Adopted Jack Herer Autoflowers

Do you think these Jack autos will still produce a decent harvest given their circumstance

  • Yes

  • No

  • It will be stunted quite a bit

  • Popcorn nugs and Larf


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Im currently trying to flower two Jack Herer autos from Cropking seeds. These plants are actually really interesting because I didn't start them I adopted them roughly 3 weeks ago when the original grower realized they were not in the best environment and if he wanted anything out of them he would need to commit more than he was willing.

The plants were in a very dry environment under very low powered lights so they grew very tall and leggy but they grew extremely slowly as well. I had plants 2 weeks old that were growing much faster and bigger than the 7-8 week old plants that I adopted.

After moving the plants they pretty much died. I believe because the original grower was feeding them nutrients in the dry environment the plant was not able to uptake the nutrients fast enough before they dried up in the soil and after moving them into an environmentally controlled grow tent with decent lights they tried to uptake too much nutrients and both of them showed different signs of nutrient burn. Both of these plants were showing completely different phenotypes at the time with one showing very Sativa Dominant leaf shape and plant structure and the other showing very Indica dominant leaf shape and plant structure.

The Indica dominant Jack looked like it was never going to make it all of its leaves were burnt and the outsides were yellow and crispy. There were almost no green leaves and it looked dead standing.

The Sativa dominant Jack looked like it was suffering from serious nitrogen toxicity the leaves were verry dark green and the tips were curled up and crispy only a few of the leaves had yellow around the edges but the insides were still a dark green. I had better hopes for this one but it was the older of the two plants and was severely under developed for the age.

This all happened during the same night that I moved the plants. Within probably 6-8 hours the plants were almost dead.

I checked the plant after being in the tent for roughly 4 hours and immediately took them both out and flushed them with filtered water until it was almost clear coming out the bottom. I was running a 24 hour light cycle in the tent at the time so I checked them again in the morning and they looked severely over watered but still looked alive so I just decided to leave them alone. I didnt trim or cut anything off of the plant at this point and just left it alone for a while to see if they were alive or not.

Surprisingly enough they started to come back alive after a few days and after a week I decided to do a heavy defoliation of all of the burned leaves and tips.

This helped tremendously and I think the experienced messed up the Autoflower growth timeline because the plants are roughly 4 months old and have just started showing pistils.

The Indica dominant strain came back very strong and grew in size and stature very quickly to become one of the biggest plants in the tent but the sativa jack kinda looks wimpy but has a good amount of tops.

I just recently switched them to flower nutrients but Ive kept them in the grow tent with the others currently at 18-6 because I want to see if they will retain their autoflower trait to disregard lighting schedules and trigger on the nutrient change alone.

After about a week it looks like it may be successful with both plants showing some stretch and sexing throughout the nodes.

The other plants in the tent are a variety as well but they are all collectively old enough to be going into full flower mode and 12-12 scheduling so it will be interesting to see how the compare to the other girls with a 2 week nutrient head start and an extra 2 and a half months of growth haha!


 
Update: Both of these autoflowering plants seemed to have reverted to being photosensitive. Although they did show their sex when I started giving them flower nutrients they just continued to vegged out with the other plants.

Just before I switched the whole tent to 11 day-13 night schedule I gave them roughly 30 hours of darkness to set my light schedule and when I finally turned the lights on all of the plants in the were fully switched to flower including these two auto jack herers.

The tent is just starting week 3 of flower and there is a huge difference between these two plants.

The Indica dominant pheno plant is very healthy and looks just like any one of the other plants in the tent in both size and development and I am very optimistic about the flower potential so far.

The Sativa dominant strain is the strangest looking pot plant ive seen with ~12 long arm like main stems but not pretty at all. The leaves all seem very small and the bud sites are developing but they dont look very large. Ive cut alot of lower growth to focus on the biggest arms but im beginning to wonder if shes worth the size in the tent.

With her being in full flower is it worth running her through the rest of the cycle? Do any of you chop weak flowering plants?
 

Logan Burke

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If you don't have anything to lose I guess you mine as well try to grow them out. But I would not be relying on them for bud and I also would not let them take the place of what could be a couple more plants in your tent if you're in need of medicine. If you're well stocked on medicine and don't mind them taking up the space in your tent, then you may as well grow'em out. Auto's don't respond well to stunting, particularly in their early life. Being stunted at that age for an auto, that severely, can really diminish your yields with an auto, so you may find that it's not worth the energy.
 
Im really wondering if chopping more of the arms off would at least give me a couple good buds rather than a bunch of larf everywhere. If shes week 3 in flower is it too late to chop more off to focus nutrients?
 

Logan Burke

Well-Known Member
Yes it is too late, auto's don't tolerate defoliation and pruning as well as photoperiod strains do. There is nothing you can really do at this point except for making sure the plants get everything that they need. May we get some pics please? It's difficult to give accurate advice without seeing them :)
 
I will take pictures very soon of the Sativa pheno weird lookin Jack.

But here is a picture of the main bud site on the Indica pheno Jack that came back strong!
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Here are a couple bigger pictures of the two plants im sure you guys will be able to see the difference easily

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These plants are roughly the same age the strange one is a bit older. They are supposed to be autoflowers but they were planted in December and didnt auto so they had waaay to long to veg but it paid off for the Indica plant.

Yes the pots are too small but I was expecting them to flower ages ago and wanted to see how they would do in the pot they were in since I did not have high hopes for them. Now it definitely seems too late to repot and the more indica dominant plant seems alright so I dont mind.
 
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Logan Burke

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You did do very well with these plants, so they were supposed to be autoflowers but they did not autoflower themselves?...I'm guessing you had to do 12/12 to make them bloom?
 

Budzbuddha

Well-Known Member
You can’t break the trait as it’s genetic ( ruderalis ) however “ auto “ seeds tend to play by their own rules sometimes. They look pretty damn good considering the story you told about their life.

Treat them as any other photo seed. Let the stretch finish BEFORE introducing bloom Nutes.
At least week 2 of actual flower.

They are diggin your light so that’s good. But you will also find not so great comments concerning
Crop King. I would just let them run without doing much to them . Typical auto would have been looking pretty wrecked just by the description of events. Autos will stunt , flower just as a survival move ( heavily stressed plant ) or pretty much look like shit as they don’t have time to recover.

Just let them do their thing .... gl.
 
Treat them as any other photo seed. Let the stretch finish BEFORE introducing bloom Nutes.
At least week 2 of actual flower.
The flower nutrient I gave them was Red Sun by Innovating plant products at a half dosage. I was hoping this would help trigger them into flowering, the veg nutrient levels weren't changed until week 2 of the whole tents flower cycle.

Ive never grown a variety of ages and strains, autos and photos mixed, outdoor and indoor strains all in one tent!

Luckily for me all of the plants of various ages and strains in the tent responded to the environmental change of lights/temp/RH to flower!

I am using half dosages of nutrients and watering them all to their own schedules so this means they all get to drink the same batch of weekly nutrient levels without me having to worry about burn as much. I give them straight RO Ph'ed water after every second nutrient feeding to rinse and they all love it haha I suspect most are not that lucky.
 
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Here Is the Indica dominant pheno almost 5 weeks of flower I am glad I left her to do her thing she looks and smells pretty good.

The darker slightly purple node on the right isnt hers tho just didnt have enough hands20190424_112044.jpg
 
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