80's Bag seed strange pheno- ID ideas anybody?

I only posted to the Advanced section with this one because I'm assuming some of the more experienced growers may be hanging here.
I've been begging old friends over the last year to go through their old smoking gear to see if they could find some seeds from days gone by. Finally, a good friend came through with the mother load of seeds from a quarter pound of weed his parents took from him when he was a kid. His father kept the shit for 30 years locked away. When he passed away, my friend found it while cleaning out the house. He gave me well over a hundred seeds from this one bag. I've been periodically sprouting these guys and putting the plants into flower to try to find strong growers. I found this beautiful lady after about 10 tries. I've seen plants with strange coloring on bud sites before but nothing like this one. At first, I thought I had a nutrient deficiency but I quickly ruled that out based on the overall health and vigor of the plant. I soon realized this is just a phenol anomaly.
I'm pretty excited about finding this little girl and hope I can keep her healthy through the duration. This is the second week of flower, she's taking off nicely. It appears to be leaning indica with the short, bulky leaf structure, short inter-nodal lengths but obviously, I have no clue what I'm looking at here.
I would be more than grateful if somebody could chime and say they've seen something like this one to help me get closer to giving it an origin. I've named the plant Shultz because that's the nickname of the guy who gave me the seeds. He's named after the character 'Shultz' from the old TV show Hogan's Heroes. Some of you may remember this show, some may not.
Also, I'm considering trying to take a clone but I'm two weeks into flower. I've never cloned anything this far into flower. Is it worth a shot or am I better off leaving it alone?

beautiful plant my feiend i love the contrast of the lime grewn against that almist bluish darker outer green . i have no clue as to what strain that may be but i can say that 2 weeks into flower is nothing ive successfully taken cuttings off of a plant that had been flowering for 10 weeks so im sure shell be fine (i also take clones at 2-4 weeks as a regular practice so ur good)
best of luck and take care

bf80255 said:

beautiful plant my feiend i love the contrast of the lime grewn against that almist bluish darker outer green . i have no clue as to what strain that may be but i can say that 2 weeks into flower is nothing ive successfully taken cuttings off of a plant that had been flowering for 10 weeks so im sure shell be fine (i also take clones at 2-4 weeks as a regular practice so ur good)
best of luck and take care

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Thanks partner. I'm not one for taking clones so this will be kinda new to me. I think I'll go ahead and snip one just because all the other plants I've grown from this batch of seeds have not impressed me.

Rocketman64 said:

Thanks partner. I'm not one for taking clones so this will be kinda new to me. I think I'll go ahead and snip one just because all the other plants I've grown from this batch of seeds have not impressed me.

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if youre not one for cloning, this should be fun. I`m no pro, so just being playful, not dickish. It will take 2-4 weeks for a flowering clone to revert to veg and grow some roots. So id definitely recommend taking more than one clone (tons of youtube videos out there) lollipopping your plant may help you get more clones, you are in the first 21 days of flower, so take clones or lollipop after the stretch has just finished. If you take clones during the stretch or too late, youll retard the growth of the plant. i have had success the only time i tried rooting a flowering plant, and yes it was from the lower half of the plant.


from my experience, it looks as though you have the same deficiency i have had, red fan leaf stems, and red / purple streaks on stalk, this will eventually make it super difficult to root at some point if you keep cloning. Only answer I have found out there, besides the "oh its normal, just part of the pheno" is using a foiler spray of chilated nitrogen, chelated iron and epsom salts. I honestly can not tell you if it works, i havent tried it myself yet. Id really like to find a solution myself so if anyone chimes in.

Good Luck ! hope this helps in at least some small way.
keep it good

or i just found this, which is probably my major issue. lack of perlite or vermiculite in my soil.

"So you have Noticed some of The Top of your Stems to your fan leaves have Got a purple/red spotted tinge to them? Some of them possibly top half purple/red & bottom half green stem?

I have had this & still sometimes get it, Thinking its a nutrient deficiency you start from the beginning checking ph & ppm & soil etc, Bumping up the N-P-K Although you were sure your soil was perfect.

Well iv come to a conclusion & a good answer proven from personal experience, Is your Soil Air-Rated enough? Aka Perlite & Vermiculite?

When the roots have a hard time breathing, The stems tend to let you know via showing signs of Suffocation (Purple/Red Stems)

Adding up to 40% Perlite if needed can be necessary, you do not want compact soil, Let your roots breathe & i guarantee your colouring of stems will never show again!

Dont Believe in that "Low Temp" Bullshit, this only works if the temp is Fridge/Freezer cold or lower, Or sudden temp drop example: Putting plant from 30°c straight into freezer for hours.


Some strains WILL turn Purple or Red on leaf stems or even entire plant stems but this takes effect on the whole stem colour not just the top half"

Hey mate,

Firstly, next time would you mind resizing the pics a little, they are huge file size!

I have been growing my fathers collected bag seed for a while - stuff from the 70s onward, who knows what though. I had a plant last summer that looked just like yours mid way through veg (outdoors). It eventually righted itself and the plant was fine (though not a heavy cropper, but was due to my influence). Looks to me like a sulfur deficiency perhaps - I didn't seek to fix mine at the time though. I had given it some epsom salts, which does have sulfur in it, not long after so that probably helped.

It looks like heat bleaching Lol but if it's out side. It would have to be in direct light the whole day. I am worried about how dark green the other part of the plant is. It does look like some sort of deficiencies . I would hit her with a micro nute solution and back off on the n with them leaves being so green it could be a toxicity ATM they should have plenty of n for the rest of the grow!

i was just going to say the same as maine.. the only thing i can think off is the soil its in ph could be really off locking out shit.. causing issues like this.. iuno.. ive seen light top growth turn green . but never anything this light.

Hey guys I have 2 bagseed seedling and 1 of them also has that bleaching going on ..my first time seeing it and its my first time growing bag seed ..hope its not some sort of hermie trait ..

Okay, all you guys are right on the button. I've never seen this before in any of my plants so I assumed it was a strange phenol. In reality, it had a nutrient deficiency problem of some sort. I've been using this soil mix for years but for some reason, this year it's lacking something. I dumped a couple gallons of fresh rain water on her and started some light feedings with Jack's Classic 20-20-20. That straightened her right out. It took two days but all the bleaching went away and the color of the leaves improved tremendously. Thanks for all the help from everyone and yes, I will shrink my images. I didn't realize I was posting them that huge. Sorry!!