and the humidity has been up around 80% lately. He claims he didn't know at the time he gave me the cuttings. Probably true actually after hearing how poorly he monitors his garden.

Since I've had the clones for almost a month now, I think my environment is luckily not too suitable to the pm otherwise I think it should have spread much further than a light spot or two on each plant (each spot about 1/2 the size of a dime). I will take your advice and makes sure to have as many fans as possible keeping the air circulating in the canopy. It should be easier this time since I'm growing small plants instead of one huge one like last time... that would have made this even more of a nightmare. I did end up finding a couple spots on 1 of the 4 plants in flower. I was really hoping it hadn't made it on to any of those, so we'll see how it goes.

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PM likes lack of circulation, swings in humidity levels of >10% at at time, and high humidity (>50% is considered high) - especially at night. Do you know what happens to your humidity at night? Typically they skyrocket unless you have something keeping it reasonable.

Sounds like you dont have it too bad, best of luck in keeping it at bay. May the ganja force be with you!

Next run of Querkle was at 3 weeks 12/12 yesterday. I've been pruning these quite a bit to see if it helps with the popcorn situation. The neem spray a week ago fried the pistils a bit but luckily lots of new fresh ones are growing.




Put a new querkle plant (from seed) to 12/12 yesterday also. Hoping it is a good pheno, if I'm lucky better than the current one. Don't think it's the super purp one though cause no purp during veg. Giving this one a good pruning too... you can see those big fat fan leaves only on the top few nodes cause I've pruned the rest of the large fans from the main stem. The first run from seed, those ended up forming an impenetrable canopy that all but completely blocked light below the main colas. We'll see if this helps.




My Jilly's sprouted a week ago today and are doing good:




Powdery Mildew situation seems to be going well for now... no sign of it since I sprayed everything with neem about a week ago. Been keeping the temps up in the low 80's, supposedly it doesn't do well at higher temp, and doing my damnedest to keep the RH below 50%, but even that requires running the dehumidifier and exhaust 24/7... can't seem to get it much below about 45% at best. I'm also going to pick up some greencure at the hydro shop tomorrow in case it comes back. That stuff sounds real good... can be used until harvest, totally organic, and supposedly doesn't mess with taste or smell.

rocknratm said:

I just returned a bag of ffof and got 2 bags roots organic.

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Hey did you end up doing any pH testing with the Roots? I just bought a bag of Roots Organic Original cause they were out of Happy Frog. After repotting a couple clones this morning, I tested the runoff pH.... 5.0!!! And this was using 8.0pH tap. The FFOF drops it as low as 6.0 so this stuff is dropping my pH even more drastically! I'll have to test it again throughout the grow to see if I keep getting the same results.
I already add 1tbsp/gal lime to the soil mix, but maybe more would help buffer it up a bit. But I'm not gonna worry about that unless I start having problems... so far these soils somehow just seem to work for me despite seeming to have way too low pH.

Whats up guy's. I've been following along for quite some time content to say nothing but, tonight my typing finger is feeling ambitous. I've seen some beautiful plants on this thread thanks for sharing. Unfortunately my camera is packed away God only knows where, so I can't reciprocate. Psyte I also found the PH low with a probe tester. I know their not known for accuracy but, my ph was always down close to 5.0 and my water is about 8.5 so go figure. The plants didn't seem to mind a bit. they didn't like too much Jacks Classic though, let me know real quick that I over did it. Dang it. Anyway I now know what you guys mean about Querkle and the small buds tight but small. And frosty as all get out. What a pain in the ASS to trim. I was literally stuck to every damn thing. Good smoke though. Definately needs some cure time to mello it out a little.
PS. Psyte I forgot to mention I was also growing in Roots, TOO many hits on the pipe me thinks........See ya's later

Jointed, thanks for posting bro and thanks for kind comments.
Yeah that's funny about the pH situation... it seems like it should cause problems but doesn't. I think it has to do something with using straight tap that has a high pH.
I use Jack's also... I'm curious what do you typically feed them? Depending on how quickly I need stuff to grow, I feed between a half to a full tsp of 20-20-20 in veg. In flower I feed a full tsp 20-20-20 until the stretch ends then switch to a tsp of 10-30-20 (feeding every watering). I was using 30-10-10 in veg for a while but they seemed to get way too dark green.
That's so true about trimming the querkle, what a fucking pain! I had one pheno I got rid of cause it was actually too frosty and resiny... I know that sounds weird to get rid of something like that, but it wasn't any more potent than the other pheno plus it's buds were fluffier... just wasn't worth the hassle of scraping off the scissors like every two minutes during trim. The huge chunk of scissor hash was the only up side!
Hope you come across the camera... I'd definitely love to see some pics.

no I havent tested it. Just going by pure results, if I add plain water they should be healthy through 3-4 weeks imo no nutes. In FFoF I could see the calcium problems start quick, 2nd-3rd week. I think ammended FF may do fine (dolamite lime).

Roots organic is really hot, if I had any delicate feeding strains I would hve to mix it with something inert.

Heres some pics of my next round.... no querkle, or maybe I put one last one in there... I forget. So far so healthy tho. One vortex is 5ft tall.

The ones almost ready are in FF about a week to go

TGA needs to make Fem. seeds