600watt MH/HPS 4'x4' homemade grow room

figured I'd throw some shots up off the buds that I'm smoking on for the week,
-pics. 1-3 are of a bud out of my top shelf jar(good ol' no name)
-pics. 4-6 are of some nuggets out of a jar I got, I would say middle shelf stuff(dude said it was blue dream but you never know for sure unless your the one putting the seeds in the ground I feel like)
-pics. 7-9 are my bottom shelf stuff, it is really bad quality to what I normally like to get but thats part of the problem latley is that is what is available now sooooooooo I sure hope I get this right and don't have to deal with shady deals anymore ooooo yes last pic is of the keif that my new grinder has collected over the past 3 days

edit: damn the pictures came up all out of order lol. o well let me know which bud you think looks the best and we will see if it was the one the smokes the best

liking the grow room lots new stuff is getting me a little turned on .... just a little

Nice setup man! Sub'd and cant wait to see some seedlings in there!

What the hell I've had the lights over these little pots for 2 days now and nothing has broke through the surface on any of them! I don't know if it was just luck last time or what but when I did it 2 years ago 75% of the seedlings poped through the surface after the first 24 hours and I wasn't even using HID lighting back then. It was just some lame spur of the moment grow I pulled off with the florecents that are in the new room that I'm running now. I don't understand why nothing has poped up yet a germinated 11 bag seeds and had 4 of them sprout their tap root after the first 24hrs of germinating so I planted those in the small JiffyPot3's that hold prolly a little over half a solo cup worth of organic seedling stater soil mixed 75% to 25% cactus and pearlite mix for better drainage and for better airation of the roots. I read earlier today thatreally high heat 90F is good when tending to seedlings and that high hummidity is good when sprouting and vegging but to drop it way down when flowering seemed like there was lots of viable reasons they gave behind this method so I put my 4 little pots inside of a Jiffy seed starter dome and put a wet paper towl in the bottom of the try beside the pots to keep my hummidity at 80% and my temp. at 90F so maybe now I will see some action.

any ideas or comments?

make sure the soil has enough water content ( mist the top a little if not, rather then flood it ) and unless your really really unlucky they will come

very organised i must say!... i did mine in paper towel inside a tupperware tub on my cable box....and straight under cfl in soil when they'd cracked ...lol

So I built this box with the intention of being able to flower 4-6 plants in it. Since I only had 4 little bag seeds in there and they haven't poped through the surface yet after almost 3 days under the light now, it didn't seem like I was on the right track for the goal of flowering 4-6 plants. So I germed almost the rest of the bag seeds(about 12-15)that I had and after about 30hrs. and on the first time I checked them, 9 of them had sprouted their tap root! 2 of the 9 had just cracked the seed and the root wasn't out yet so I put them into the same pot to fight it out or maybe I'll get lucky and they can work together to become a 2 head monstor plant.

???????FOR ALL YOU GUYS RUNNING MH AND HPS??????????
I'm still battling with the temps that are put off my this 600watt MH buld. Do MH bulbs run hotter then HPS bulbs or are they about the same because really my temps are fine for seedlings and vegging(at about 80F when I keep the hallway door open) but I would like for them to come about 10 degrees for when I'm flowering

IT'S STILL TO HOT!!!!
Still having problems running the grow room with both the doors shut(door of the grow room and the door to the room that the grow room is in that the grow room is in) I built the grow room in the corner of a spare bedroom that I use as a home office, the diminsions of the office are probably about 14'x10'x8', the problem I'm having is that all the hot air I push out of the grow room gets traped in the office unless I leave the door to the office open but the problem with doing that is all the equipment in the growroom (i.e. light, fans) are way to loud to run with the office door open and for nobody to ask questions about "the big loud gray box in that room over there" whenever I have company over. I need some ideas on how to spread the hot air around the house better or I need a good way to vent it outside so that the air that the intake fans pull in isn't 90 degrees when it comes in.

PICS.
1. four pots that I started with a few days ago(mostly cactus in the mix of those)
2. Jiffy organics seed starter
3. Schultz cactus
4-5. 1 bag of cactus and half bag of Jiffy organics
6-7. wet Jiffy peat pots, fill with soil mix
8-10. germinated seeds
11-12. view of the growroom with all the babies in it.

And.............................. ACTION!!!!!!! ... come on the seedlings!

oh and numbers will be reduced with the odd male being culled along the way so you may have enough room with some creative S&M

I just made my first order from Attitude seed bank and I can't wait till I get to grow them.

Heres what I got:
all feminized
5 - G13's Blueberry Gum
3 - G13's Pineapple Express(free for the Holloween special)
1 - World of Seeds' Afgan Kush Ryder auto
1 - UFO#1 CH9 Bubba Kush33(freebie)
1 - UFO#1 CH9 somethin somethin(another freebie)


I'm gonna use the bag seed that I have in my room right now as my practice run and then I'll start using some real genetics in there starting with these lovely ladies.(prolly gonna throw the AfganKush Auto in there right away if it gets here fast enough) Let me know if anyone out there has any expereince with any of these strains and if so how you liked them.

Sounds like a nice lineup. MH an HPS put out about the same amount of heat. You really need to get an inline fan to vent your hood with. I would recommend getting a larger fan an running it at a lower speed - a 440cfm on a dimmer would do you well, or a 200cfm running full blast (will be louder).

Gastanker said:

Sounds like a nice lineup. MH an HPS put out about the same amount of heat. You really need to get an inline fan to vent your hood with. I would recommend getting a larger fan an running it at a lower speed - a 440cfm on a dimmer would do you well, or a 200cfm running full blast (will be louder).

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yea I went to my local grow shop like 2 days ago and picked up an ecoplus 4" inline fan(its rated right around 200cfm) it's kinda loud but my growbox is built from insulation foam board so its not to bad as long as I keep the door shut. Last night I managed to bring the temps down to where I like it, kinda embarressing but whenever I installed my new inline fan and the extra ducting, from the fan to the hood, I never checked the seals on the connections after I turned on the fan until like a day and a half later last night I was reaching back in to the box to lower the light a little bit and felt this blast of hot air, I was like what the hell happened duct tape, but then just added a little more tape and I have dropped the high temp of 100F inside the box to a much more tollerable 85F. On the bright side at least I got the temps under control and I didn't even have to buy anymore fans lol.

blueberrylabs said:

yea I went to my local grow shop like 2 days ago and picked up an ecoplus 4" inline fan(its rated right around 200cfm) it's kinda loud but my growbox is built from insulation foam board so its not to bad as long as I keep the door shut. Last night I managed to bring the temps down to where I like it, kinda embarressing but whenever I installed my new inline fan and the extra ducting, from the fan to the hood, I never checked the seals on the connections after I turned on the fan until like a day and a half later last night I was reaching back in to the box to lower the light a little bit and felt this blast of hot air, I was like what the hell happened duct tape, but then just added a little more tape and I have dropped the high temp of 100F inside the box to a much more tollerable 85F. On the bright side at least I got the temps under control and I didn't even have to buy anymore fans lol.

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Awesome. I've done the same thing multiple times - week goes by with super high temps and then I finally notice the ducting has fallen off the back of the hood...

Glad to see that you got a good inline fan. My first go around I had 2 bathroom exhaust fans and an inline booster all of which added up to like 300cfm so I thought I would be golden - little did I know that they can barely push through ducting and definitely not through a carbon filter efficiently.

Gastanker said:

Awesome. I've done the same thing multiple times - week goes by with super high temps and then I finally notice the ducting has fallen off the back of the hood...

Glad to see that you got a good inline fan. My first go around I had 2 bathroom exhaust fans and an inline booster all of which added up to like 300cfm so I thought I would be golden - little did I know that they can barely push through ducting and definitely not through a carbon filter efficiently.

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see you don't learn sh*t like this in the scouts.... the most common error is human error

troutie said:

see you don't learn sh*t like this in the scouts.... the most common error is human error

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yea, I think that a little more human error is the reason why I haven't gotten any seedlings yet I started digging down on one of the pots and realized that I had like an inch of dirt on top of the seed(no way they could push through to the surface from there) so I removed a lot of the dirt the until I got down to the little root(which is much bigger in most of them now) and then recoverd it with just like an 1/8 inch of soil. Hopefully I didn't ruin them with my mistake and I can still save them.

Even though I had all my germinated seeds covered up with way to much soil over the past 2 or 3 days it looks like after removing almost a whole inch of dirt I'm gonna be able to save atleast a few of them, I had 2 break through to the surface this morning and I have a few more bagseeds that I'm germinating right now for my back ups

keep em coming! .... like i've found little things make a massive difference

today it was almost 80 degrees out side so I had some problems keeping my temps down. The problem seems to be that since my exhaust just goes right outside the growroom and into the room that the growroom was built in(the office), after 8-10hrs. of the light being on the ambient temps in the office get up to the high 80's! For a few days we had a cold front coming through so I was able to just open the window and let the cool outside air exchange with the hot air in the office but today it was 81F for most of the day so opening the window didn't help at all. I'm sick of writting these heat problem updates so I decide to go with what I think is the ultimate solution so that I won't have to write anything else about heat problems for the rest of the growrooms life. I moved my exhaust from the top left hand side of the growroom to the roof of the growroom and now instead of the hot air from the fan dumping into the office it now goes through the roof of the growroom and into the attic(actually hoping that this helps me run my heat less since in theary I'll have a cusion of hot air in my attic insulating the rest of my house from the outside) I also picked up a 120cfm duct booster fan from sunleaves to add to the growroom so now I have (2) 6" duct booster fans(the one I got today is rated for like 50cfm more than the first one I got though) so now I have an intake at the top of the room and the at the bottom so with all this being done I'm pretty confident that my temps will now be more in control than before.


Pics
#1-3) pics of the new exhaust job
#4) pic of the ballast and one of the intake fans with a light trap mounted on the top/outside of the growroom
#5) pic of the new intake fan that I'm about to make a light trap for right now
#6-7) pics of the first little survivior to pull through after I accidently buried my little babies alive at the start of everything.

My grow is in a small bedroom and even venting the hot air from the light directly outside wasnt enough. Temps would still climb into the 90s.... the only way I was able to get the temps down was to put in a cheap window ac unit and have the cold air sucked in and vented through the light enclosure and out the window. Now my temps on a hot 90 degree day never go above 78... but usually stay around 74-76

I have also read about watercooling lights but would require probably a lot of money, Ive seen a youtube video of a guy running 8 600w HPS bulbs and the exhaust air was 58 degrees! haha
http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/products/ice_flow/ice_flow_product_information.php

Good luck with the seedlings! I'll be keeping an eye out

bigslama912 said:

My grow is in a small bedroom and even venting the hot air from the light directly outside wasnt enough. Temps would still climb into the 90s.... the only way I was able to get the temps down was to put in a cheap window ac unit and have the cold air sucked in and vented through the light enclosure and out the window. Now my temps on a hot 90 degree day never go above 78... but usually stay around 74-76

I have also read about watercooling lights but would require probably a lot of money, Ive seen a youtube video of a guy running 8 600w HPS bulbs and the exhaust air was 58 degrees! haha
http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/products/ice_flow/ice_flow_product_information.php

Good luck with the seedlings! I'll be keeping an eye out

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my temps seem to be ok right now(80-85 lights on) but just in case could you post a link of AC unit similar to the one you use.


Update on the seedlings.
I now have 4 seedlings that broke through the surface however one is laying on the soil and I don't think that the poor little thing is gonna make it. Just planted 2 of the the backup seeds about 30 min. ago in 2 of the pots that have been inactive for about a week now, this time I planted in Fox Farm Ocean Forest instead of the Seedstarter mix and only about a 1/4" under the surface so lets see what happends.

I"m glad most are recovering. Good luck with the new ones - make sure that top 1/4" of soil doesn't dry up to quickly. I often cover the top of my pots in plastic wrap until the seeds has breaches the surface of the soil.

blueberrylabs said:

my temps seem to be ok right now(80-85 lights on) but just in case could you post a link of AC unit similar to the one you use.

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good to hear you have the temps under control, they really suck dealing with!

i use just a simple 5,000 btu Haier window AC unit like this one
http://www.amazon.com/Haier-5000-Window-Conditioner-HWF05XCK/dp/B0037UPER4/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1320372412&sr=8-9

small and it does the trick!

good to see the seedlings are going well, just think... harvest will be right around the corner!