advanced nutrients vs. fox farm

GreedAndVanity

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Handbook of Plant Nutrition edited by Allen V. Barker and David J. Pilbeam.

Everyone should read it.

Having cultivated fungi some of those 'boosters' do have an effect on plants symbiotic relationship with fungi and bacterium. Really though that is a big animal to tackle. Fungi will eat anything.
 

jberry

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no matter what brands you use, your profits should still be insanely high !!
I never understood the people in this industry that are such cheap skates.... if your going to do something, then do it right... if your going to be DIY guy then you better be making something better than what is available for sale.

if your going to buy in bulk and mix your own, then it should be because you get better results doing so (which i believe is possible but unlikely for most).... not so u can save $40 bucks on the food that feeds your $20,000 dollar crop.

just my opinions tho.
 

chiefbootknocker

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no matter what brands you use, your profits should still be insanely high !!
I never understood the people in this industry that are such cheap skates.... if your going to do something, then do it right... if your going to be DIY guy then you better be making something better than what is available for sale.

if your going to buy in bulk and mix your own, then it should be because you get better results doing so (which i believe is possible but unlikely for most).... not so u can save $40 bucks on the food that feeds your $20,000 dollar crop.

just my opinions tho.

In general; what NPK values does marijuana like from veg to the end of flower?
 

jberry

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there havent been a ton of studies done on cannabis nutrient uptake... but it is still a plant and would need a "complete" fertilizer to thrive.

and it depends on if you use organic or synthetic nutes?, and variety of cannabis just to start with.

thats kinda a hard one to answer...and im not sure there is a simple answer that everyone could agrre on.

ive tried a lot of different base nutes and they all gave me similar results, but i have seen a yield increase of 15-20 percent when i use certain additives in addition to my base nutes.
 

chiefbootknocker

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there havent been a ton of studies done on cannabis nutrient uptake... but it is still a plant and would need a "complete" fertilizer to thrive.

and it depends on if you use organic or synthetic nutes?, and variety of cannabis just to start with.

thats kinda a hard one to answer...and im not sure there is a simple answer that everyone could agrre on.

ive tried a lot of different base nutes and they all gave me similar results, but i have seen a yield increase of 15-20 percent when i use certain additives in addition to my base nutes.

I'll assume that this is in response to my question. If so I'm not sure I follow you in regards of organic vs. synthetic nutes. What is the difference whether the NPK figure is derived organically or synthetically? Aren't these just what they call the "guaranteed analysis" of NPK in the nutes? So if that is correct then these are just percentages. It seems to me that the percentage itself is more the key. Example; MJ likes more P and K during flower as it promotes flowering and multiple bud sites, and less of that in veg where it likes more N. So the reason I was asking you the question is because you kinda seemed to suggest that some fert companies are screwing people out of money because they wern't selling a product that was in the NPK range that MJ likes. I have never found anyone say what NPK MJ likes so I thought I would ask. Maybe you were speaking more about a a particular product being used in general????
 

kntrl

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no matter what brands you use, your profits should still be insanely high !!
I never understood the people in this industry that are such cheap skates.... if your going to do something, then do it right... if your going to be DIY guy then you better be making something better than what is available for sale.

if your going to buy in bulk and mix your own, then it should be because you get better results doing so (which i believe is possible but unlikely for most).... not so u can save $40 bucks on the food that feeds your $20,000 dollar crop.

just my opinions tho.
What makes you think everyone is growing $20,000 crops?

Id say most folks dont even have 1000 watts of light.

Id say most people are always about saving money.

Id say most people want to know the difference between results and hype.

I love diy projects. how could you not?
 

jberry

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I'll assume that this is in response to my question. If so I'm not sure I follow you in regards of organic vs. synthetic nutes. What is the difference whether the NPK figure is derived organically or synthetically? Aren't these just what they call the "guaranteed analysis" of NPK in the nutes? So if that is correct then these are just percentages. It seems to me that the percentage itself is more the key. Example; MJ likes more P and K during flower as it promotes flowering and multiple bud sites, and less of that in veg where it likes more N. So the reason I was asking you the question is because you kinda seemed to suggest that some fert companies are screwing people out of money because they wern't selling a product that was in the NPK range that MJ likes. I have never found anyone say what NPK MJ likes so I thought I would ask. Maybe you were speaking more about a a particular product being used in general????
well i wasnt trying to suggest anything that, are you sure it was me?... maybe it was uncle ben? lol

as far as your other question... npk values can vary a lot from synthetic to organic (organics usually have a very low npk) and from liquid to powder (powders usually have the really high NPK's) and even from country to country.....usa has a different method of finding npk values then europe, so what may be 0-13-14 in one country, it may be listed at 0-10-11 in another.
 

jberry

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What makes you think everyone is growing $20,000 crops?

Id say most folks dont even have 1000 watts of light.

Id say most people are always about saving money.

Id say most people want to know the difference between results and hype.

I love diy projects. how could you not?
well that sucks for everyone, but i thought u would get the point i was trying to make. :joint:

but i do agree with the hype comment u made, and i am one of those people, ive tried a lot of products and ive done a lot of side by side test with large plant numbers... If a products shows results then i continue to use it and i dont worry about what brand it is... some of the products i use are expensive and some are very cheap and bought in bulk online, but everything i use is either proved itself as the best ive tried so far, or is in the process of being tested. I usually run 2 cycles with the same test to really confirm the results.
 

chiefbootknocker

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well i wasnt trying to suggest anything that, are you sure it was me?... maybe it was uncle ben? lol

as far as your other question... npk values can vary a lot from synthetic to organic (organics usually have a very low npk) and from liquid to powder (powders usually have the really high NPK's) and even from country to country.....usa has a different method of finding npk values then europe, so what may be 0-13-14 in one country, it may be listed at 0-10-11 in another.

Well that's messed up I did quote the wrong guy. Well since I blew that one I will silently leave.:o
 

fallinghigh

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AN sucks my left nut and the right one said no thanks. Honestly had better results with shults walmart powder lmao
Foxfarm knows what they are doing. But there shit is high priced. Guano tea for soil and GH for hydro is my choice for both quality and price Lucas and Florolicious is a good combo for hydro

BUT AN VS FOXFARM FOXFARM ALLTHEWAY no comp at all

Best Quote I seen on the thread
There is no such thing as a plant "booster" i.e. the often hawked enzyme and vitamin inclusion baloney.

1. Plants make their own enyzmes and vitamins, they don't need your help,

2. One has no way of verifying that their fave product is as represented, and even if it was, because it's marketing gimmicks rather than facts that focus on fulfilling your production dreams, does not mean it's so (that's all this biz is, conmen fulfilling dreams).

If it sounds too good to be true......

The only "boosters" that horticulturists apply is synthetic hormones witness commercial artichoke or table grape growing. The rest is simple - the 16 essential elements for plant growth. Hell, most times you can't get that info with these cannabis specific products mainly due to a lack of strict regulation of this industry. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what that suggests. It means what you see in this biz - these vendors/manufacturers realize who and what they are dealing with - kids/noobs who tend to focus on the inherent communal glamor, mystique and romance, folks who are generally too lazy to learn what makes a plant tick regarding plant nutrition and such. It's really quite simple. "Tell me what I should use."

There are those that also prescribe "beneficial" elements like silicon. Now, I'm not advocating the use of silicon or any other wild ass element for cannabis, so kiddies don't go off on a tangent and Google yourself to death. :D If you think you need some barium, then check out your proctologist's barium enema procedure. It just may save your life. :mrgreen:
 

genfranco

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The best approach is to find out the NPK and micro values/ratio. If you don't know that, you'll never become a master gardener.

If you really analyze the "cannabis specific" foods, you'll realize that most of them are crap, designed to empty the pockets of primarily noobs or the unsophisticated grower, their primary targets.

UB

Whatup man.... i agree with everything u say..
where is the thread uncle ben? I want to be a master gardener.







ON the other hand...

companies are good to get people going. And if they throw away 12$ a bottle here and there while they learn then wha...?

My deal is i want it to taste better.. SO it has to be organic... what is your mix man?

Do u have any experience in hydro?...

Have a good one..
 

sparki

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B-52 is the vitamins and sensizyme is the enzymes. so boosters are probably hormones? so how do i obtain these growth hormones naturally or organically to be specific?
 

Uncle Ben

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I'll assume that this is in response to my question. If so I'm not sure I follow you in regards of organic vs. synthetic nutes. What is the difference whether the NPK figure is derived organically or synthetically? Aren't these just what they call the "guaranteed analysis" of NPK in the nutes?
Yep. I do feel much better knowing my plants got a touch of some Eye of Newt.

So if that is correct then these are just percentages. It seems to me that the percentage itself is more the key.
It is. Excellent points!

Example; MJ likes more P and K during flower as it promotes flowering and multiple bud sites, and less of that in veg where it likes more N. So the reason I was asking you the question is because you kinda seemed to suggest that some fert companies are screwing people out of money because they wern't selling a product that was in the NPK range that MJ likes.
MJ is a flowering foliage plant. Accordingly if a high P and K value will support the health and retention of leaves up until harvest, then their use is warranted.

B-52 is the vitamins and sensizyme is the enzymes. so boosters are probably hormones? so how do i obtain these growth hormones naturally or organically to be specific?
I don't trust AN products as they are not a credible op. Are their product ingredients and the active ingredient percentages posted on the label? IOW, if they include cytokinins in a product, is it posted and are their claims/statements verifiable?

Most hormones are found at nurseries or available for the commercial nurseryman or greenhouse grower. Their application WILL induce unpredictable results. I see you're on the "push 'em" band wagon and will fall like the rest of them who have tried to circumvent basic horticultural practices. Don't do it.

UB
 

GreedAndVanity

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Lol UB you have a lot of patience.

I know I love the shit out of stuff that has been given a bunch of hormones all its life. It makes me feel extra content.
 

sparki

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Yep. I do feel much better knowing my plants got a touch of some Eye of Newt.

It is. Excellent points!

MJ is a flowering foliage plant. Accordingly if a high P and K value will support the health and retention of leaves up until harvest, then their use is warranted.



I don't trust AN products as they are not a credible op. Are their product ingredients and the active ingredient percentages posted on the label? IOW, if they include cytokinins in a product, is it posted and are their claims/statements verifiable?

Most hormones are found at nurseries or available for the commercial nurseryman or greenhouse grower. Their application WILL induce unpredictable results. I see you're on the "push 'em" band wagon and will fall like the rest of them who have tried to circumvent basic horticultural practices. Don't do it.

UB
i wont disagree with you at all. ill admit i turned a blind eye to ignorance. my goal is to grow humungous plants outdoors power of the sun, no space restrictions, etc etc. but since this thead is fox farm vs AN, ive tried both fox farm and AN. fox farm produced great results for me too but not as much as AN. AN for me is better for the following reasons, the ph consistency is great (i dont even have to PH when im feeding, but i do for good practice and also serves as a backcheck to make sure i didnt make a stupid stoned move). Voodoo juice produced a lot of strong roots (before i learned that a simple razor can do what this does) and i got satisfying results. eventually with a yard i'd like to start a compost pile and become all organic. when i stare at my feed mix i think, what is this im giving to my plants, and it looks just like compost tea. i gotta look into these hormones at the commercial centers.

I will admit that they werent clear at all on the directions for using soil. ur actually supposed to feed just once a week (when i called tech support) and only water in between. i figured that they did this on purpose so that people will buy more faster, but then again just my assumption. so by feeding just once a week, AN nutrients actually go a long way and so you pay a lot of costs upfront but you get your money back, and its been working. my fox farm experience resulted barely cutting even after factoring in time and money. i think the best ultimately is, free light, lots of space, and all natural outdoors is the best way to go. i bet if everyone does this one day, people arent going to have to spend so much to enjoy this great plant we all love so much.
 

sparki

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"Push em"

haha i totally know whatcha mean, i felt like a communist dictator on my first grow with AN saying "grow bitches grow!!!!" ive learned to feed based on what they need more than a schedule. its been working great so far.
 
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