576 plants, legal?

flowering 288 at a time, with 288 vegging behind perpetually.
20,000+ watts running
paying retail for power (no CARE program). 3000$ +
no weapons on the property
no transactions on the property. ever
transactions? what for? this medicine belongs to the patients.
these plants are being grown for many,many patients, totaling over 100.

8 of these patients possess reccomendations from a doctor stating they can grow 99 plants and posess 16 lbs. interestingly enough this doctor, and medical cooperative, are located in a county that has a 6 plants per patient limit.

100 patients, 100 reccomendations, 6 plants each. also have the 8 patients with the 99 plants per reccomendation

by the numbers, there are enough recommendations present to account for all the plants.

is this real protection? and what context\situation\precedent can be referenced to back it up? how can these said patients protect themselves better? what would you do?

Serious advice\perspective needed!!

I don't care if someone had that many patients with those plant limits, anything over 99 plants is Fed territory.

ive ascertained that if a doctor writes you a rec for 99 plants and 16lbs, thats exactly what it is and will hold up in court.

what the law says about 5 or 6 those patients growing in a shared space is my concern

anyone who has experience or referable information,i would like to hear about it.

how did u fill out all those caregiver forms? what kind of doctor would give one caregiver that many patients? especially in a 6 plant limit county

just curious

I've got nothing of value to add, but I'm bookmarking this thread, because this is a damn good question.

Luger187 said:

how did u fill out all those caregiver forms? what kind of doctor would give one caregiver that many patients? especially in a 6 plant limit county

just curious

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as far as the "caregiver" forms nothing like that.. we have access to reccomendations through a dispensary that provides them.(the patients sign something when they become members that says the dispensary will grow plants using their rec)
the doctor writes a rec that says you personally can grow 99 plants. send 6 people you know to that doctor then post their recs in your room.
no caregiver status, just patients being smart...hopefully not too smart for our own good.

the county in question is known for alot of growing, most outdoor crops under 200 dont get bothered..even though the limit is 6, muchos gracias mafia el mexicano.
this doctor seems to be illuminating quite a method of being legal in an otherwise illegal grow...i dont know if i can have this much going on...i love my life and i really dont want to go to jail..my name isnt on anything anywhere at all, i just built the room and run it..theyre the ones that are residents on paper, i dont live there...i started a J at this beginning of this reply and now im high and off track..

All I have to say is state limit is still 99plants period, even after the kelly decision, really doesnt matter how many recommendations you got or what is recorded with the doctor, if your rolling with over 99plants then there can be potential problems...but hey I wish you the best of luck...peace

more questions for the lawyer..
how do you charge one person with growing all of the plants, when possession of the plants is specified to multiple patients through multiple recommendations? no one person is rollin with over 99 plants..

www.lawyers.com

I wouldn't take legal advice from someone whose not an expert, when it comes to freedom, why fuck around ya know? lol, just my opinion, I know lawyers are expensive, but I'm sure there's a firm downtown where you live, you could probably just call and get these questions answered for free

go get a lawyer, you should be able to afford one with a grow like that. One question I would ask is can you charge a rental or lease fee to the patients who grow their crop on your property. one question is who takes care of the plants, you or the patients. Also, all of this talk in the paper and media about cities and counties passing ordinances and permits for commercial medical marijuana operations is a bunch of hype. Ask yourself this, are there any companies that have actually and physically started growing plants on a commercial level? i think the answer to that is no unless someone can enlighten me. The reason is because in Federal Law, marijuana is still illegal and a controlled substance. let me repeat FEDERAL LAW MARIJUANA IS ILLEGAL. When the feds come in to your op and you say I'm legal under California law, they say "we don't give a shit what CA law says"

My advice is talk to a lawyer, read all of the medical marijuana cases that have been tried and have judgments, and you will get an idea of what the courts are saying, and keep an eye on federal level they already ok'd marjuana for vet's which is a giant step in the right direction. Nothing is legal or illegal until tried in court.

Like everyone else has already said if your over 99 plants it's federal. Even though you have a 100 recommendations, doesn't mean that you won't get charged for growing all of the plants. Whoever they catch at the property is the one who is going to get fucked with everything. Back to the original question, Under the state law you would be legal growing all those plants, but that doesn't mean they can't come raid your shit take everything and make you prove your case in court after they destroyed your life and crop. As thong as you stick to DTA and and pay your bills, you should be able to stay under the radar and help your patients in need. Since it's all indoor you should be alright because your not drawing a lot of attention to yourself with rows of plants outdoors. It's always going to be a gray area and even if you ask a lawyer many of these question he will tell you it's a lot of gray area. Hope this helped Good luck and stay safe.

Damn put it all in a grinder and sort out the plants all over california XD.. damn I'm fucking stoned..

I would like to werk for ya.

So the cookie crumbles like this...im legal,as long as the dea boys arent the ones asking..if someone did get charged with it they would probably get a 5 yr minimum mandatory sentence.

Alright..now that we got that covered..

I think im going to log this one..that way everyone who follows my journey can donate to my bail/lawyer fund.haha no really.

for reals, check me out in the journal section. im handling electrical and some fabrication tomorrow. Ill take pics and post em by sunday.

Alrighty, im gonna start the thread with som intro info until I got pics up

Padawanbater2 said:

www.lawyers.com

I wouldn't take legal advice from someone whose not an expert, when it comes to freedom, why fuck around ya know? lol, just my opinion, I know lawyers are expensive, but I'm sure there's a firm downtown where you live, you could probably just call and get these questions answered for free

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Lawyers... doing things for free????? where you from!?

stonedmetalhead1 said:

I don't care if someone had that many patients with those plant limits, anything over 99 plants is Fed territory.

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Correct. It's possible for the feds to ignore medical law and enforce federal law. Local/state police couldn't charge him, but they could call the feds if they wanted to. It's pretty rare for feds to enforce that since Obama took office, but it's possible. If you have legit medical paperwork for everything, you're in pretty good shape there.

Either way, anyone growing more than 99 should consult a very good lawyer ahead of time.

Padawanbater2 said:

www.lawyers.com

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Fuck that. Call my lawyer. He's fucking dope. One of the best in the state.

http://www.benricelaw.com/drug_cases.php

He makes this happen:

there is not a state limit since the repeal of SB420. The federal sentencing guidelines start at 100 plants. There is no such thing as a paper that makes it federally legal to grow at all. The feds dont usually take cases a small as your scene, unless there is a lot of valuable stuff to sieze. its all about money, and if they cant get any busting you, it makes it less attractive to them. pay attention to what your local DA says about what you can do. Cops get rated on their convictions, so they are less likely to pursue a bust if they know the DA will throw it out. None of these things can guarantee you safe passage to harvest, but ripping PG&E lets you take on a really proactive enemy, so its good you do not. The CARE program does not lead to busts as far as i have seen, but someone will have to let me know if they believe otherwise. Case history would suggest that your scene would not amount to a conviction, but that wont stop them from fukn u over and destroying your shit, or costing you lawyer money to get it sorted out. i am not a lawyer, just been at this for a long time. you should really talk to a lawyer with a scene like that. Some hotshots in the game: Bill Panser, David Nick, Manny Daskal, Bruce Margolin, Adam Gasner, Eyeser (cant remember his first name, from Mendo). The info is not hard to find. Some of these guys are real activists, who are very up to date on legal cannabis.