MatanuskaValley
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man i would rather have more potent stuff that you can use less of its pretty gross. and oh fuck it burns especially if you need a full dropper!
Alcohol Tincture
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Hobbes
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Hey Hummbling!
"I made a batch of this using everclear. I was very precise and my temps stayed around 165 degrees. When I was finished I ended up with 1/2 of oz. of tincture. Can I add a 1/2 of more everclear to bring that up to 1f ounce of tincture? I thought Id ask first incase the fresh Everclear might alter it in a bad way."
Matanuska is correct.
The only negative effect will be to decrease the potency of a volume - 1 ml of old tincture will have the same potency as 2 ml of the new tincture. Taste will improve as the chlorophyll and terpins extracted by the alcohol are divided over twice the liquid. Alcohol is a near polar solvent which means, for one thing, that it will dissolve both resin and water soluble chlorophyll and terpins that make the tincture green and taste like ass water.
A better alternative, and one you can still do if you want, is to add water to your tincture and heat until all of the alcohol is boiled off. The dissolved resin will come out of solution and sink to the bottom of your jar. Siphon off the green dragon water that contains the chlorophyll and terpins in solution; add a smaller amount of pure clean Everclear to the resin sediment and you have Alcohol Resin Tincture - potent and tasty.
You could also use vegetable glycerin or grape seed oil instead of Everclear for a different type of tincture.
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Steps to increase tincture potency and improve taste:
Add water first then boil off the alcohol. Add water to keep the chlorophyll and terpins off the cannaboid sediment.
If you use a pyrex mason jar it will make the process easier, you can shake it later to dissolve the dried resin.
Heat the tincture with the top off between 79C and 100C. Do not boil the water.
The chlorophyll, terpins and leaf/bud parts will float in the water as the alcohol evaporates.
The resin will settle on the bottom as sediment - heavier than water like ice water hash.
Gently pour or siphon the green water out, any left will carry the green dragon taste to your new tincture.
Pour a small amount of solvent (alcohol, extracts, glycerin) - only enough so the sediment will dissolve and stay in solution.
The less solvent you use the more potent your tincture will be. It should now taste like the solvent, not green dragon.
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If you hadn't cured your bud/trim before making your tincture you could heat the sediment in a pyrex mason jar at 106C for 5 minutes after the resin is completely dry. This will decarboxylize any THCA left in the sediment, giving you more THC and more potency.
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You could use your Everclear in an Alcohol Reflux Extractor to conserve the Everclear, speed extraction and increase extraction efficiency.
https://www.rollitup.org/cooking-cannabis/285016-diy-crock-pot-alcohol-reflux.html
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Hey Hummbling!
"I made a batch of this using everclear. I was very precise and my temps stayed around 165 degrees. When I was finished I ended up with 1/2 of oz. of tincture. Can I add a 1/2 of more everclear to bring that up to 1f ounce of tincture? I thought Id ask first incase the fresh Everclear might alter it in a bad way."
Matanuska is correct.
The only negative effect will be to decrease the potency of a volume - 1 ml of old tincture will have the same potency as 2 ml of the new tincture. Taste will improve as the chlorophyll and terpins extracted by the alcohol are divided over twice the liquid. Alcohol is a near polar solvent which means, for one thing, that it will dissolve both resin and water soluble chlorophyll and terpins that make the tincture green and taste like ass water.
A better alternative, and one you can still do if you want, is to add water to your tincture and heat until all of the alcohol is boiled off. The dissolved resin will come out of solution and sink to the bottom of your jar. Siphon off the green dragon water that contains the chlorophyll and terpins in solution; add a smaller amount of pure clean Everclear to the resin sediment and you have Alcohol Resin Tincture - potent and tasty.
You could also use vegetable glycerin or grape seed oil instead of Everclear for a different type of tincture.
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Steps to increase tincture potency and improve taste:
Add water first then boil off the alcohol. Add water to keep the chlorophyll and terpins off the cannaboid sediment.
If you use a pyrex mason jar it will make the process easier, you can shake it later to dissolve the dried resin.
Heat the tincture with the top off between 79C and 100C. Do not boil the water.
The chlorophyll, terpins and leaf/bud parts will float in the water as the alcohol evaporates.
The resin will settle on the bottom as sediment - heavier than water like ice water hash.
Gently pour or siphon the green water out, any left will carry the green dragon taste to your new tincture.
Pour a small amount of solvent (alcohol, extracts, glycerin) - only enough so the sediment will dissolve and stay in solution.
The less solvent you use the more potent your tincture will be. It should now taste like the solvent, not green dragon.
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If you hadn't cured your bud/trim before making your tincture you could heat the sediment in a pyrex mason jar at 106C for 5 minutes after the resin is completely dry. This will decarboxylize any THCA left in the sediment, giving you more THC and more potency.
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You could use your Everclear in an Alcohol Reflux Extractor to conserve the Everclear, speed extraction and increase extraction efficiency.
https://www.rollitup.org/cooking-cannabis/285016-diy-crock-pot-alcohol-reflux.html
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That 5hit
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A typical slow cooker operates at 80°C (176°F) on low, 90°C (194°F) on high
a crock pot or slow cooker
and alcohol has a boiling point of 78 degrees Celsius
(step replacing)
instead of putting all the shit in a jar and then putting it in the boiling water making it like a double boiler
couldn't i just put everthing in a crock pot that way there's no open flame
just prolly take longer
the below Rx was given to me by Big P
green dragon
big p's "Reefer Liquor"
10g of pot dry
grind up to near dust
spread out on baking sheet
put in oven for 1hr at 220
bring water in a small pot to a boil
place in it a jar filled with the baked pot
pour in a pint of everclear or highest proof alcohol you have But leave like 1 or 2 shots out
bring this to a boil stiring occasionally for 30 min
let cool
take mixture out
strain out solids (weed) from mixture into a second jar
take the 1 or 2 shots you set aside earlyer and pour over the solids in the first jar
this is to get the stuff that might be left in the solids(weed)
then add this to the second jar
the bottle should now be half full or a little more than half full with the dragon cuz the rest evaporated away during cooking. fill the rest of the pint with water to make it about a 50/50 mix so it wont burn your throat
drink one shot, you just ingested about 1 gram of erb. I would pace myself cuz the shit will get you tossed depending on tolerances
then enjoy
a crock pot or slow cooker
and alcohol has a boiling point of 78 degrees Celsius
(step replacing)
instead of putting all the shit in a jar and then putting it in the boiling water making it like a double boiler
couldn't i just put everthing in a crock pot that way there's no open flame
just prolly take longer
the below Rx was given to me by Big P
green dragon
big p's "Reefer Liquor"
10g of pot dry
grind up to near dust
spread out on baking sheet
put in oven for 1hr at 220
bring water in a small pot to a boil
place in it a jar filled with the baked pot
pour in a pint of everclear or highest proof alcohol you have But leave like 1 or 2 shots out
bring this to a boil stiring occasionally for 30 min
let cool
take mixture out
strain out solids (weed) from mixture into a second jar
take the 1 or 2 shots you set aside earlyer and pour over the solids in the first jar
this is to get the stuff that might be left in the solids(weed)
then add this to the second jar
the bottle should now be half full or a little more than half full with the dragon cuz the rest evaporated away during cooking. fill the rest of the pint with water to make it about a 50/50 mix so it wont burn your throat
drink one shot, you just ingested about 1 gram of erb. I would pace myself cuz the shit will get you tossed depending on tolerances
then enjoy
Hey Hobbes,
Here is an update. Its been 1 hour and I really don't feel much. I don't have a big tolerance to smoking 2 hits and Im usually good for a couple hours. I'll wait another 1/2 hour and take another full serving (1ml) incase there is a build up in my system, if that doesn't do it I'll wait another 1 1/2 hours and take a full 2 ml dose. I'll keep you updated...
Here is an update. Its been 1 hour and I really don't feel much. I don't have a big tolerance to smoking 2 hits and Im usually good for a couple hours. I'll wait another 1/2 hour and take another full serving (1ml) incase there is a build up in my system, if that doesn't do it I'll wait another 1 1/2 hours and take a full 2 ml dose. I'll keep you updated...
MatanuskaValley
Well-Known Member
welcome to the reality of tincture you will find everything on this forum is oversold...
Hobbes
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"welcome to the reality of tincture you will find everything on this forum is oversold... "
is true.
You can make tincture that will knock out most people who consider themselves stoners though, potency only depends on how potent your bud/trim is once you have the extraction process down cold.
Making potent tincture really is no harder, and takes no more time, than making potent brownies.
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"welcome to the reality of tincture you will find everything on this forum is oversold... "
is true.
You can make tincture that will knock out most people who consider themselves stoners though, potency only depends on how potent your bud/trim is once you have the extraction process down cold.
Making potent tincture really is no harder, and takes no more time, than making potent brownies.
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MatanuskaValley
Well-Known Member
I used 6 grams of premium fire, some of these best weed I have had in a long long time..
"welcome to the reality of tincture you will find everything on this forum is oversold... "
is true.
You can make tincture that will knock out most people who consider themselves stoners though, potency only depends on how potent your bud/trim is once you have the extraction process down cold.
Making potent tincture really is no harder, and takes no more time, than making potent brownies.
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Perhaps it is every post says the temperatures in different C or F. It is just not user friendly.
This would be a hard thing to master from this confusing thread.
I would say "no offense" but after I read this, I can see it is offensive. Sorry.
IMO waste of weed unless you unlimited amounts.
Hobbes
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"This would be a hard thing to master from this confusing thread."
Very confusing thread with no order other than it's a repository for info on making tincture. Maybe I should take all of the recipies, procedures and tips and put them in a short thread. I made this thread for myself to help learn to make tincture and spent dozens of hours researching and ounces of bud experimenting, I think it would be fair to consolidate everything for forum members new to tincture.
"I would say "no offense" but after I read this, I can see it is offensive. Sorry."
Constructive criticism, you presented a problem and a concise thread may be a good solution.
+rep
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"IMO waste of weed unless you unlimited amounts"
There is a learning curve and if a person is buying their bud it's going to be an expensive education.
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"Perhaps it is every post says the temperatures in different C or F. It is just not user friendly"
That's a good observation I haven't thought about. I've collected recipes and articles from over a dozen people, added my own observations as did other forum members.
What would you suggest - consolidate all temps and times using my experience? A first post in the thread explaining why there are different theories, post what I would use? I certainly don't consider myself in the same game with most of the authors when it comes to tincture, cannabis, chemistry. It would be quite vain to post Dr Jay's or Subcool's recipes then say that they're wrong and I'm right.
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"This would be a hard thing to master from this confusing thread."
Very confusing thread with no order other than it's a repository for info on making tincture. Maybe I should take all of the recipies, procedures and tips and put them in a short thread. I made this thread for myself to help learn to make tincture and spent dozens of hours researching and ounces of bud experimenting, I think it would be fair to consolidate everything for forum members new to tincture.
"I would say "no offense" but after I read this, I can see it is offensive. Sorry."
Constructive criticism, you presented a problem and a concise thread may be a good solution.
+rep
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"IMO waste of weed unless you unlimited amounts"
There is a learning curve and if a person is buying their bud it's going to be an expensive education.
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"Perhaps it is every post says the temperatures in different C or F. It is just not user friendly"
That's a good observation I haven't thought about. I've collected recipes and articles from over a dozen people, added my own observations as did other forum members.
What would you suggest - consolidate all temps and times using my experience? A first post in the thread explaining why there are different theories, post what I would use? I certainly don't consider myself in the same game with most of the authors when it comes to tincture, cannabis, chemistry. It would be quite vain to post Dr Jay's or Subcool's recipes then say that they're wrong and I'm right.
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MatanuskaValley
Well-Known Member
Hard to say, I just want one recipe for tincture that works. I don't want a bunch of peoples variances and ideas..
"This would be a hard thing to master from this confusing thread."
Very confusing thread with no order other than it's a repository for info on making tincture. Maybe I should take all of the recipies, procedures and tips and put them in a short thread. I made this thread for myself to help learn to make tincture and spent dozens of hours researching and ounces of bud experimenting, I think it would be fair to consolidate everything for forum members new to tincture.
"I would say "no offense" but after I read this, I can see it is offensive. Sorry."
Constructive criticism, you presented a problem and a concise thread may be a good solution.
+rep
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"IMO waste of weed unless you unlimited amounts"
There is a learning curve and if a person is buying their bud it's going to be an expensive education.
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"Perhaps it is every post says the temperatures in different C or F. It is just not user friendly"
That's a good observation I haven't thought about. I've collected recipes and articles from over a dozen people, added my own observations as did other forum members.
What would you suggest - consolidate all temps and times using my experience? A first post in the thread explaining why there are different theories, post what I would use? I certainly don't consider myself in the same game with most of the authors when it comes to tincture, cannabis, chemistry. It would be quite vain to post Dr Jay's or Subcool's recipes then say that they're wrong and I'm right.
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Hopefully not in the metric system!
Also I think I may have went wrong by not spreading my pile of ground up weed thin enough prior to baking. A few pictures of the process variables would be nice just so we can eliminate the variables that are messing up some tinctures. OR perhaps 150 and 165 degrees is a huge difference. I think 150 does not work you have to boil it at 165. Am I wrong about this?
Hobbes
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"I just want one recipe for tincture that works. I don't want a bunch of peoples variances and ideas."
Honey Oil Tincture: My recipe. Idiot proof and guaranteed potent - if the bud is potent and extraction done properly which is not hard. The potency of the bud is up to you.
There's a bunch of stuff in this thread but it's scattered. I'll make a new thread with a pictorial using a variety of solvents (alcohol, glycerin, grape seed oil) and strains, then post reviews by the med patients I supply.
I'll design some plug 'n play Butane Honey Oil Extractors for small weights, My first gizmo did about 4 grams. Starting out the Honey Bee is fine for growers, a 1/2" copper plumbing pipe much better.
Matanuska if that's sounds like what you need I'll do the thread.
Starts on post #106 of this page.
https://www.rollitup.org/cooking-cannabis/125137-alcohol-tincture-11.html
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"I just want one recipe for tincture that works. I don't want a bunch of peoples variances and ideas."
Honey Oil Tincture: My recipe. Idiot proof and guaranteed potent - if the bud is potent and extraction done properly which is not hard. The potency of the bud is up to you.
There's a bunch of stuff in this thread but it's scattered. I'll make a new thread with a pictorial using a variety of solvents (alcohol, glycerin, grape seed oil) and strains, then post reviews by the med patients I supply.
I'll design some plug 'n play Butane Honey Oil Extractors for small weights, My first gizmo did about 4 grams. Starting out the Honey Bee is fine for growers, a 1/2" copper plumbing pipe much better.
Matanuska if that's sounds like what you need I'll do the thread.
Starts on post #106 of this page.
https://www.rollitup.org/cooking-cannabis/125137-alcohol-tincture-11.html
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MatanuskaValley
Well-Known Member
I live in an apartment unfortunately, I just need to perfect this method..
"I just want one recipe for tincture that works. I don't want a bunch of peoples variances and ideas."
Honey Oil Tincture: My recipe. Idiot proof and guaranteed potent - if the bud is potent and extraction done properly which is not hard. The potency of the bud is up to you.
There's a bunch of stuff in this thread but it's scattered. I'll make a new thread with a pictorial using a variety of solvents (alcohol, glycerin, grape seed oil) and strains, then post reviews by the med patients I supply.
I'll design some plug 'n play Butane Honey Oil Extractors for small weights, My first gizmo did about 4 grams. Starting out the Honey Bee is fine for growers, a 1/2" copper plumbing pipe much better.
Matanuska if that's sounds like what you need I'll do the thread.
Starts on post #106 of this page.
https://www.rollitup.org/cooking-cannabis/125137-alcohol-tincture-11.html
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Does it matter how the keif is arranged on the foil for baking?
So if I baked at 325 F for 4-5 minutes that is not what you do perhaps that is the problem?
MatanuskaValley
Well-Known Member
this says to bake at 325 for 4-5 minutes. Is there a way that makes it turn out better?
That 5hit
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That 5hit
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MatanuskaValley i dont think you are letting the weed sit in the alchohol long enuff this is a step most under do
there is no over soaking
originally tincture were made over months of time
the heated method speeds this up
another step that is over looked is squeezing the material out
there is no over soaking
originally tincture were made over months of time
the heated method speeds this up
another step that is over looked is squeezing the material out
Hobbes
Well-Known Member
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Baking the bud decarboxylizes the THCA and turns it into psycoactive THC.
I find 325F too close to vaporization, I use 106C for a while longer - 5 to 10 minutes after the bud is completely dry.
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"Is there a way that makes it turn out better?"
Than baking or that recipe for potency?
Baking is about the best way to quick cure fresh bud and trim, just take a little longer and keep the temperature lower.
"I live in an apartment unfortunately"
You can still make Honey Oil Tincture by using an alcohol extraction rather than Butane. Building an alcohol reflux extractor is simple and you can do it in your kitchen or your living room. Possibly with cook ware you have around the house.
https://www.rollitup.org/cooking-cannabis/285016-diy-crock-pot-alcohol-reflux.html
My problem with most of these recipes are that they take so long to extract the resin that you don't know what your tincture is going to be like, except it's going to taste awful regardless of the potency. With Honey Oil Tincture I can go from trim to tincture in an hour (if my trim is prebaked). And I know I can make the most potent tincture possible with my bud, because I can saturate the solvent.
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Baking the bud decarboxylizes the THCA and turns it into psycoactive THC.
I find 325F too close to vaporization, I use 106C for a while longer - 5 to 10 minutes after the bud is completely dry.
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"Is there a way that makes it turn out better?"
Than baking or that recipe for potency?
Baking is about the best way to quick cure fresh bud and trim, just take a little longer and keep the temperature lower.
"I live in an apartment unfortunately"
You can still make Honey Oil Tincture by using an alcohol extraction rather than Butane. Building an alcohol reflux extractor is simple and you can do it in your kitchen or your living room. Possibly with cook ware you have around the house.
https://www.rollitup.org/cooking-cannabis/285016-diy-crock-pot-alcohol-reflux.html
My problem with most of these recipes are that they take so long to extract the resin that you don't know what your tincture is going to be like, except it's going to taste awful regardless of the potency. With Honey Oil Tincture I can go from trim to tincture in an hour (if my trim is prebaked). And I know I can make the most potent tincture possible with my bud, because I can saturate the solvent.
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MatanuskaValley
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I took my left over minty weed and shook it in a jar with 99% isopropyl alcohol for 30 seconds then strained and vaped off the alcohol. Then I added the mint alcohol to absorb the oil..
Baking the bud decarboxylizes the THCA and turns it into psycoactive THC.
I find 325F too close to vaporization, I use 106C for a while longer - 5 to 10 minutes after the bud is completely dry.
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"Is there a way that makes it turn out better?"
Than baking or that recipe for potency?
Baking is about the best way to quick cure fresh bud and trim, just take a little longer and keep the temperature lower.
"I live in an apartment unfortunately"
You can still make Honey Oil Tincture by using an alcohol extraction rather than Butane. Building an alcohol reflux extractor is simple and you can do it in your kitchen or your living room. Possibly with cook ware you have around the house.
https://www.rollitup.org/cooking-cannabis/285016-diy-crock-pot-alcohol-reflux.html
My problem with most of these recipes are that they take so long to extract the resin that you don't know what your tincture is going to be like, except it's going to taste awful regardless of the potency. With Honey Oil Tincture I can go from trim to tincture in an hour (if my trim is prebaked). And I know I can make the most potent tincture possible with my bud, because I can saturate the solvent.
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The shit works now!