Advanced Flushing Techniques

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
id like to see sci-fi facts,that show flushing dose not work..........................................
Its not that it doesnt work, its great for giving your plants deficiencies because you're not feeding it.

The point is that its unnecessary and stresses plants by denying them food when they need it the most. Its unnecessary because properly dried and cured buds dont "taste like chemicals"...its bad drying and curing leaving starches in the buds that give them a nasty flavour, not nutrients. Nutrients arnt stored in buds.

Thus flushing is pointless. Get it now?
 

stillfree

Active Member
i do agree dat it has to do with drying and curing(holy shit did i just agree to sumthing with yuh) but flushing as well helps. and a lil stress at the end wouldnt do much but add some resin to it. i never could really tell but have had a hand full of growers tell me that. i guess dats why some growers give it 24hrs of darkness b4 pulling
 

stillfree

Active Member
Its not that it doesnt work, its great for giving your plants deficiencies because you're not feeding it.

The point is that its unnecessary and stresses plants by denying them food when they need it the most. Its unnecessary because properly dried and cured buds dont "taste like chemicals"...its bad drying and curing leaving starches in the buds that give them a nasty flavour, not nutrients. Nutrients arnt stored in buds.

Thus flushing is pointless. Get it now?
oh and ps i believe he asked 4 sci-fi facts........
 

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
Lol this thread is pointless no one is going to agree, and there will still be name calling like your a idiot
Or a loser of such, one thing those that flush seem to be of a kinder nature. I flush and will always
Do it look at my grows nothing rong there :) and I cure/ dry the right way lol, simple fact is last grow
I had a couple hermie so I choped them without a flush the dried/cured the the way I do thing, the after
A flush took down the rest and cured it to! So by now the hermie weed been cureing twice as long as the
Other. So now to the smoke report hands down the hermie wasnt as clean and burned ok but not a smooth
As the flushed buds, things like the last 3 hits in a bowl being not so good, o and a buddy says ( Dude did
You flush this lol) point is like still said do what you do and il do what i do.
 

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
first of all yuh must b the idiot that dude is a mad grower AND teacher...who r yuh to doubts anothers....
No he's not a teacher, not one of original thought anyway. Jorge, a guy I used to converse with often and am a contributor to his latest Bible, does not post based on his own authorship. He plagarizes others. He collects their writings, and puts this collection in his books. He makes no apologies for it.

Learn what makes a plant ticket. (hint - it's green and has serrated 'fingers')
 

genuity

Well-Known Member
Its not that it doesnt work, its great for giving your plants deficiencies because you're not feeding it.

The point is that its unnecessary and stresses plants by denying them food when they need it the most. Its unnecessary because properly dried and cured buds dont "taste like chemicals"...its bad drying and curing leaving starches in the buds that give them a nasty flavour, not nutrients. Nutrients arnt stored in buds.

Thus flushing is pointless. Get it now?
still do not get it............still need some sci-fi facts!!!

i end all my grows with the last two weeks being water only,with no lack of leaves,no lack of color.
i think the word "FLUSHING",is whats getting people off set.
 

Illumination

New Member
id like to see sci-fi facts,that show flushing dose not work..........................................
sure no problem....Here you go:



From an administrator at Sensi Seeds

"Advanced - Flushing

A critical look at preharvest flushing

Pre harvest flushing is a controversial topic. Flushing is supposed to improve taste of the final bud by either giving only pure water, clearing solutions or extensive flushing for the last 7-14 days of flowering. While many growers claim a positive effect, others deny any positive influence or even suggest reduced yield and quality.

The theory of pre harvest flushing is to remove nutrients from the grow medium/root zone. A lack of nutrients creates a deficiency, forcing the plant to translocate and use up its internal nutrient compounds.

Nutrient fundamentals and uptake:

A good read about plant nutrition can be found here.

Until recently it was common thought that all nutrients are absorbed by plant roots as ions of mineral elements. However in newer studies more and more evidence emerged that additionally plant roots are capable of taking up complex organic molecules like amino acids directly thus bypassing the mineralization process.

The major nutrient uptake processes are:

1) Active transport mechanism into root hairs (the plant has to put energy in it, ATP driven) which is selective to some degree. This is one way the plant (being immobile) can adjust to the environment.

2) Passive transport (diffusion) through symplast to endodermis.

http://www.biol.sc.edu/courses/bio102/f99-3637.html

http://www.hort.wisc.edu/cran/Publications/2001 Proceedings/min_nutr.pdf

The claim only ‘chemical’ ferted plants need to be flushed should be taken with a grain of salt. Organic and synthetic ferted plants take up mineral ions alike, probably to a different degree though. Many influences play key roles in the taste and flavor of the final bud, like the nutrition balance and strength throughout the entire life cycle of the plant, the drying and curing process and other environmental conditions.

3) Active transport mechanism of organic molecules into root hairs via endocytosis.

http://acd.ucar.edu/~eholland/encyc6.html

Here is a simplified overview of nutrient functions:

Nitrogen is needed to build chlorophyll, amino acids, and proteins. Phosphorus is necessary for photosynthesis and other growth processes. Potassium is utilized to form sugar and starch and to activate enzymes. Magnesium also plays a role in activating enzymes and is part of chlorophyll. Calcium is used during cell growth and division and is part of the cell wall. Sulfur is part of amino acids and proteins.

Plants also require trace elements, which include boron, chlorine, copper, iron, manganese, sodium, zinc, molybdenum, nickel, cobalt, and silicon.

Copper, iron, and manganese are used in photosynthesis. Molybdenum, nickel, and cobalt are necessary for the movement of nitrogen in the plant. Boron is important for reproduction, while chlorine stimulates root growth and development. Sodium benefits the movement of water within the plant and zinc is neeeded for enzymes and used in auxins (organic plant hormones). Finally, silicon helps to build tough cell walls for better heat and drought tolerance.

http://www.sidwell.edu

You can get an idea from this how closely all the essential elements are involved in the many metabolic processes within the plant, often relying on each other.

Nutrient movement and mobility inside the plant:

Besides endocytosis, there are two major pathways inside the plant, the xylem and the phloem. When water and minerals are absorbed by plant roots, these substances must be transported up to the plant's stems and leaves for photosynthesis and further metabolic processes. This upward transport happens in the xylem. While the xylem is able to transport organic compounds, the phloem is much more adapted to do so.

The organic compounds thus originating in the leaves have to be moved throughout the plant, upwards and downwards, to where they are needed. This transport happens in the phloem. Compounds that are moving through the phloem are mostly:
Sugars as sugary saps, organic nitrogen compounds (amino acids and amides, ureides and legumes), hormones and proteins.

http://www.sirinet.net

Not all nutrient compounds are moveable within the plant.

1) N, P, K, Mg and S are considered mobile: they can move up and down the plant in both xylem and phloem.
Deficiency appears on old leaves first.

2) Ca, Fe, Zn, Mo, B, Cu, Mn are considered immobile: they only move up the plant in the xylem.
Deficiency appears on new leaves first.

http://generalhorticulture.tamu.edu

Storage organelles:

Salts and organic metabolites can be stored in storage organelles. The most important storage organelle is the vacuole, which can contribute up to 90% of the cell volume. The majority of compounds found in the vacuole are sugars, polysaccharides, organic acids and proteins though.

http://jeb.biologists.org.pdf

Translocation:

Now that the basics are explained, we can take a look at the translocation process. It should be already clear that only mobile elements can be translocated through the phloem. Immobile elements cant be translocated and are not more available to the plant for further metabolic processes and new plant growth.

Since flushing (in theory) induces a nutrient deficiency in the rootzone, the translocation process aids in the plants survival. Translocation is transportation of assimilates through the phloem from source (a net exporter of assimilate) to sink (a net importer of assimilate). Sources are mostly mature fan leaves and sinks are mostly apical meristems, lateral meristem, fruit, seed and developing leaves etc.

You can see this by the yellowing and later dying of the mature fan leaves from the second day on after flushing started. Developing leaves, bud leaves and calyxes don’t serve as sources, they are sinks. Changes in those plant parts are due to the deficient immobile elements which start to indicate on new growth first.

Unfortunately, several metabolic processes are unable to take place anymore since other elements needed are no longer available (the immobile ones). This includes processes where nitrogen and phosphorus, which have likely the most impact on taste, are involved.

For example nitrogen: usually plants use nitrogen to form plant proteins. Enzyme systems rapidly reduce nitrate-N (NO3-) to compounds that are used to build amino-nitrogen which is the basis for amino acids. Amino acids are building blocks for proteins, most of them are plant enzymes responsible for all the chemical changes important for plant growth.

Sulfur and calcium among others have major roles in production and activating of proteins, thereby decreasing nitrate within the plant. Excess nitrate within the plant may result from unbalanced nutrition rather than an excess of nitrogen.


Summary:

Preharvest flushing puts the plant(s) under serious stress. The plant has to deal with nutrient deficiencies in a very important part of its cycle. Strong changes in the amount of dissolved substances in the root-zone stress the roots, possibly to the point of direct physical damage to them. Many immobile elements are no more available for further metabolic processes. We are loosing the fan leaves and damage will show likely on new growth as well.

The grower should react in an educated way to the plant needs. Excessive, deficient or unbalanced levels should be avoided regardless the nutrient source. Nutrient levels should be gradually adjusted to the lesser needs in later flowering. Stress factors should be limited as far as possible. If that is accomplished throughout the entire life cycle, there shouldn’t be any excessive nutrient compounds in the plants tissue. It doesn’t sound likely to the author that you can correct growing errors (significant lower mobile nutrient compound levels) with preharvest flushing.

Drying and curing (when done right) on the other hand have proved (In many studies) to have a major impact on taste and flavour, by breaking down chlorophylls and converting starches into sugars. Most attributes blamed on unflushed buds may be the result of unbalanced nutrition and/or overfert and unproper drying/curing."
 

stillfree

Active Member
Lol this thread is pointless no one is going to agree, and there will still be name calling like your a idiot
Or a loser of such, one thing those that flush seem to be of a kinder nature. I flush and will always
Do it look at my grows nothing rong there :) and I cure/ dry the right way lol, simple fact is last grow
I had a couple hermie so I choped them without a flush the dried/cured the the way I do thing, the after
A flush took down the rest and cured it to! So by now the hermie weed been cureing twice as long as the
Other. So now to the smoke report hands down the hermie wasnt as clean and burned ok but not a smooth
As the flushed buds, things like the last 3 hits in a bowl being not so good, o and a buddy says ( Dude did
You flush this lol) point is like still said do what you do and il do what i do.
thank yuh!! well that bout does it for mi on this thread got what i needed to say out and have some others agreeing. best of luck to all your grows
MUCH LOVE
 

Illumination

New Member
thank yuh!! well that bout does it for mi on this thread got what i needed to say out and have some others agreeing. best of luck to all your grows
MUCH LOVE
yes heaven forbid you read the previous post which is FACT and you might actually learn something real instead of hype...nope can not see you doing that...typical
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
yes heaven forbid you read the previous post which is FACT and you might actually learn something real instead of hype...nope can not see you doing that...typical
Ahh Lumi, many thanks for copying/pasting the flushing thing here...guess you can lead the Horse to water but you cant make it drink...seems they all have a bit of tinfoil hat syndrome going on...
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They'll learn someday...
 

stillfree

Active Member
yes heaven forbid you read the previous post which is FACT and you might actually learn something real instead of hype...nope can not see you doing that...typical
ok guess i am not done this damn squid billy wont let it go that some people have there own ways of doing thing like i believe a couple of us on here have already said.... but typical there is always someone out in dis world trying to bring people down...when all wi need is understanding peace and love.... not he said she said bs that again someone just like yuh and I wrote a whole page article on how he is right bout not to flush... well i dont care yuh can put up as many article and lead me to think ur non flushed flowers are better but ur right UB i wont even smoke something full of SHIT! if it was clean water than yes.... hahahahah oh and p.s. wat i mean by sum understand is dat yuh understand everyone is the same here doing wat wi love to do..but also we are all uneik in are own ways
much love to everyone
 

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
ok guess i am not done this damn squid billy wont let it go that some people have there own ways of doing thing like i believe a couple of us on here have already said.... but typical there is always someone out in dis world trying to bring people down...when all wi need is understanding peace and love.... not he said she said bs that again someone just like yuh and I wrote a whole page article on how he is right bout not to flush... well i dont care yuh can put up as many article and lead me to think ur non flushed flowers are better but ur right UB i wont even smoke something full of SHIT! if it was clean water than yes.... hahahahah oh and p.s. wat i mean by sum understand is dat yuh understand everyone is the same here doing wat wi love to do..but also we are all uneik in are own ways
much love to everyone
Well said theres no real reason to add fuel to this fire sinse its a go no where toppic peace
 

stillfree

Active Member
i no sry hellraiser it takes alot for sumone to piss me off but him call you idiot and ME just had to write bak to his bs...
 

kevin murphy

New Member
lets just get back to the topic of the thread and stick with that instead of arguin..peace growers...my opion is flushing for sure..
 
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