600gs of shake yield?

ran some trial runs today.

1st was 30gs of shake not well grinded came out with 1.1 of some nice yellow wax (still need to vac purge)

2nd run was 30gs of shake a grinded a little more finely stuffed in the extractor (bad idea) came out with 1.7gs.

3rd was 30gs of shake finely grinded maybe 33gs not stuffed in the extractor and got 2.3 gs.

4th run was 50gs of shake finely grinded and got 3.1gs.

The numbers are going up which is awesome to see. just womdering if i should be getting more or less.

I plan on running the 600 this weekend as long as i feel confident with my extraction method. Also what i should expent. really would like to see 112g yield off of the 600gs or shake.

thakns guys any help/ comments/ critisism would be greatly apprecited!

smart move with the test runs!

what kind of outcome do you want? a hard shatter? a sticky oil? i taffy? a wax??

it goes like sooooo:

less agitation (breaking down of buds) = higher quality = less yield .. connoisseur status

more agitation = higher yield = lesser quality, yet still delicious .. what you should do, heavy yield..

Thanks for the quick reply Guzias1. looking for a higher yeild. if i use a vacuum perge like the one on extractionexperts.com will it turn the yellow taffy i have now into more of a shatter? i thought the vacuum perge was the last thing to do before shatter. Again thanks for the input any more wiuld be awesome!

Thanks

take a look through my "How I Wax" link, I got pages of info, and questions/answers in there.. hope it covers a lot..

that website is coool. lots of toys.

if you are leaning towards a vacuum, make sure you get a 3cfm+ one.. DO NOT BUY A HANDHELD ONE. k

check out my link.. i got a long ass video i just put up.. covers a lot..

Guzias1 said:

DO NOT BUY A HANDHELD ONE

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Def believe him, I already had a brake bleeder on hand so i gave it a shot...and it reminded me of high school "clamp races" where you extend a quick grip clamp all the way and see who can crank it tight the fastest (by squeezing the handle). Lol takes forever to pull a vacuum even on a 4x4x8 mason jar soooo if you're going to invest money in the first place might as well put it towards a nice 2-stage pump even if you don't plan on making runs but once a month or less. A single stage may be just fine...but in my experience i almost always buy the best i can find if i know i'm going to use the shit out of it.

Hope everything turns out great! I'm doing my very first BHO runs this weekend. I'm also very curious about the yield because I want to switch over to mainly concentrates.

Also...thanks for making those trial runs. Nicely summarized. Basically did it for me! By shake are you talkin the "crumbs" left over or just a varying size of material including trim? Only reason I ask is that I plan on using pretty much the entire plant except a select number of pristine colas, but thanks to Guizias1 i will be breaking down the buds to get max yield...until i figure out how long the oil will last me.

unless the 600g is some way better trim u wont get anywhere near 112g with the numbers u posted i would expect 35-45 gr max good luck

after some math i figured 40gs would be a goal to aim for and not dissappoint myself. what specific vaccuum pump does everyone use? im on amazon now trying to oreder one just not sure which model to get. i know at least 3cfm and 2 stage. theres one for $89 that 3.9cfm 2 stages or one for $160 that is 5cfm 2 stages. Also i am going to order the vac -t pro chamber off ebay.

lolll, vac it pro off ebay.. mine arrived about 2 weeks ago..

I sealed up the fittings before actually using it..

i have had no problems yet! my chamber has not exceeded about 160F holds a great vac..

NOW, I have heard bad things about the product from vacpurge.. but he has had his under different situations than mine, and a bit longer.. SOOO, im hoping mine is fine, im doing my 5th batch in it tonight. Shes holding strong! and i fucken love the real chamber..

as for the vacuum, i would go with the 5cfm. AS 650Buffet mentions

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• takes forever to pull a vacuum even on a 4x4x8 mason jar soooo if you're going to invest money in the first place might as well put it towards a nice 2-stagepump even if you don't plan on making runs but once a month or less."​
  
  

that is with the handheld vac..

with my 3cfm vac, my 1 liter mason jar got to full vac in a fairly quick amount of time..

now that i have the new 3 gal chamber, getting to full vac takes quite a whileeee..

if you plan on getting a real chamber for common use, go with the better vac..

if you want to do this lightly, id go with the 3cfm, and mason jar setup.. ( i've ran over 25lbs through this type of setup pretty worry free.. )

where could i find the 3cfm pump and mason jar set up? im interested in checking it out although i think the vac it pro system with the 5cfm pump is what ill end up with

i got my 3cfm off amazon.. its called and FJC pump


( these can easily implode or shatter, so be careful)
i made a chamber out of a mason jar .. very simple, get a few different "wide mouth" jars .. i had a small, medium, and large jar on hand.. One lid fits all 3..

its up to your imagination to figure it out, but i was able to connect my hose from my vacuum pump, to my lid, with a few modifications, and glue :]



if this is what you think you will end up with, i would say, pause, save up funds, and just start off with it...

• i think the vac it pro system with the 5cfm pump is what ill end up with​
  
  
  
  

yeah i dont think the mason jar is really what i need. i think the vac it pro system is where its at. i have also been looking at extraction experts vac pump system for $300 although the vac chamber looks like a hard plastic and i dont think it will hold up to being heated like the vac it pro system. Is heat during vac completely necessary?

thanks again

dewinitbig said:

yeah i dont think the mason jar is really what i need. i think the vac it pro system is where its at. i have also been looking at extraction experts vac pump system for $300 although the vac chamber looks like a hard plastic and i dont think it will hold up to being heated like the vac it pro system. Is heat during vac completely necessary?

thanks again

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heat is key my friend!

and precise heat readings are very important to the process.. tis advised to pick up a laser thermometer so you know how hot your chamber is..

HAVE YOU NOT LOOKED AT ANY OF MY INFO/VIDEO? ? if you are using a vacuum, heat is necessary.. and i would rec a metal chamber


no heat in a vacuum only get you so far..

i did watch your videa and am taking your advice. i just moved and theres a lot of controversy over how to extract butane from wax/oil. a lot of people here are saying vac perges are a waste of money although where im from thats the only thing we'd try to get (shatter). I am just trying to get as many opinions and advice as possible. i want the best product i can make obviuosly.

thanks again

dewinitbig said:

i did watch your videa and am taking your advice. i just moved and theres a lot of controversy over how to extract butane from wax/oil. a lot of people here are saying vac perges are a waste of money although where im from thats the only thing we'd try to get (shatter). I am just trying to get as many opinions and advice as possible. i want the best product i can make obviuosly.

thanks again

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haaa. i would say my vacuum has more than paid for itself..

butt, there are ways without a vacuum..

Shatter is carboxylic acid. To keep the extract in carboxylic acid state, requires that little heat is used. Heat decarboxylates the carboxylic acid into its non acid form, which is softer and more pliable.

It is easier to purge with little heat, using a vacuum. I can do things in a vacuum at 115F faster and more completely than I can do them without a vacuum at 140F.

Thanks Fadedawg waiting on my vac system now..

and i'm waiting for pictures

Fadedawg said:

Shatter is carboxylic acid. To keep the extract in carboxylic acid state, requires that little heat is used. Heat decarboxylates the carboxylic acid into its non acid form, which is softer and more pliable.

It is easier to purge with little heat, using a vacuum. I can do things in a vacuum at 115F faster and more completely than I can do them without a vacuum at 140F.

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Fade,
can you explain better this plz? If you want Shatter glass bho, you NEED to heat it? is the purge on double bloiling water method enought? for those who doesn't have a vac

mokuro said:

Fade,
can you explain better this plz? If you want Shatter glass bho, you NEED to heat it? is the purge on double bloiling water method enought? for those who doesn't have a vac

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Zero heat would be best, but the oil has to be hot enough for the surface to be liquid, to let the bubbles escape. If we spread it in really thin films, we can purge and achieve shatter around 140F, but we can do it at 115F under vacuum.