About To Start Flowering My Babies

mary jane

mary jane

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i have 1 k2 plant that is well "trained" and 2 nirvana plants under a 600w. (with more clones to come)
any tips for maximising my yield (foods , methods etc etc) increasing buddage would be gladly taken and used. thanks.
 
Garden Knowm

Garden Knowm

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hey mary jabe...

can you post a picture..

the 2 most important elements are

NUTRIENTS AND LIGHT..

YOUR plants need PERFECT pH medium/water in order to absorb nutrients...

Lighting should be as close to your plant as possible without burning your plant... a 600watt hps bulb that is ventilated correctly, with additional fan support blowing on garden can be kept 6-12 inches from the tops f your plants... This will produce close nodal growth during vegging and during flowering it will produce baseball bat size girth from the colas...



My impressions of the plant in your AV are that it is LANKY and stretched.. probably from poor lighting.. there is also a nutrient problem.. Yuu see how the top leaves (fan leaves) are not as big as the previous setSSSSSS of fan leaves..

this is not a good sign.. probably a pH/nutrient issue... the NEW growth should always be the most VIGOROUS and IMPRESSIVE growth..

You can cut that plant in half and take 4-12 clones and then transplant it into a larger container, pH your water, and let it veg for another 7 days..... and then flower.... ypou will probably get the same yield if not more and you will also have 4-12 clones!

iloveyou
 
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Grnthmb

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Garden Knowm said:
hey mary jabe...

can you post a picture..

the 2 most important elements are

NUTRIENTS AND LIGHT..

YOUR plants need PERFECT pH medium/water in order to absorb nutrients...

Lighting should be as close to your plant as possible without burning your plant... a 600watt hps bulb that is ventilated correctly, with additional fan support blowing on garden can be kept 6-12 inches from the tops f your plants... This will produce close nodal growth during vegging and during flowering it will produce baseball bat size girth from the colas...



My impressions of the plant in your AV are that it is LANKY and stretched.. probably from poor lighting.. there is also a nutrient problem.. Yuu see how the top leaves (fan leaves) are not as big as the previous setSSSSSS of fan leaves..

this is not a good sign.. probably a pH/nutrient issue... the NEW growth should always be the most VIGOROUS and IMPRESSIVE growth..

You can cut that plant in half and take 4-12 clones and then transplant it into a larger container, pH your water, and let it veg for another 7 days..... and then flower.... ypou will probably get the same yield if not more and you will also have 4-12 clones!

iloveyou
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So your saying tight node growth will make for huge colas and bigger a yeild? If so will you take a look at these pictures of my plant and let me know what you think of the node spacing. I cut most of the fan leafs of two weeks ago to help generate growth on the lower parts of the branches and it seems to be working.
 

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potroast

potroast

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My best tip for maximizing yield is don't cut the leaves off. You've slowed the growth of the plant by doing that, and yield will be less.

HTH :mrgreen:
 
babygro

babygro

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Garden Knowm said:
Lighting should be as close to your plant as possible without burning your plant... a 600watt hps bulb that is ventilated correctly, with additional fan support blowing on garden can be kept 6-12 inches from the tops f your plants...
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Knowm, I don't agree with you here I'm afraid. A 600w HPS should not be used any closer to the plants tops than about 18-24 inches, let alone 6 - heaven forbid! You don't seem to understand that the heat generated from High Pressure Sodium bulbs comes in two forms - inductive heat wihch can be cleared via ventilation and infra-red heat which is radiated heat and cannot be cleared via ventilation - that's why the bulb needs to be used as a safe distance away.

Garden Knowm said:
This will produce close nodal growth during vegging and during flowering
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No it won't. The IR heat generated from the HPS will cause the plants to stretch - heat causes stretching just as much as not enough light, and you can't honestly tell me that a 600w HPS used from 18-24 inches is going to cause insufficient light stretching?

If you want tight internodal spacing - don't bother vegging with HPS at all - you need a predominant blue light for vegetative growth - not a predominantly red light.

When the plants veg in nature, do they do it in the autumn or during summer? What sunlight spectrum predominates during summer - blue or red?
 
videoman40

videoman40

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Baby, that is so wrong, thats is why you want to cool the light, to be able to get it closer. Call the heat whatever you want, that dosen't change the temperature. If you do cool the light, you move it closer. Not too close to burn it though. 18 to 24 inches is way too far. a 1000 watt light can get 14" away safely with adequate cooling.
Peace

babygro said:
Knowm, I don't agree with you here I'm afraid. A 600w HPS should not be used any closer to the plants tops than about 18-24 inches, let alone 6 - heaven forbid! You don't seem to understand that the heat generated from High Pressure Sodium bulbs comes in two forms - inductive heat wihch can be cleared via ventilation and infra-red heat which is radiated heat and cannot be cleared via ventilation - that's why the bulb needs to be used as a safe distance away.



No it won't. The IR heat generated from the HPS will cause the plants to stretch - heat causes stretching just as much as not enough light, and you can't honestly tell me that a 600w HPS used from 18-24 inches is going to cause insufficient light stretching?

If you want tight internodal spacing - don't bother vegging with HPS at all - you need a predominant blue light for vegetative growth - not a predominantly red light.

When the plants veg in nature, do they do it in the autumn or during summer? What sunlight spectrum predominates during summer - blue or red?
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babygro

babygro

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videoman40 said:
Baby, that is so wrong, thats is why you want to cool the light, to be able to get it closer. Call the heat whatever you want, that dosen't change the temperature. If you do cool the light, you move it closer. Not too close to burn it though. 18 to 24 inches is way too far. a 1000 watt light can get 14" away safely with adequate cooling.
Peace
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It's not wrong.

You clearly don't understand the difference between inductive heat and radiated heat.

I suppose you're also the kind of person who thinks you won't get sunburned on the beach because there's a cool wind blowing on you - yes, that UVB is radiated - which is why you get burned. Infra-red heat works in exactly the same way.

Now off you go to google and educate yourself before saying something I've written is wrong.
 
babygro

babygro

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Grnthmb said:
Why will it hurt my yeild ? Because of how it slowed the growth down for a little?
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Because the fan leaves are the plants main source of light energy - if you remove it's ability to process light via photosynthesis you slow down it's growth and the yield will suffer as a result.

Don't remove fan leaves.
 
videoman40

videoman40

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Gee baby, that is such a nice analogy, on the beach and all, but my plants have never needed sunscreen either.
18 to 24 inches away for a 600 watt hps light is just plain wrong. There is no need for that distance. You don't believe me, ask other people here who use the 600 how far away there light is.
Peace

babygro said:
It's not wrong.

You clearly don't understand the difference between inductive heat and radiated heat.

I suppose you're also the kind of person who thinks you won't get sunburned on the beach because there's a cool wind blowing on you - yes, that UVB is radiated - which is why you get burned. Infra-red heat works in exactly the same way.

Now off you go to google and educate yourself before saying something I've written is wrong.
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babygro

babygro

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videoman40 said:
[Gee baby, that is such a nice analogy, on the beach and all, but my plants have never needed sunscreen either. 18 to 24 inches away for a 600 watt hps light is just plain wrong. There is no need for that distance. You don't believe me, ask other people here who use the 600 how far away there light is.
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I see, so you can't refute what I've said, so you stamp your foot harder and simply repeat yourself. Always so dogmatic eg V-man?

Ask other people? Why should I ask what other people do? If they want to flood their top colas with loads of infra-red radiated heat which causes the buds to dry out far quicker than they should do, that's up to them. Doesn't make it a particularly sensible thing to do though does it?

PS I'm glad you understood my simplified UV radiation analogy.
 
drochoker

drochoker

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All grow enviroments are different depending on the person and whatnot. In a large room with proper air-movement you could possibly put the light 6-12 inches from the top of the plant.

Then again, you could have the same exact light in a much smaller room with good air-movement, and have to raise them...but like i said, its different for many
 
videoman40

videoman40

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I did very specifically refute what you said, no beating around the bush at all, and no stomping of my feet either, but that was a nice attempt at trying to paint a (false)picture.
Perhaps if you tried a hps light, you'd realize that nobody with a 600 watt light is going to place it 18 to 24 inches away. Wasn't it you complaining about giving out mis-information? This might be as good a time as any to start helping out.
Peace

babygro said:
I see, so you can't refute what I've said, so you stamp your foot harder and simply repeat yourself. Always so dogmatic eg V-man?

Ask other people? Why should I ask what other people do? If they want to flood their top colas with loads of infra-red radiated heat which causes the buds to dry out far quicker than they should do, that's up to them. Doesn't make it a particularly sensible thing to do though does it?

PS I'm glad you understood my simplified UV radiation analogy.
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babygro

babygro

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videoman40 said:
I did very specifically refute what you said, no beating around the bush at all, and no stomping of my feet either, but that was a nice attempt at trying to paint a (false)picture.
Perhaps if you tried a hps light, you'd realize that nobody with a 600 watt light is going to place it 18 to 24 inches away. Wasn't it you complaining about giving out mis-information? This might be as good a time as any to start helping out.
Peace
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I'm the one giving out misinformation when you don't seem to understand the difference between radiated and inducted heat?

Have you any idea whatsoever how much IR HPS's output? If you did you wouldn't be using them 6 inches off the plants tops I can assure you, and no amount of ventilation or oscillating fan or cool tubes or air cooled hoods will stop that IR radiation - it's radiated for gods sake not inducted heat !
 
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