A little history on a liberal icon; FDR

ViRedd

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Declaration of Dependence[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]By George Will [/FONT]



[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Judaism: The Jewish site |[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Some mornings during the autumn of 1933, when the unemployment rate was 22 percent, the president, before getting into his wheelchair, sat in bed, surrounded by economic advisers, setting the price of gold. One morning he said he might raise it 21 cents: "It's a lucky number because it's three times seven." His Treasury secretary wrote that if people knew how gold was priced "they would be frightened."

The Depression's persistence, partly a result of such policy flippancy, was frightening. In 1937, during the depression within the Depression, there occurred the steepest drop in industrial production ever recorded. By January 1938 the unemployment rate was back up to 17.4 percent. The war, not the New Deal, defeated the Depression. Franklin Roosevelt's success was in altering the practice of American politics.

This transformation was actually assisted by the misguided policies — including government-created uncertainties that paralyzed investors — that prolonged the Depression. This seemed to validate the notion that the crisis was permanent, so government must be forever hyperactive.

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In his second inaugural address, Roosevelt sought "unimagined power" to enforce the "proper subordination" of private power to public power. He got it, and the fact that the federal government he created now seems utterly unexceptional suggests a need for what Amity Shlaes does in a new book. She takes thorough exception to the government he created.

Republicans had long practiced limited interest-group politics on behalf of business with tariffs, gifts of land to railroads and other corporate welfare. Roosevelt, however, made interest-group politics systematic and routine. New Deal policies were calculated to create many constituencies — labor, retirees, farmers, union members — to be dependent on government.

Before the 1930s, the adjective "liberal" denoted policies of individualism and individual rights; since Roosevelt, it has primarily pertained to the politics of group interests. So writes Shlaes, a columnist for Bloomberg News, in "The Forgotten Man: A New History of the Great Depression" She says Roosevelt's wager was that, by furiously using legislation and regulations to multiply federally favored groups, and by rhetorically pitting those favored by government against the unfavored, he could create a permanent majority coalition.

In the process, says Shlaes, Roosevelt refined his definition of the "forgotten man." This man had been thought of as a general personality, compatible with the assumption that Americans were all in it together. "Now, by defining his forgotten man as the specific groups he would help, the president was in effect forgetting the rest — creating a new forgotten man. The country was splitting into those who were Roosevelt's favorites and everyone else."

Acting with what Shlaes calls "the restlessness of the invalid," Roosevelt implemented the theory that (in her words) "spending promoted growth, if government was big enough to spend enough." In only 12 months, just one Roosevelt improvisation, the National Recovery Administration, "generated more paper than the entire legislative output of the federal government since 1789."

Before Roosevelt, the federal government was unimpressive relative to the private sector. Under Calvin Coolidge, the last pre-Depression president, its revenue averaged 4 percent of gross domestic product, compared with 18.6 percent today. In 1910, Congress legislated height limits for Washington buildings, limits that prevented skyscrapers, symbols of mighty business, from overshadowing the Capitol, the symbol of government.

In 1936, for the first time in peacetime history, federal spending exceeded that of the states and localities combined. Roosevelt said that modern "civilization" has tended "to make life insecure." Hence Social Security, which had the added purpose of encouraging workers to retire, thereby opening jobs to younger people. Notice the assumptions of permanent scarcity, and that the government has a duty to distribute scarce things, such as work.
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In 1938, when the New Deal's failure to spark recovery made Roosevelt increasingly frantic, he attempted to enlarge the Supreme Court so he could pack it with compliant justices. He said Americans had the right to "insist that every agency of popular government" respond to "their will." He included the court among "popular," meaning political and representative, institutions.

Roosevelt's overreaching called forth an opponent whom Shlaes rescues from obscurity. Wendell Willkie, who would be Roosevelt's opponent in a 1940 election overshadowed by war, called on Roosevelt to "give up this vested interest you have in depression" as the justification for a "philosophy of distributed scarcity."
War, as has been said — and as George W. Bush's assertion of vast presidential powers attests — is the health of the state. But as Roosevelt demonstrated and Shlaes reminds us, compassion, understood as making the "insecure" securely dependent, also makes the state flourish.
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Dankdude

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If it weren't for FDR we would all be speaking German or Japaneese now. You really need to do something about your lefty hatred Vi, We are Americans first, liberal second.
 

Token

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no not really Dank they lost the war both sides in the end to lack of money not FDR great New Deal nor the a-bomb.
 

Token

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I don't like FDR because he made pot illegal and he made so againce that the people lost control of the government.
 

Dankdude

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It was only because of racist pressure from southern states... Read The Emperor Wears No Clothes by Jack Harer.
Nite I'm going to bed.
 

Token

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I will read it, But grass also goes over that and hooked illegal drugs and how they got that way, but he singed it nowing that it went aginst american values.
 

suicidesamurai

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If it weren't for FDR we would all be speaking German or Japaneese now. You really need to do something about your lefty hatred Vi, We are Americans first, liberal second.
Germany didn't even want to fight Great Britain and France, more or less the US.
 

Resinman

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Vi

It was the republicans and herbert hoover who drafted and passed the Revenue act of 1932.

It was the largets tax and tax increase in USAs history. raised income tax on the higest incomes from 25% to 63%

Hoover spent like crazy and taxed the people to death,,,the republicans fail to ever mention this.

The wallstreet bankers recieved alot of oversight from the bamnking and investment scandals of the 20s and early thirtys till roosevelt could come in and try and repair the downward spiral that hoover and the republicans created

it was hoover and the banking cartel that lead the country down the path of socialism".

you might want to do a full historical check on the hoover administration

roosevelt had his faults but the books is ,,,i have to say

NOT VERY ACCURATE


resinman
 

Resinman

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Massive increases in deficit spending, new banking regulation, and boosting farm prices did start turning the U.S. economy around in 1933, but it was a slow and painful process. The U.S. had not returned to 1929's GNP for over a decade and still had an unemployment rate of about 15% in 1940—down from 25% in 1932. The unemployment problem was not "solved" until the advent of World War II, when about 12 million men were drafted and taken out of the labor market. Multiple war good production programs reduced unemployment to under 2% and brought in millions of new workers to the labor markets.
 

Resinman

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rossevelt came into the republican tax and spend tornado

he inherited the mess,,,,after he left office the country was back on track,,,

Whenever a republican gets in office they screw things all up

resinman
 

medicineman

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rossevelt came into the republican tax and spend tornado

he inherited the mess,,,,after he left office the country was back on track,,,

Whenever a republican gets in office they screw things all up

resinman
Thanks for clearing that up, I didn't feel like arguing with him as he is so closed minded.
 

Token

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but the books is ,,,i have to say

NOT VERY ACCURATE
Couldn't have that better myself, the masis like to use one souce of info witch is normal from closed minded people.
 

Resinman

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here is what hoover said in 1928,,,

the prior eight years were controlled by his republican pals

"We are now speeding down the road of wasteful spending and debt, and unless we can escape we will be smashed in inflation."[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]the idea at the time was to let the corporations and banks run the country the republican follies crashed and burned[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]we are paying for it today[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]look at franklin delano BUSH roosevelt Vi redd[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]hehehehe[/FONT]
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medicineman

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so, any leftist is a great president, any non-leftist is a terrible president.

good thing you guys don't form your opinions on silly stuff like facts, history, reality, etc... that must feel so good!

FDR: inventor of welfare/warfare state. inventor of corporate subsidies. what a great guy.



FDR Prolonged -- Not Ended -- Great Depression... 8/10/2004




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"Rhetoric is as rhetoric does." P.J. McCloonick. In other words, you can always find words to back your position, But that position might not be correct. I think this applies to you.
 

Token

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But Wilson was the one that made up the banking system 1914, i don't think it was made into an act by him but do know for a fact that her wrote up most banking documents in 1914.
 
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