All the current or soon to be current laws. Whats new with weed in CO?

Discussion in 'Colorado Patients' started by dabumps, Apr 19, 2013.

  1.  
    dabumps

    dabumps Well-Known Member

    Also, the wife and I (I know you've heard it 1000 times) are planning a move. 1) Currently in an illegal state and 2) I would like to supplement my income. I'm a professional in a line of work that it is available pretty much everywhere and not too hard (with my credentials) to get a job. I don't want this to be my primary income so what is the scene like there? Is it like California where almost every single person you run into smokes or is like where I am which is super conservative and the only people that smoke are mostly people you don't want on your side of an argument. I'm not lookin' to cash in on any "green rush" I just would like to pay the power bills... Basically how hard would it be to get a decent network of people that are willing to buy out the back door if you will...
     
  2.  
    Fenian Brotherhood

    Fenian Brotherhood Well-Known Member

    Don't grow weed and you won't have a power bill.
     
    mikek420 likes this.
  3.  
    TruenoAE86coupe

    TruenoAE86coupe Moderator

    You worded this much better than 99% of the people who come in here an ask this same question, i am going to make this a sticky for a while if you don't mind.
    Anyhow over a million people in this state voted for Amendment 64, so i think there is a lot more closet tokers than even i assumed. However Amendment 64 gave every person over 21 the right to grow their own (3/3).
    We are of course flooded right now with no sight of that slowing down, ozs go for $200 or less, even top shelf. Craigslist is full of people trying to do the same thing as you are talking about and sell it even though that is not legal. And there have been arrests, and there will be more.
    This is not like most places, you will find plenty of people who smoke, and are great people, but most of them have their own or their own connection.
    Could you pay your power bill? Probably. Could you sell for much more where your at than here? Definitely. Is it legal to come here and do this? No.
    Do we want you here? Sure, the more the merrier, but we worked long and hard to get things to the point they are now, where you can grow your own legally. And we aren't real thrilled about a bunch of out of staters coming here and trying to undermine the laws to make a buck.
    Thanks for your inquiry, but if you plan to break the law, why not do it somewhere that you can actually profit?
     
    borbor, vro, spl1 and 1 other person like this.
  4.  
    TruenoAE86coupe

    TruenoAE86coupe Moderator

    Unless of course you want, you know power......
    My electric bill hit $500 (in one month) before i was ever even growing, brought it down below that with a 2kw flower room and a 432w veg.
     
  5.  
    dabumps

    dabumps Well-Known Member

    Though breaking the law did seem to be my intent I would MUCH prefer I didn't have to. Maybe go the caregiver route. IDK in all reality I would like to go to a place where I don't sweat bullets every day just to grow my own stash. The pay the power bill part is to keep the wife in favor of the whole thing... To keep her believing that growing is better than buying... If it were fairly easy to get just enough to pay the power (as I am here, but with far less risk) legitimately and with compliance to the state laws I would do so. I would also be willing to work for it if it wasn't some money sink/ incredibly lengthy and strenuous process.

    I don't at all hope to come to CO and make it a worse place. I've had an interest in that state ever since I was a kid, actually.
     
    mikek420 likes this.
  6.  
    TruenoAE86coupe

    TruenoAE86coupe Moderator

    Even here with the super low prices it is still cheaper to grow your own. Buy an oz here and there and she will see how much you really do save.
    Caregiver is always an option, you can have up to 5 patients, and if you got decent patients you could easily pay for everything with that. Law on that states that you can't charge more than it cost you to grow, and you must provide services other than growing for your patients. You can imagine how much either of those things actually happen though.
    Didn't mean to single you out, like i said i am making a sticky of this so anyone asking this same question i can just point here. It is a great state and the fact that you could grow 12 plants (with 6 or less flowering assuming you and the wife are over 21) "legally" without having to deal with a medical card is a great benefit.
    Jobs here aren't any better than anywhere else though, cost of living is moderately high it seems (been here my whole life, hard to really gauge) and unemployment is equal to the majority of the country. We were leading the nation in foreclosures for a bit, has lead to a shortage of rentals.
     
    BM9AGS likes this.
  7.  
    dabumps

    dabumps Well-Known Member

    Is it the same story outside of major cities? How much does it drop? Sorry for the 21 questions. But I figured I would ask this I'm just looking for a reasonable place to have a family and pursue my interests at the same time.
     
  8.  
    TruenoAE86coupe

    TruenoAE86coupe Moderator

    There are certainly less expensive areas, really depends on what you are used to, Alabama and New York have completely different costs of living for example. Craigslist is always a great place to go look and see what you can find price range in what you are looking for. We can help advise on what areas to stay away from, what areas are too far out to really have a market for most jobs, etc. I don't make much money but we manage. I bought my house for right about 100k, and i know there are still places in the area going for around the same price, although they are getting snagged up pretty quick.
     
  9.  
    Fenian Brotherhood

    Fenian Brotherhood Well-Known Member

    I would look into leasing before you go out and buy.

    1) You may not like the area
    2) IF you get busted the house isn't in your name
    3) Your Landlord Might except weed for rent


    *Shrubs
    Just mind storming here
     
  10.  
    zubey91

    zubey91 Well-Known Member

    Denver is much cheaper then Boulder .you ll save alot of money just from the price difference from weed prices here compared to where you are
     
    Jp.the.pope likes this.
  11.  
    Osburn

    Osburn Active Member

    I just skimmed over HB 1317 and HB 1318 and they don't look that bad at first glance. I'll completely read them tomorrow morning with some strong coffee. I really like that there is no 70/30 rule and that out-of-staters can shop at the 64 stores. A 15% excise tax and 10% sales tax isn't really that bad especially when you compare it to the taxes on tobacco and the taxes that Washington state will levy on legal weed. And 64 stores can avoid that 15% excise tax if they grow enough to supply their own demand, which we know won't always happen and that's where my pipe dream comes into play. I'd like to get a license for a "retail marijuana cultivation facility" so I can have a small to medium-sized grow op that pumps out better nugs than the warehouse grows. These bills made that pipe dream more of a reality. Now it's time to wait and see if my brother's rich friends come through with the start-up cash.
     
  12.  
    BadAndy

    BadAndy Well-Known Member

    I posted this in another thread but seems like this is a good post here also:
    Dear Friends,

    Since my last email, there have been a few changes to HB-1317, the bill which regulates retail marijuana businesses. The bill has now passed both the House and Senate and is on the Governor’s desk for his signature. Once that is completed, the bill will become a law (those of you familiar with School House Rock already know that!). The changes include:

    1. There will be a 9 month waiting period for new businesses, instead of 90 days. If you do not already own a MMJ business, you will be able to apply on 9/1/14. Prospective business owners can file a notice of intent to own a MJ business after 1/1/14 and must provide a deposit that will be applied to the application fee. The deposit amount is not specified.
    2. The bill expressly outlaws the “collective model” and requires that any sale or other distribution of MJ be done only by a licensed MJ business.
    3. The MED is required to implement a “seed to sale” tracking system for all MJ sold. This idea was previously shelved by MED.
    4. No delivery of MJ.
    5. There is a THC content limit for edible MIP products.
    There are two other bills that were passed, HB-1318 and SB-283. Here 5 things you should know about each of them.

    HB-1318, “the tax bill”:

    1. There is a 15% excise tax that will be assessed for wholesale sales of MJ to Retail Marijuana Centers (RMC).
    2. The excise tax will be based on an average market price established by the State. The tax must be collected by the wholesaler and a report for such sales filed once a month.
    3. The excise tax will apply to the transfer of MJ from the grow to the retail center even if the business owns both the grow and retail center.
    4. There is a 10% State sales tax for MJ sold by the RMC. This can be raised to 15% without voter approval.
    5. The sales tax will be shared with local governments, but local governments are also permitted to impose additional local taxes.
    SB-283, the miscellaneous bill:

    1. Local governments may ban the use of butane and compressed gas for use in extraction.
    2. The bill creates a responsible vendor program that will require training. There will be created a “certified trainer” and all vendors must be certified.
    3. Marijuana business contracts shall not be void despite the federal argument that all such businesses and their contracts are illegal.
    4. There will be no exception to the state smoking laws that will permit a private club or other such business to permit MJ use.
    5. No open containers of MJ in vehicles. The MJ must be in an unopened, sealed container or be placed in the trunk of your car.
     
    M1dAmber likes this.
  13.  
    420circuit

    420circuit Active Member

    These bills have quite a few restrictions that will be controversial and seem overly intrusive. Maybe I need some anger management, but this makes me mad. Looks like there are some people in Denver who feel that it is incumbent upon them to stop people from doing things and tax anyone who does anything. Taxing from my grow op to my store doesn't make any sense at all. Does that mean if I grow in the back room and carry it to the counter I have to pay a tax along the way? And if I used some medicine and then take the opened bottle to work, it's illegal unless I put it in the trunk? Too intrusive, wish I had a representative in government. Smoking clubs, Hell yeah they should be legal, "like alcohol" means there will be bars for the express purpose of smoking.
     
  14.  
    420circuit

    420circuit Active Member

  15.  
    420circuit

    420circuit Active Member

    I went to the meeting/seminar in Fort Collins and got to ask a couple questions. The guys speaking were the authors of 64 along with a rep from the union (UFCW Local 7) that helped repeal the dispensary ban in that city. The union rep made a case for unionizing dispensaries and he pointed out that government will be less likely to attempt to over regulate or drive cannabis businesses out if there is a union involved. Especially the feds.

    Someone asked if your 6 allowed medical plants are in addition to your 6 rec plants and they both shrugged their shoulders and said I guess so, sounds good to me, so yeah. But they also said that the law is not clear on this yet, so it is a risk.

    I asked if 64 covered assigning your 6 plants to someone else to grow and they both did the same thing, shrugged, yeah, sounds good and Brian started to explain how a sort of co-op agreement could be drawn up, but then said the law is not clear on this yet, but it makes sense to allow it.

    The DUID law was discussed, 5 nanos was described as the couple hours after medicating, but many patients will have that amount in their blood at all times and not be impaired. They suggested that a driver should never consent to a field sobriety test, but did not offer advice on the blood test. An audience member said you should request a DRE do the test in order to give your system time to process some of the THC. Apparently the test is for active THC, something different from the 'other kind'. If it came down to a court case you have a better chance of defending yourself if you have a medical card, so they both suggesting keeping it.

    Open container carry in a car was discussed, they advised that you should secure your meds away from the passenger compartment in case you get pulled over. They also commented on how whacked this rule is, but we are stuck with it.

    Was great to meet these guys, they are doing the work in Denver that keeps the wolves from shredding our rights and everyone there was supportive. The guv signs a bunch of laws into effect on Monday and they suggested that anyone who can attend to do so as it helps to show up. They also said to be sure to participate in any email campaigns as that is what stopped the recent attempted threat to repeal 64. http://sensiblecolorado.org/
     
  16.  
    Osburn

    Osburn Active Member

    I can't think of a better way to kill a new industry than getting a labor union involved. The government has already regulated the hell out of the new industry at a time when the wholesale price of a legal pound is dropping like a rock. And it's bad enough that we're still operating in a grey area where the DEA could kick down the door at any time. Combine that with government over-regulation and greedy labor unions, and I think most sane entrepreneurs who actually want to make money would avoid this new industry like the plague. The cannabis industry isn't some golden goose that can keep laying eggs. At some point, people will say screw it and go back to the black market. Labor Unions + Government Regulation = Thriving Black Market.
     
  17.  
    420circuit

    420circuit Active Member

    The union guy made a surprisingly compelling case for unionization. What he put out there was the fact that this union is an advocate in the political world, they go to the meetings in Denver and try to keep the politicians out of the business of the dispensaries and growers. He explained that there is less chance for a repeal attempt of of a community trying to ban dispensaries when they know the union will oppose them. He took credit for the repeal being overturned in Fort Collins, explaining how many boots they had on the ground getting petitions signed and getting out the vote. I was surprised to see him at the seminar and even more surprised that I found myself nodding along as he explained how the union is good for the industry. Most folks there just tolerated his presentation, you could sense they are not wanting their staff to be union members. If it happens it is not all bad, there are some good ideas, especially with regards the feds and the fact that unions support this administration and they have leverage as a result.
     
  18.  
    Chronic Masterbator

    Chronic Masterbator Well-Known Member

    I have been thinking about moving to Colorado cause the cannabis scene is soooo different. Then there is the chance to get bomb genetics.
     
  19.  
    420circuit

    420circuit Active Member

    CM, you should have other reasons to move to CO, the whole cannabis thing is not really that apparent, it is just a nice addition to the rest of what is here. There is crap too. I would think that work and family should be primary motivators, not the sideshow of weed rules. You can get seeds shipped almost anywhere. But good luck with your decisions whatever you decide, to quote the Grateful Dead, "You pick a place to go..."
     
  20.  
    Chronic Masterbator

    Chronic Masterbator Well-Known Member

    420circut Your right but come on Colorado is beautiful. A state where you can see all 4 seasons. Has famous state parks. But I might hold of though. Florida I think will join the legal bandwagon soon.
     

Share This Page