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BigNBushy

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The aca is nothing more than a plan to help the (not old enough for Medicare) older people by forcing young and healthy people to buy insurance. For a young healthy person a plan costs at least $200, most are around $300 or more.

This is significantly higher than any private policy I have had through my past employers. They were usually under $100 to me because they paid part, none ever paid more than half.

Obamacare is nothing more than a plan to help older people using younger people's money.

They really old crowd hates it because they think it is government healthcare. They don't want anything to interfere with their monopoly of government subsidized health spending.
 
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Beagler

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BigNBushy said:
The aca is nothing more than a plan to help the (not old enough for Medicare) older people by forcing young and healthy people to buy insurance. For a young healthy person a plan costs at least $200, most are around $300 or more.

This is significantly higher than any private policy I have had through my past employers. They were usually under $100 to me because they paid part, none ever paid more than half.

Obamacare is nothing more than a plan to help older people using younger people's money.

They really old crowd hates it because they think it is government healthcare. They don't want anything to interfere with their monopoly of government subsidized health spending.
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If not enough young people sign up, things go into a downward spiral.
The insurance companies don't fear this because the govt. will bail them out.

Are enough young people signing up?
The govt. has no answers on demographics of sign ups, just overall figures.
 
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BigNBushy

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Beagler said:
If not enough young people sign up, things go into a downward spiral.
The insurance companies don't fear this because the govt. will bail them out.

Are enough young people signing up?
The govt. has no answers on demographics of sign ups, just overall figures.
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Personally, I think this is a plan that the know might fuck up the insurance industry. With no insurance industry, the government as to step in, single payer here we come.

I'm not opposed to single payer. I've spent parts of my life with no money, and I know the horrible feeling of thinking you might need medical help, but have no way to get it.

Plus I would love to see my sister in law have to become a government employe. Since she became a surgeon, her ego has known no limits.
 
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ChesusRice

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BigNBushy said:
Personally, I think this is a plan that the know might fuck up the insurance industry. With no insurance industry, the government as to step in, single payer here we come.

I'm not opposed to single payer. I've spent parts of my life with no money, and I know the horrible feeling of thinking you might need medical help, but have no way to get it.

Plus I would love to see my sister in law have to become a government employe. Since she became a surgeon, her ego has known no limits.
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Name one country other than Cuba with Unversal single payer that doesnt also have a private health insurance industry. Just one.
 
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Beagler

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BigNBushy said:
Personally, I think this is a plan that the know might fuck up the insurance industry. With no insurance industry, the government as to step in, single payer here we come.

I'm not opposed to single payer. I've spent parts of my life with no money, and I know the horrible feeling of thinking you might need medical help, but have no way to get it.

Plus I would love to see my sister in law have to become a government employe. Since she became a surgeon, her ego has known no limits.
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Some opponents of the ACA think it was designed to fail.
Certainly the politicians that voted it in didn't know what it contained in regards to details, Nancy Pelosi said so herself.

Insurance companies make a great scapegoat for blame.
The ACA was touted as decreasing premiums and copays. That only occurs for folks who get a subsidy, at least for the most part.

I think the bigger issues not adressed are medical costs rising faster than other sectors of the economy, and people living longer than did previously in recent history
 
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BigNBushy

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ChesusRice said:
Name one country other than Cuba with Unversal single payer that doesnt also have a private health insurance industry. Just one.
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And what relevance does this have?

Private insurance will never be outlawed in this country, that would be unconstitutional.

This does not also mean that the federal government can't implement policy to make purchasing health insurance redundant. If the young don't sign up, health insurance companies can't afford Obamacare. People will be left with no insurance. The people will beg the government to do something.
 
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Beagler

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Talked with a married couple who rents from me.

She is employed as a waitress at the local red lobster and her husband makes money under the table.

Both were previously covered under her employers insurance.

Now he is covered under medicare and she is in the aca paying more than she used to.
 
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ChesusRice

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Beagler said:
Some opponents of the ACA think it was designed to fail.
Certainly the politicians that voted it in didn't know what it contained in regards to details, Nancy Pelosi said so herself.

Insurance companies make a great scapegoat for blame.
The ACA was touted as decreasing premiums and copays. That only occurs for folks who get a subsidy, at least for the most part.

I think the bigger issues not adressed are medical costs rising faster than other sectors of the economy, and people living longer than did previously in recent history
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And yet Medical costs have increased at the slowest rates than they have in years.

So does the ACA get the blame for that as well?
 
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Beagler

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Jerry rents from me and is a single nerdy guy in his late 30s.
His pay is/was garnished by the local hospital for ER visits.

He has refused to accept employer insurance in the past. I worked a stint in the chair factory with him and that is how I got to know him back in '08. He thought health care would be free. He has no plans to sign up, already did his turbo tax and paid up his back rent.
 
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Beagler

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Tom is another renter. Batshit crazy and getting ssi for mental issues as long as I've owned that building.

I admire him for riding around on his moped and collecting cans.

He is pushing 60 and smokes cigs non stop. Everything remains the same with him for health coverage
 
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schuylaar

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Beagler said:
Jerry rents from me and is a single nerdy guy in his late 30s.
His pay is/was garnished by the local hospital for ER visits.

He has refused to accept employer insurance in the past. I worked a stint in the chair factory with him and that is how I got to know him back in '08. He thought health care would be free. He has no plans to sign up, already did his turbo tax and paid up his back rent.
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the only way he could have done that would have been to lie. when your employer offers health and you refuse..you must be covered by someone else's policy and sign a statement that says same..he obviously got caught.
 
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Beagler

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Paula also rents from me. She is a single woman in her mid 50s.
She works three part time jobs, all waitressing, and is very interested about the aca and may drop 1 to fit into a lower income slot and have some more time with her grandkids whom she often watches over.
Good for her as she often works 60-70 hours in the summer.
 
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schuylaar

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Beagler said:
Talked with a married couple who rents from me.

She is employed as a waitress at the local red lobster and her husband makes money under the table.

Both were previously covered under her employers insurance.

Now he is covered under medicare and she is in the aca paying more than she used to.
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yeah, that's fishy..you're saying she received family coverage working at red lobster and now she's signed up for single coverage on ACA..PAYING MORE? she must make a lot of money at red lobster because you can get subsidies all the way up to $45k.
 
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schuylaar

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Beagler said:
Paula also rents from me. She is a single woman in her mid 50s.
She works three part time jobs, all waitressing, and is very interested about the aca and may drop 1 to fit into a lower income slot and have some more time with her grandkids whom she often watches over.
Good for her as she often works 60-70 hours in the summer.
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agreed..no one should have to work more than a 40 hour work week to provide for themselves..we are the only country that promotes 2-3 jobs for survival.
 
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Beagler

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schuylaar said:
the only way he could have done that would have been to lie. when your employer offers health and you refuse..you must be covered by someone else's policy and sign a statement that says same..he obviously got caught.
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Not sure on the details.
He still has none.
No one is covering his ass, except me in not booting him for lack of rent when he gets behind.
He used to pay via paypal and that was great. He lost his priveldges and now I make sure to give him a ride home on thursdays/payday.
 
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Beagler

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schuylaar said:
agreed..no one should have to work more than a 40 hour work week to provide for themselves..we are the only country that promotes 2-3 jobs for survival.
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She was smart this summer and paid ahead on rent.
Restaurant business sucks around here in winter, except for ski resorts.
 
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schuylaar

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Beagler said:
Not sure on the details.
He still has none.
No one is covering his ass, except me in not booting him for lack of rent when he gets behind.
He used to pay via paypal and that was great. He lost his priveldges and now I make sure to give him a ride home on thursdays/payday.
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i am because i know how it works:wink:
 
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Beagler

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schuylaar said:
yeah, that's fishy..you're saying she received family coverage working at red lobster and now she's signed up for single coverage on ACA..PAYING MORE? she must make a lot of money at red lobster because you can get subsidies all the way up to $45k.
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She is not at 45k that I can envision.

I don't understand why her hubby is on medicare and she isn't.

Maybe a web site glitch? .... full stops.... question mark ?
 
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Beagler

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Izola is an elery woman getting ssi.

Healthy as a goat and didn't want the downstairs place when it became open.

Gotta love her thick accent. I'm hard of hearing and she is difficult to understand. We laugh alot together when talking to each other.

She has no worries or concerns about the aca, just her cats.
 
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