greenjambo
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Ak47- jack 47- critical mass help!
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dr green dre
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kool jambo..
Heres a look at some of the cheese in the tent, the leaves have started going all yellow and rusty in places, i have changed the res on all pots this week and its not gotten any better..
The buds have started to show in the main room ,looking kinda puiny at the mo but i know whats coming!!
Below is room and tent in veg, the Ak48 has some massive leaves almost cabbage like..
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Nearly all my cuts have come through ,almost 100% < roots look healthy .. Dont know about no one else but nothing beats peat pellets!! Strongest roots for a while , i had them in the root it tray so they're raised higher of the floor..
Some last shots of the frosty cheese...
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dr green dre
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Week 2&6 flower
Update ..
Plants in room are doing well , ive just finished spraying with tea(Bat gauno/molasses).Buds are showing now so im adding pk13/14 this week all the time ive been using it i was adding it wrong!! i was adding it around week 6 instead of what is says on the bottle
. Ive moved around a few pots .
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The tents not getting any worse buds are starting to swell up now ,added carboload now and going to add overdrive next feeding..
Cooltube tents coming along nicely expect for a bubb that seems to have root rot in .i re used a pot with out proper cleaning now im learning the hard way.Re potted the ak 48 an pine-apple cheese in some new 18ltr pots .
Has anybody used atami ATA organics or B'cuzz nutriants? Got a bunch of free bottles from my local grow shop, i know him alright so i get some deals but this was free..
believe it or not " any samples about" was all i said and...
the second pic is a hydro set from all the bottles, there coco & soil aswell ,i never knew they made foods for stavias (SA) and indicas (ID).
Any info on these would be helpfull
Update ..
Plants in room are doing well , ive just finished spraying with tea(Bat gauno/molasses).Buds are showing now so im adding pk13/14 this week all the time ive been using it i was adding it wrong!! i was adding it around week 6 instead of what is says on the bottle
. Ive moved around a few pots .View attachment 1246402View attachment 1246403View attachment 1246405View attachment 1246406The tents not getting any worse buds are starting to swell up now ,added carboload now and going to add overdrive next feeding..
Cooltube tents coming along nicely expect for a bubb that seems to have root rot in .i re used a pot with out proper cleaning now im learning the hard way.Re potted the ak 48 an pine-apple cheese in some new 18ltr pots .
Has anybody used atami ATA organics or B'cuzz nutriants? Got a bunch of free bottles from my local grow shop, i know him alright so i get some deals but this was free..
believe it or not " any samples about" was all i said and...
the second pic is a hydro set from all the bottles, there coco & soil aswell ,i never knew they made foods for stavias (SA) and indicas (ID).
Any info on these would be helpfull
whodatnation
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I was looking for some info on that a few months back but I came up with nothin
dr green dre
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Ive been looking myself and cant find any mention of it on there site, its probally just another marketing gimick.. when back to said shop and got a few more bottles he had left round the backI was looking for some info on that a few months back but I came up with nothin
dr green dre
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First pic is my Nute schedule i made up today any tips are welome its liablie to change, roots of big 90ltr they fell thick like the end of the last crop already! Ak48 with some thick stems already looks wierd with those huge leaves..Tent cheese porn -trying out different stuff on cam, some white type of mold on top of buckets any clues? Finally the next generation roots looking good..
First pic is my Nute schedule i made up today any tips are welome its liablie to change, roots of big 90ltr they fell thick like the end of the last crop already! Ak48 with some thick stems already looks wierd with those huge leaves..Tent cheese porn -trying out different stuff on cam, some white type of mold on top of buckets any clues? Finally the next generation roots looking good..
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whodatnation
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Sorry I can't give any insight on the nutes but I will say WoW! keep on doing it dre
dr green dre
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kool bro i've been doing some searching myself and theres not much info out there on specfic nutes for stavias/indicas , i did see an House& Garden chart that had a feed schedule for "short "plants 4wks veg and "Tall" 6wks veg , which i can only guess meant something similar.I started a thread on it, some one was saying they think Indicas need more N and sativas more K , thats the most i heard so far . Im going to do a run with them anyway as the seem to be full of good shit(bennies ) even in the hydro versions ,im hoping they do good cause the whole package is a decent price and it seems to have alot of what others are offering in seperate bottles , im going to buy there pk13/14 to add to it. Ive only just started to realize that most nutes are designed to work together and not to be mixed with other brands, im not saying they dont work together but its optimum is with its sister products.Which makes sense as i set of scienctists formula may not be the same as anothers ,in quality or expertise ,plus one product could be lacking in something which is available in next the product on the schedule .If that makes .Sorry I can't give any insight on the nutes but I will say WoW! keep on doing it dre
when my nutes on the sheet run out im going to stick with one brand for hydro and one for soil,maybe H&G line.
dr green dre
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I came in to find buds hanging down the sides ,i had to string up a few to keep in them all in reach of the light.not as thick as the last but the feel harder! could be cause i stopped the big bud and added carboload for first time, anyway looking burnt but okay no more nutes now just water for here..Strung up fan to ceiling with green wire and some spare straps i had with the tent.
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homebrewer
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I have no experience with the nutes that you're using, but I can tell you that with a TDS meter, you can have success on your first grow with them. Run your ladies at 1000ppm on the 442 scale (1.5 EC) and see how they do. We all tend to over fertilize but I think less is more when it comes to feeding. You definitely have some good looking buds there.
EDIT: I just saw the pic of your nute schedule. Wow. My thoughts are that you're using about 15 products too many. Simplify your process. A lot of those additives are being wasted because your plants are already getting their minerals from other products that you're using. Study your products and what minerals they're providing. Throw away the ones that are 'doubling up'.
EDIT: I just saw the pic of your nute schedule. Wow. My thoughts are that you're using about 15 products too many. Simplify your process. A lot of those additives are being wasted because your plants are already getting their minerals from other products that you're using. Study your products and what minerals they're providing. Throw away the ones that are 'doubling up'.
dr green dre
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Thanks for the reply bro.. Thats why i put up my schedule i feel that i was doubling up on some things .I have so many products because 1, i have a hydro and soil grow on and 2, Voodoo,carboload,overdrive & final flush were all given to me recently off a friend so -them for my previous grow schedule,and i listened to to many people before i came on here so i bought alot of word of mouth products.
Im trying to do that at the moment but not all products tell you the ingrediants Dutch pro-take root/explode & multi total (which i got as samples). And how do you figure out the right ratios of N-P-K as its all confusing to me .Its only now im really taking this seriously , in your opinion what 15 products are to much and why if you can.
thanks bro..
Edit: vita buddy may be the same as pk13/14 in the sense of when you apply and its high P ratio.
I havent tried those B'cuzz yet but i will be soon ,you heard anything about there claims though?
homebrewer
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Generally I like to use a solid base nute line. For me that is either the GH 3 part or DynaGro's grow or bloom formula or Botanicare's Pure Blend (for my dirt ladies). All of these products have either a balanced 1-1-1 ratio or something else desirable like a 1-2-1 or 1-2-2. My additives are either a fulvic/humic acid type product like liquid karma or Floralicious plus and a sea kelp kind of product. In my opinion, growing gets very difficult when you have weird NPK ratios for your base nutes and even weirder ones with the 'boosters'.
In theory, 95% of what your plant needs should come from your base nutes in good ratios and in adequate amounts. The additives one uses sometimes serve to correct issues related to using RO water or softer water in general. You shouldn't need PK boosters because if you do need them, that's sort of a sign that your base isn't providing the correct NPK ratios. You can't force your plant to pull up more than it needs without either wasting nutes or burning your plants.
I don't use any of the products on your list but in general, you want a 1-3-2 ratio in flower. 1-2-1 works well too but sometimes what works well is up to your plants to decide. So keep that ratio in mind and do some simple math. If your base is a 1-1-1 and a 'booster' is 1-2-2, then maybe that booster could provide some benefit. Assuming your base is providing the essential micro and macro elements, those 2 items should be the only NPK products that you should use. Your other products could include items similar to what I mentioned above and maybe some beneficials. Microbes need food so any cheap source of carbs should work, I prefer sweet from botanicare.
Keep your feeding program simple and complete. Don't overfeed and read what your plants are telling you. Your product already looks great. Get a handle on complete nutrition and you'll have great yields too.
In theory, 95% of what your plant needs should come from your base nutes in good ratios and in adequate amounts. The additives one uses sometimes serve to correct issues related to using RO water or softer water in general. You shouldn't need PK boosters because if you do need them, that's sort of a sign that your base isn't providing the correct NPK ratios. You can't force your plant to pull up more than it needs without either wasting nutes or burning your plants.
I don't use any of the products on your list but in general, you want a 1-3-2 ratio in flower. 1-2-1 works well too but sometimes what works well is up to your plants to decide. So keep that ratio in mind and do some simple math. If your base is a 1-1-1 and a 'booster' is 1-2-2, then maybe that booster could provide some benefit. Assuming your base is providing the essential micro and macro elements, those 2 items should be the only NPK products that you should use. Your other products could include items similar to what I mentioned above and maybe some beneficials. Microbes need food so any cheap source of carbs should work, I prefer sweet from botanicare.
Keep your feeding program simple and complete. Don't overfeed and read what your plants are telling you. Your product already looks great. Get a handle on complete nutrition and you'll have great yields too.
dr green dre
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kool info bro...going to look into everything you mentioned. I seen some thing 9-40-10 cha ching which had me confusesd my grow shop guy raves about it but i just thought it seem to high and the price was like woah. Ive seen alot of people on ffarms and advanced Nutes but i just think there whole packages is why to high form start to finish?
Do you stick to one product line threw your grow( base & additives).
Thanks for the time , simple but advanced (knowledge) at the same time sounds like the way forward..
Do you stick to one product line threw your grow( base & additives).
Thanks for the time , simple but advanced (knowledge) at the same time sounds like the way forward..
homebrewer
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Well, I'm in the middle of switching from GH to DynaGro so sometimes I'll veg with one brand and flower with the other. The end goal is to use the DynaGro base with one or two 'organic' GH additives (testing is still in progress). I try to keep it simple but complete.
dr green dre
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I found this post other on breed bay , thanks to Chronical for posting this there, ill be reading this and trying to workout some thing with the products ive got.
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[/QUOTE]NPK Ratios using 3-part nutrients:
When you are using a 3 part feed such as General Hydroponics or Advanced Nutrients Grow, Micro, Bloom you can tailor mix the 3 components in different ratio to achieve different NPK levels for different stages of the plants growth and bloom. 3 part is my favorite nutrient and it gives great results.
Note: When using 3 part feeds always add the Micro to the tank FIRST and stir in well, then add the Bloom, then the Grow. This is to avoid locking out micro nutrients, as the Micro is the most likely to lock out as it contains the majority of the micro elements. Another thing you may want to do is adjust the tank ph to around 6-7 before adding the micro, bloom and grow.
I have took the time to work out all the different ratios that can be achieved, and their outcome NPK level. Also are the NPK levels achieved when mixing the 3 part as 1-1-1 with various popular PK boost products added.
Firstly here are the ratios of the 3 part feed:
Grow 2-1-6 / Micro 5-0-1 / Bloom 0-5-4
And here are some different ratios that can be used. I have added a (G) label to the ones that would be classed as Grow nutrients and a (B) next to the ones that represent a Bloom formula. The (SB) label means that it is a super bloom formula with high potassium(K) and Phosphorus(P) content:
G-M-B / N P K
1-1-1 = 7-6-11 (B)
1-2-3 = 7-16-20 (B)
3-2-1 = 16-8-24 (G)
2-2-1 = 14-7-18 (G)
1-2-2 = 12-11-16 (B)
1-2-1 = 12-6-12 (G)
2-1-2 = 9-12-21 (B)
1-1-2 = 7-11-15 (B)
1-1-3 = 7-16-19 (SB)
1-1-4 = 7-21-23 (SB)
1-2-4 = 12-21-24 (SB)
1-2-5 = 12-26-28 (SB)
Here are the various ratios of popular Bloom boosters used by growers:
Big Bud = 0-1-4 High K
PK 9/18= 0-9-18 High K
Bloom Booster Pro(Monster Bloom)= 0-50-30 High P
PK 13/14= 0-13-14 High P+K
Overdrive= 1-3-4 Small amount of N and High P+K
Bud Blood(Blossom Blood)= 0-39-25 High P
If you are intending on using a PK booster such as one of the above mentioned then I would suggest using the 1-1-1 ratio. This is because if you were to use a 1-2-3 ratio and add a PK booster also the chances of overdose are high as there is already a high amount of P+K in this ratio.
Here are the different NPK levels achieved when these boosters are used with a 1-1-1 ratio:
Big Bud + 1-1-1 ratio= NPK 7-7-15
PK 9/18+ 1-1-1 ratio= NPK 7-15-29
Bloom Booster + 1-1-1 ratio= NPK 7-56-41
PK 13/14 + 1-1-1 ratio= NPK 7-19-25
Overdrive + 1-1-1 ratio= NPK 8-9-15
Bud Blood + 1-1-1 ratio= NPK 7-45-36
As we can see there is a wide range of different blends that can be custom mixed to give lots of different NPK levels.
I hope that somebody will find this thread useful as to deciding which ratio to use and also which PK boost to use with it.
Peace Chronical
Cut & Paste
When you are using a 3 part feed such as General Hydroponics or Advanced Nutrients Grow, Micro, Bloom you can tailor mix the 3 components in different ratio to achieve different NPK levels for different stages of the plants growth and bloom. 3 part is my favorite nutrient and it gives great results.
Note: When using 3 part feeds always add the Micro to the tank FIRST and stir in well, then add the Bloom, then the Grow. This is to avoid locking out micro nutrients, as the Micro is the most likely to lock out as it contains the majority of the micro elements. Another thing you may want to do is adjust the tank ph to around 6-7 before adding the micro, bloom and grow.
I have took the time to work out all the different ratios that can be achieved, and their outcome NPK level. Also are the NPK levels achieved when mixing the 3 part as 1-1-1 with various popular PK boost products added.
Firstly here are the ratios of the 3 part feed:
Grow 2-1-6 / Micro 5-0-1 / Bloom 0-5-4
And here are some different ratios that can be used. I have added a (G) label to the ones that would be classed as Grow nutrients and a (B) next to the ones that represent a Bloom formula. The (SB) label means that it is a super bloom formula with high potassium(K) and Phosphorus(P) content:
G-M-B / N P K
1-1-1 = 7-6-11 (B)
1-2-3 = 7-16-20 (B)
3-2-1 = 16-8-24 (G)
2-2-1 = 14-7-18 (G)
1-2-2 = 12-11-16 (B)
1-2-1 = 12-6-12 (G)
2-1-2 = 9-12-21 (B)
1-1-2 = 7-11-15 (B)
1-1-3 = 7-16-19 (SB)
1-1-4 = 7-21-23 (SB)
1-2-4 = 12-21-24 (SB)
1-2-5 = 12-26-28 (SB)
Here are the various ratios of popular Bloom boosters used by growers:
Big Bud = 0-1-4 High K
PK 9/18= 0-9-18 High K
Bloom Booster Pro(Monster Bloom)= 0-50-30 High P
PK 13/14= 0-13-14 High P+K
Overdrive= 1-3-4 Small amount of N and High P+K
Bud Blood(Blossom Blood)= 0-39-25 High P
If you are intending on using a PK booster such as one of the above mentioned then I would suggest using the 1-1-1 ratio. This is because if you were to use a 1-2-3 ratio and add a PK booster also the chances of overdose are high as there is already a high amount of P+K in this ratio.
Here are the different NPK levels achieved when these boosters are used with a 1-1-1 ratio:
Big Bud + 1-1-1 ratio= NPK 7-7-15
PK 9/18+ 1-1-1 ratio= NPK 7-15-29
Bloom Booster + 1-1-1 ratio= NPK 7-56-41
PK 13/14 + 1-1-1 ratio= NPK 7-19-25
Overdrive + 1-1-1 ratio= NPK 8-9-15
Bud Blood + 1-1-1 ratio= NPK 7-45-36
As we can see there is a wide range of different blends that can be custom mixed to give lots of different NPK levels.
I hope that somebody will find this thread useful as to deciding which ratio to use and also which PK boost to use with it.
Peace Chronical
dr green dre
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Kool.. trying to work out all these npk ratios of current products is taking time but i'll figure it out .. simple and complete it is then..
homebrewer
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Personally if I was using the micro and bloom in flower, I'd use in equal parts roughly equating to a 5-5-5 NPK. At that point it's easy to add a 'booster' if I had one but instead, I usually just increase the bloom formula to weight the numbers to the P and K side for late flower. The same could possibly be done with your sensi stuff. Find a balance then add something like a Hydroplex (http://www.americanagritech.com/supplements/hydroplex) which will add some nice micros and secondary macros because that sensi stuff is a little light on what plants need.
I think the take-away is; read what is in your product and just make sure you're supplying as many minerals as possible without needing more than a few bottles, total.
dr green dre
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Good advice there HB.. Been reading up some found some info on working out the N-P-K ratios ,you wouldnt believe i didnt know how to do it 
well i do now.
I didnt think i needed to know that before ,just add this products and bigger harvests! I feel thats things are going to get a better now. Thanks for steering me in the right direction.
Found this online thought I'd share this as it helped me figure out what i need :
What does NPK ratio mean?
NPK ratio refers to the relative proportions of nitrogen(N), phosphorus(P) and potassium(K) in the fertiliser. It is expressed as N
:K. It may refer to either the respective percentages of these nutrients in the fertiliser or their relative proportions. For example, the NPK ratio for a fertiliser containing 20% N, 5% P and 10% K can be expressed as 20:5:10 (respective percentages) or 4:1:2 (relative proportions).
Using percentages has the benefit of indicating how much of each element the fertiliser contains, ie. how concentrated it is, however when percentages are amounts like 21.4% N, 3.2% P and 9.7% K, it can be difficult to work out the NPK ratio as you contemplate which fertiliser to purchase.
How to compare NPK ratios
Two Thrive fertilisers for different purposes illustrate the differences in NPK ratios very well.
Heres the link if anybodys intrested theres abit more info there..http://cbs.org.au/wiki/index.php?title=Demystifying_NPK.
When i get to the garden later i will be doing a revised schedule..
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+rep HB , its saying the usual bs so i do it myself
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well i do now. I didnt think i needed to know that before ,just add this products and bigger harvests! I feel thats things are going to get a better now. Thanks for steering me in the right direction.
Found this online thought I'd share this as it helped me figure out what i need :
What does NPK ratio mean?
NPK ratio refers to the relative proportions of nitrogen(N), phosphorus(P) and potassium(K) in the fertiliser. It is expressed as N
:K. It may refer to either the respective percentages of these nutrients in the fertiliser or their relative proportions. For example, the NPK ratio for a fertiliser containing 20% N, 5% P and 10% K can be expressed as 20:5:10 (respective percentages) or 4:1:2 (relative proportions). Using percentages has the benefit of indicating how much of each element the fertiliser contains, ie. how concentrated it is, however when percentages are amounts like 21.4% N, 3.2% P and 9.7% K, it can be difficult to work out the NPK ratio as you contemplate which fertiliser to purchase.
How to compare NPK ratios
Two Thrive fertilisers for different purposes illustrate the differences in NPK ratios very well.
- I have divided the % of each element by the %P and rounded to the nearest whole number to show the relative proportions for N and K.
Heres the link if anybodys intrested theres abit more info there..http://cbs.org.au/wiki/index.php?title=Demystifying_NPK.
When i get to the garden later i will be doing a revised schedule..
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+rep HB , its saying the usual bs so i do it myself
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homebrewer
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Yes, good post there Dre. Another thing to consider, other than NPK ratios which are very important, is the secondary elements like sulfur, iron, calcium, magnesium, boron, etc. Here is a good link on the elements and what they do: http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/quickref/fertilizer/nutri_def.html
Plant nutrition is a balancing act. Check out this link: http://www.totalgro.com/concepts.htm
As you can see in both links, you really can't supply one element in excess without locking out other elements which can create deficiencies. That's why it's important to have a solid balanced base nute line with lots of micros (or a solid base plus an additive to round out total nutrition). Using a good base can eliminate the need for 'boosters' as all they will do is lock out competing elements or burn your plants. Keep it simple, keep it balanced. Cheers!
Plant nutrition is a balancing act. Check out this link: http://www.totalgro.com/concepts.htm
As you can see in both links, you really can't supply one element in excess without locking out other elements which can create deficiencies. That's why it's important to have a solid balanced base nute line with lots of micros (or a solid base plus an additive to round out total nutrition). Using a good base can eliminate the need for 'boosters' as all they will do is lock out competing elements or burn your plants. Keep it simple, keep it balanced. Cheers!
dr green dre
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Update wk 3 & 7 flower
The rooms looking good one of the Diesiels is yellowing slightly added up epsom salts to its feed.Tents in flush mode now ,i let the res run low againwhen i tested the res and the e.c was 4.4!! Anyway just water i might use the final flush in the next watering but i aint sure about these chem flushes.The other tents doing ok im going to give it another week before switch.
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The rooms looking good one of the Diesiels is yellowing slightly added up epsom salts to its feed.Tents in flush mode now ,i let the res run low again
when i tested the res and the e.c was 4.4!! Anyway just water i might use the final flush in the next watering but i aint sure about these chem flushes.The other tents doing ok im going to give it another week before switch.loads of pics:
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