All I want are some "Fucking Incredible" seeds...

No super thrive or anything like that around here...
I did see that they did have 2 little bottles of rooting gel at the home hardware up the road though.
I will pick them both up if they are still there. I will use it for when I try my luck at cloning,,, but would putting any of that in water be good do you think?
Hopefully I will get a seed or two popping in the next day or two though...

what u mean ur going to mix cloning gel with water and water your plant with it? i think thats dum man and you can clone with just water plastic wrap and a black cup also just look into what hydrogen peroxide does for plants if you at all worried about its roots personaly i think it will be fine

good fucking luck on some new one popping up!!! i found out i have a phospherous lock out but im dealing with it and my gal seams to be doing good

*I did not say I was going to mix rooting gel and water and use it. I asked whether or not that would be advisable... Relax m8!
It is still growing, so I to am beginning to believe that it may survive just fine. Maybe the repercussions will not necessarily be felt until later on in the grow, I don't know.
On another note. Another seed has germinated and is above the soil. It should be exposing green to the lights by the end of the night. This seed took only about 75 hours to break ground. It was not soaked for any period of time. Simply placed in a 4 inch moist pot topped with cling wrap with a few holes poked in it. Also, this batch of seeds was placed on top of my lights for warmth rather than under them.. Hopefully the other four will come over night,,, or within the next few days...

lol ok well i would not advise it congratz on the new seedling thats crazy only like 3 days for the seed to pop without being pre soaked sometimes mine take 4 days even tho theyve been previously germinated in vermiculite or papper towel

Yeah, now I don't know if it is me, or if it is the seeds... Like I said, the person who gave them to me defiantly took the best ones for himself, so maybe it is lucky that I have got any of them to germinate. Still no action with the other four. Today will be day 6 for one, and day 5 for the 3 others. I am really hoping for one or two more, but I do not have a good feeling.
I was thinking though... IF this sole remaining FI plant just happens to be a female... I could clone it, make some colloidal silver and spray one of the clones and have it pollinate the others. If I understand it right, doing it that way will lower the chance of hermie showing up, as opposed to selfing. Do I understand that right? Hermie'ing a plant and self pollinating means that the mother aka father being both hemies would pass on a more dominant hermie gene. But hermie'ing a clone, and using that pollen to pollinate on another clone, would be less likley to pass on a dominant hermie gene. Is that right? That is now the only way to get more FI seeds and is being considered. As long as they are not both male, I think I could still make a positive out of all this.
We will see.

Just in case, so that I am ready if need be, I just purchased 2 x .999 pure silver 5 grain bars. I can't afford to wait for it if I need it.
Just a few questions for anyone that is listening...

To make the colloidal silver, they say to use distilled water. Is RO water sufficient for this process?
Answer. "You may use tap water ONLY if you are going to use the colloidal silver for EXTERNAL purposes. It is 10 times easier to use tap water than distilled water because it allows electrical currents to flow much, much better than distilled water. However, such colloidal silver should only be used for external purposes."
http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer02/CSilver.html
So, distilled water is used mainly because CS is used for human consumption, but tap water or RO water would be fine for this purpose?

And they say to make the solution a minimum of 30ppm.
Any idea what would be too high ppm?
And can I check the ppm with my digital ppm meter? I mean, will the silver damage it in any way?

How long will this solution last in the bottle if stored in a cool dark place ?

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Even if you do get a male, would it be an option to gather some pollen, and maybe your friend will pollinate a branch or two of his best girl? That would provide you both with a good supply of seeds.


RO should be fine, tap may be fine also. its just being sprayed on a plant. not being consumed by a human.
I have no idea about the ppm meter q's

The solution is basically just dissolved silver, it shouldnt go bad. Dont quote me on that im not a dr.

No buddy's growing, and if I understand it right, saved pollen is only really good for a month or so. So saving it for the next crop is out also.
Were you yessing about the hermie genes questions? Meaning that that assumption is correct?
I did see another video that they checked the ppm with a digi ppm meter while the power was on. So my worries about damaging the meter are gone.
Also the solution should have a fairly long shelf life considering they sell it in the drug stores (in less ppm than we need). But the silver reacts with light, so keeping it in a dark place is a must. A brown glass bottle is preferred.

The unknown seedling is doing great, and the FI is doing great too.
I am transitioning into "Mommy" mode. The first clones should be cut at the same time as I "top" the plant. If all goes well, I should get 3 - 5 clones to root and flower. Then we can find out if the FI is male or female.
If they are both female, they will both be mommy's. If they are both male, FUCK.

Sorry for answering my own questions, just in case anyone else was wondering.

originally posted by bricktop in a diff thread. I saved it for reference. this may help you.

https://www.rollitup.org/blogs/blog15927-seeds-female-plants.html

Yup, read that. I just basically google search and read everything. That way I can make an informed decision about what information is most likely good, and which is not.
FI is doing really well. The first few nodes were not in pairs, but it has evened out now. I am now able to see what will be my secondary tops, and the primary tip will be topped from just above this node when the time comes. I am intending at that point to remove all the vegetation below what I want as my secondary shoots, and to cover the stem with soil up to just under that point.
I should get 3 or more trimmings at that point that I will try to root and sex. If it is a female I will just mother her and flower her clones mini SOG style. 10 or so at a time would be perfect I think.
The unknown seedling is also doing very well. It is in its final square pot and growing quickly. I hope the unknown is a male, and the FI is a female. That way I can get some non fem'd FI mix seeds, and also some fem'd FI seeds. We'll see!

Both plants are still growing well. I have begun to LST the FI plant. I think I am going to have it grow the length of my box (4 feet) and not "top" it. I will just wait until there are a few good tops to try and clone. And I will probably do the same with the Unknown plant. I am still slowly building a small SOG flowering box. I can easily fit 18, maybe 21, 2 liter plastic pop bottles inside. I still need to paint the inside white, buy the 2 biggest flowering CFL's I can find, and get prepared for the cloning process. I have 3 PC fans exhausting this box which is slightly less then 10 cubic feet, and I will drill holes strategically in the floor which I hope will be sufficient to mix up the CO2 that I will generate in one DIY way or another. I think it will actually be a pretty cool little flower box.
Also, resulting from a short power outage this afternoon. I have begun a 19 on - 5 off light schedule for the vegging to be mommy's.

that sounds like a awesome little box man and things are starting to pick up now good luck on the cloning and sog box! i would do a longer message but i hsppend to do lots of benadryl and im goin to pass out haha let me know what and where u get ur flowering cfls cuz im loking for some good ones also where can i pick up t5 bulbs? i can only find t12

Sativus said:

No buddy's growing, and if I understand it right, saved pollen is only really good for a month or so. So saving it for the next crop is out also.

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From experience with other plants:

As long as you keep everything pretty sterile during collection, and screen your pollen really well (no plant matter in it, etc.), it should last for a few months in the freezer. Heat and humidity are what destroy pollen.

This can lower it's viability slightly, so it's best not to do this any more often than you have to.

Yeah, a couple of months in the freezer I heard too. But even at that, the timing would be tight.
I am intending to take the "tops" from the very bottom of the plant and try to clone them to sex the plant.
I think if I wait another week or two, I will have 4 descent candidates to try and clone. But I read that the bottom branches are generally the most difficult to root because that have stored energy and food more so than the higher branches. I hope something takes. I think I will put them in peat pellets in a dome on top of perlite, but I have read that instead of using a dome, you could mist them daily instead. Several times a day I would assume, at least 2 or 3. I don't even know if I can keep it warm enough down there throughout the winter to keep them alive.
But, for now, they are growing well.

Ok. I have just cut and planted four clones from the FI plant. They are in the new little box I made and that I will post some pics of as soon as the clones perk up.
I used some rooting gel, and I planted them in nute free soil in small 4 inch pots and I covered them with clear plastic cups with several holes drilled in them.
The box currently has 4 clf's hanging from a home made reflector. They are 32 watt I think, pushing 1950 lumens each. Should be good for this experiment.
The FI "mother" is doing well. I have been training it to grow sideways and have about 3 and a half feet to use. And the unknown plant is also growing well. Have not taken any cuttings from it yet. Will be another 2 weeks before more cuttings are ready to be taken. At which point, 5 more should be ready. 2 FI and 3 unknown.
However, If these 4 FI clones take then I wont have any need for more clones for at least 10 weeks. At which time I should have many tops ready to be taken from both plants to fill the box for a SOG flower test. I think the new box will end up being my seedling/cloning box in the spring. I have obtained another box that would be great for keeping a mother, which means that next spring after this test grow, I could use my original box as my flower box and upgrade the lighting and sog or scrog in there, use my new box for cloning from the mother in the mothers veg box.
But back to this grow. I am very hopeful that the new cuttings will be standing tall by tomorrow evening. I could be within 4 weeks of knowing whether the FI is a male or a female! I can't wait!

From what I've read and seen males tend to develop faster than females. If you've started them at the same time you may have to harvest the pollen and save it aside for pollination when the girls are ready. If that happens you can collect it in brown paper bags and place in the freezer while you wait. Also, you don't need to pollinate the whole plant although it seems that's what you want. You can tie the bag with pollen over a specific branch and shake it to get the pollen on the pistils then wait a few days to take it off. Then you'll have a pollinated branch but the rest will be unpollinated (unless some pollen floats to adjacent branches).

No, the Unknown strain seedling was started atleast 2 weeks after the FI seedling, so it is expected that it is not as developed. Indeed, I want to pollinate everything possible.
The cuttings I took are as of this morning standing upright. I will mist the inside of the cups every 12 hours, and I will leave them off a little longer every day for a few days. Hopefully, considering their "mothers" ability to survive with no roots at all, they will survive.
I'll take a few pics later today after the lights come back on. They are on a 19/5 just like their "mother".

I did the same to my Pineapple Express a month ago it's a foot and a half tall now. Don't sweat it.

Ok Here are some pics finally!

First off, Ill show you some pics of the four cuttings I took.







The rooting gel I used.



And here it what they are growing in.







Here is the unknown strain "Mother".



And here is the FI "Mother".



The cuttings are yellowing, but 3 still look fair. There is one that has not looked well since I cut it, but if I can get 3 to flower, I would be exstatic.
As you can see, I am using clear plastic cups as domes with small holes in them. Within an hour of taking the clones from the mother, they were all on their sides. I put the cups on them, and by morning they were all upright. I have misted them gently 2-3 times a day and have been removing the cups for a minute or two while I am down there a few times a day. When the lights come on at 5pm today, they will be beginning their 3rd light on session since being planted. They are in organic seedling/cutting soil with no nutes labeled on the bag, and they are beginning to yellow.
I am slightly concerned with the yellowing. I have heard its good meaning the plant is looking for energy which will be good, but should I supplement them with something to prevent a deficiency, or is the deficiency itself beneficial to root stimulation?

Next, while I wait for more clones to be ready, I will make my collidial silver.

I have this adapter that I think will be good. I can start on the 9 volt setting and work my way down as my ppms rise to help reduce the size of the silver particles.



I think the holes will be perfect to stick the silver wires into. No need for clips, and they will stay at whatever distance apart I set them.
So, I will try this one first.

On another note, my bubble bags and pressing screen came yesterday! No more coffee filters and ladies stockings for me!!!

That's it for now. Any comments are much appreciated.

The clones are very yellow. I removed the plastic cups and am now instead using a thicker plastic shelf drawer as a makeshift dome.
The plants medium is not dry, the humidity and temp inside the cups would have been rather high and there was no shortness of light. So, with the drawer instead of the cups, I increase the airflow reducing the heat (which is about 25 in the box) and I also reduce the light with the thicker plastic and I also put a small square piece of board over most of the plastic drawer to lower the lighting being received by the plants. Too much light I think was my main issue. The plants have not fallen over all night, so the humidity under there should be ok. I believe I have everything checked except any nutes I should be giving. I used rooting gel, and I planted in organic seeding mix. Should I give them any nutes at all at this stage? I thought not... Maybe I should mist them with a weak solution,,, any thoughts?

Edit: Colloidal Silver is cooking.
Edit 2: The adjustable adapter I have is no good. I recall it not working properly the last time it was used. Now, I am using a 12 volt adapter. The process has been running for 1 hour now and the ppm has risen by 5. I used distilled water, but still by the time I got it into my glass jar, it was reading 2 ppm. Anyways, the process is working. After dinner I will check it again to clean the wires and stir it up a bit.
Edit 3: The process has been running for about 5 hours now (I didn't run it overnight). Every hour of run time I stir the water and clean the silver. I am now at 20 ppm.
There is some small contamination from not being careful enough when removing the silver for cleaning. The gunk that gets wiped off dripped off a little giving me a few small globs of whatever in the bottom of the mixing jar. Once I reach a ppm of 25-35 (hopefully 30 right on), I will pour the water through a coffee filter which will remove pretty much everything that I don't want in there (including suspended silver larger than 15-20 microns (the average size of paper coffee filter)). I will be happy if the end result is in the 25-35 ppm range < 20 microns. The water is still clear, not cloudy. But it does have a slight tinge to it. I think the process is going perfectly. Now all I need are some female clone to test it on...
Edit 4: 8 hours or so now. ppm is at 25. Water is beginning to darken, but is still clear. About another hour or two and I think it will be complete. Hopefully in another week or two, I can flower any of the clones I took that survived.