Xeno420
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Ummmm, I don't know in which sense you're saying it but ok, sure.Almost like a white guy with the name of Xeno ... riiiiiiight.
Ooooohhhhhh!!! I get it now, like calling a black dude CrackerJax (Crackerjacks)...
6 Inconvienient truths about slavery.
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Ooooohhhhhh!!! I get it now, like calling a black dude CrackerJax (Crackerjacks)...
CrackerJax
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I mean that if an Asian has a name like Rick White..... a white guy with the moniker Xeno shouldn't be the one to question it... 
You don't really think that's his real name do you? Xeno.......
You don't really think that's his real name do you?
Xeno.......
StreetRider
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You are right there was a time in history that they were needed. Now a days they killed the car industry and did not help the steel industry. Yes, there are other issues with those industries, but the unions and union workers bleed them dry. Now, a lot of them are out of work.I said that before,,I have lived it, worked at good and bad places, but to say all places will treat there workers with respect is crazy, some will take care of you,,which is where I'm at now,,but other places, really could give 2 cents, for you hard work. My beef is it's alway's the Bigger company's screwing the employees, and if they had there way it would really suck for the majority of US workers. I AM NOT UNION,,but I get why they created. look back in history
CrackerJax
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Here's a kicker......
Govt. employees are all unionized.
WHY?????!!!?????
Where's the evil corporation? So the govt. employee doesn't trust the govt?
No govt. worker should be allowed to join a union. It's nonsense.
Govt. employees are all unionized.
WHY?????!!!?????
Where's the evil corporation? So the govt. employee doesn't trust the govt?
No govt. worker should be allowed to join a union. It's nonsense.
PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1
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I know I been throgh your state,,Beem through many states.
I'm a worker and totally understand the mess,,Unions and the state and feds and Big Industries and power had Everything to do with that.
To me Everything has changed in The USA, It just effected you more, and I understand your Anger.
You have been hit with Bomb, cash wise!, If I were you I'd move and start over,,or just Party a Lot
PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1
Well-Known Member
Here's a kicker......
Govt. employees are all unionized.
WHY?????!!!?????
Where's the evil corporation? So the govt. employee doesn't trust the govt?
No govt. worker should be allowed to join a union. It's nonsense.[/QUOTE] What good Employee does not trust the systems?
CrackerJax
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The Govt. isn't a corporation. All contracts are public domain. There could be no shafting. As it stands now the shafting is done by them upon us. Govt. employees get paid far more than private sector employees doing the very same job, yet actually do not contribute to the GDP in any meaningful way. They are a drag on the economy. Unionized makes them even more so.
It defies logic to have a govt. employee unionized.
It defies logic to have a govt. employee unionized.
PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1
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Everything the local, state, federal. govenments Buy are all contracted, through Private Large, medium, and small Buissness, Is it all that Bad?,
CrackerJax
New Member
What does buying have to do with employees of the govt.?
The govt. certainly has to buy everything since it produces nothing..... for anyone, except regulation and paper pushing.
The govt. certainly has to buy everything since it produces nothing..... for anyone, except regulation and paper pushing.
RickWhite
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Sounds like what you are feeling is white guilt.
CrackerJax
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The article is not about excusing anything. It merely brings slavery into its correct historical context.
Slavery has historically been the grease applied to the wheel, morals aside. Slavery historically has been practiced on every continent, by every race. It's integral to human history.
There is more slavery today than has ever existed. It hasn't gone away. It still surrounds you & I.
Slavery has historically been the grease applied to the wheel, morals aside. Slavery historically has been practiced on every continent, by every race. It's integral to human history.
There is more slavery today than has ever existed. It hasn't gone away. It still surrounds you & I.
undertheice
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in that original post we have all seen what we wanted to see. those unable to control their emotions have damned the institution of slavery and every rational conversation about it must contain severe condemnation of the practice or they will never be satisfied. those who aren't caught up in that frenzy have seen the logic of the article and, unluckily, have temporarily joined forces with that faction which cannot fail to support any right wing pundit, no matter the cause. the fact that it was written by a self-avowed conservative commentator has led those with a liberal tilt to find racism and those with a conservative bent to run to his defense, leaving those of us with no particular political ax to grind to wonder what all the hubbub is about. though #6 may seem a bit defensive over the whole slavery thing, in its entirety it is a dispassionate discourse on one of humanity's most dismal failures of conscience.
some of the inane utterances and foolish notions written in these pages have shown an undeniable failure to grasp the lessons of history. as we look back, we see time and again that mankind is capable of rationalizing almost any abomination. if you would have said, a mere two hundred years ago, "slavery is wrong. period.", most of your friends and neighbors would have, at best, given you a blank uncomprehending stare and, more likely than not, considered you a babbling fool. the defamation of a time honored and accepted institution like slavery would not have made you many friends. slavery's economic and social importance throughout history, though regrettable, is irrefutable.
the false concept that slavery based on race was somehow invented or perfected for the american continent is another idea born of ignorance and guilt. race is not merely a matter of skin color and is more a societal construct than anything else. it has never been uncommon for a conquering society to consider its slaves as of less importance than themselves, a different sort of creature to be bent to their command. africa had been raided for labor by its neighbors for centuries before even the europeans were finally able to sail down the coast and capture the natives on their own for their work force. the portuguese, then the dutch, french and british all brought home these dark skinned laborers before sending them across the atlantic to their colonial holdings. the caribbean is strewn with islands populated largely with the descendants of slaves brought to work the colonial sugar plantations and later freed through either conscience or rebellion.
the west equates slavery with racism, but the two have entirely different roots. we distrust and often despise that which is different. we crave that which will easily expand our own wealth and comfort. two different roots; neither particularly appetizing, but still a part of what we are.
some of the inane utterances and foolish notions written in these pages have shown an undeniable failure to grasp the lessons of history. as we look back, we see time and again that mankind is capable of rationalizing almost any abomination. if you would have said, a mere two hundred years ago, "slavery is wrong. period.", most of your friends and neighbors would have, at best, given you a blank uncomprehending stare and, more likely than not, considered you a babbling fool. the defamation of a time honored and accepted institution like slavery would not have made you many friends. slavery's economic and social importance throughout history, though regrettable, is irrefutable.
the false concept that slavery based on race was somehow invented or perfected for the american continent is another idea born of ignorance and guilt. race is not merely a matter of skin color and is more a societal construct than anything else. it has never been uncommon for a conquering society to consider its slaves as of less importance than themselves, a different sort of creature to be bent to their command. africa had been raided for labor by its neighbors for centuries before even the europeans were finally able to sail down the coast and capture the natives on their own for their work force. the portuguese, then the dutch, french and british all brought home these dark skinned laborers before sending them across the atlantic to their colonial holdings. the caribbean is strewn with islands populated largely with the descendants of slaves brought to work the colonial sugar plantations and later freed through either conscience or rebellion.
the west equates slavery with racism, but the two have entirely different roots. we distrust and often despise that which is different. we crave that which will easily expand our own wealth and comfort. two different roots; neither particularly appetizing, but still a part of what we are.
RickWhite
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Under,
I don't really take issue with most of what you said, however I think some background on the Author's intentions are in order. The author is a history nut who makes much of his living defending America against the false claims of the left, arguing much of the time that America, despite her faults, has been the greatest source of good of any Nation. That is why he ends many of his articles and his daily radio shows with the phrase "greatest Nation on God's green Earth." The article was not meant to rationalize slavery nor to make light of its horrors. The article was meant to counterbalance the six false claims commonly promoted by those that wish to show America in the worst possible light. He has also written a book titled "The ten big lies about America."
I can see how some of this might seem like an excuse for slavery but I think that has more to do with our feelings and predispositions toward the issue rather than the authors objective analysis of plain facts. Even in my eyes I can see how many might come to the above conclusions and that is kind of why I posted the article. I am one however, with no feelings of white guilt of any kind. My ancestors came to this country during WWII and even if they did not the concept of collective guilt is too silly to entertain in the first place.
I don't really take issue with most of what you said, however I think some background on the Author's intentions are in order. The author is a history nut who makes much of his living defending America against the false claims of the left, arguing much of the time that America, despite her faults, has been the greatest source of good of any Nation. That is why he ends many of his articles and his daily radio shows with the phrase "greatest Nation on God's green Earth." The article was not meant to rationalize slavery nor to make light of its horrors. The article was meant to counterbalance the six false claims commonly promoted by those that wish to show America in the worst possible light. He has also written a book titled "The ten big lies about America."
I can see how some of this might seem like an excuse for slavery but I think that has more to do with our feelings and predispositions toward the issue rather than the authors objective analysis of plain facts. Even in my eyes I can see how many might come to the above conclusions and that is kind of why I posted the article. I am one however, with no feelings of white guilt of any kind. My ancestors came to this country during WWII and even if they did not the concept of collective guilt is too silly to entertain in the first place.
undertheice
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rick
i know well the author's background and intent. i used to listen to him while leaving l.a. and there is no doubt of his conservatism. my only problem with the article as a whole was his final contention that the descendants of america's freed slaves enjoyed a better life than if their ancestors had remained in africa. though it may be true, that cannot make up for their original enslavement and to even bring it up smacks of apologetics and rationalization.
i know well the author's background and intent. i used to listen to him while leaving l.a. and there is no doubt of his conservatism. my only problem with the article as a whole was his final contention that the descendants of america's freed slaves enjoyed a better life than if their ancestors had remained in africa. though it may be true, that cannot make up for their original enslavement and to even bring it up smacks of apologetics and rationalization.
StreetRider
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Once agan.... WE are talking about intentions and backgroudns... What about the facts? You don't like the author. I understand that. You thinkg the author is a racist. You are allowed to think that. But, why is it that it seems the only thing that will make you happy is for everyone to walk around with their heads hnd low in shame. It' not my sins of the past. Thy does that make people upset? I did not have anything to do with salavery, my family had nothing to do with slavery. It's just not my cross to bear.
And yes, EVERY country has made horrible mistakes in their pat. If you can find one who hasn't then we should all move there. MAybe Canada.... <g>
And yes, EVERY country has made horrible mistakes in their pat. If you can find one who hasn't then we should all move there. MAybe Canada.... <g>
CrackerJax
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There's nothing to make up for. It was accepted practice. IT STILL IS!!!!!
There is more slavery today than at the end of the Civil War. Estimated 27 million are enslaved today.
Where's the protests?????
There is more slavery today than at the end of the Civil War. Estimated 27 million are enslaved today.
Where's the protests?????
Leothwyn
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Bullshit - I don't feel at all guilty for being white, and am not responsible for slavery.
I don't disagree with any of Medved's points - I just think they're a bit pointless. Like I said before, I don't know a single person who believes that america invented slavery.
I don't see the same conspiracy that he does. Our history lessons in school are focused on american history - the good and the bad. It's the country we live in.
His points are all true, but still come off as trying to minimize how wrong it was - JUST like the hypothetical example I posted about the serial rapist.
iblazethatkush
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Interesting post. He tries to stretch the truth in his favor a little bit, imo. I'm not sure if #4 is accurate?
While it may true the northern states, which outlawed slavery, outperformed the southern states economically. Wasn't slavery the driving force behind the economy in the years leading up to this? Is it disingenuous to pretend that slavery played no role in the creation of our wealth??? I don't know enough about this to say for sure...Hopefully, some of the smarter posters can answer this for me?
Azgrow
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these kind of ignorant posts is why people cant have an educated talk about slavery....before we "white devils" came over there to take Africans back to America...they were enslaving each other into their tribes 100's of years prior to the first ship setting foot there....since the first true civilizations started in those area's y'all can thank people of a darker skin for coming up with the idea...that to the victor go the spoils of war...foods, goods, an people....az
RickWhite
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It is widely accepted among historians that the cotton industry had little or nothing to do with America's wealth. It was manufacturing that produced the bulk of the wealth we enjoy today. This isn't an area of debate.
As for those saying how the article sounds racist to you, that may be true but you have to understand that this is an inference made by the reader and not an implication made by the author. If a person from another country read the article it is likely they would make no such inference. Our perspective on the issue has been colored (no pun intended) by us having grown up in a society where this has been such a central issue.
As for those saying how the article sounds racist to you, that may be true but you have to understand that this is an inference made by the reader and not an implication made by the author. If a person from another country read the article it is likely they would make no such inference. Our perspective on the issue has been colored (no pun intended) by us having grown up in a society where this has been such a central issue.