Am I bailing out a sinking ship ??

tom slick

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Alright first lemme tell u what's up. 400 watt hid air cooled hood with 6 in exhaust fan set on a titan temp controler. I'm growing in coco loco a coco coir soil mix diluted with extra perilite. I am using go hydro organic go box for nutes in 4 gallon pots and it's a 2 plant grow, in a loght proofed closet. It's also am 11 week flower species.

Ok. So my plant stopped growing at week 4or 5 of flower and I'm at the beginning of week 7. Its just stalled. It has nice flowers on it but I grew same plants last time and they were twice the size in height and volume by now.

What I'm seeing is all sorts of signals fungus gnats but no larva in soil, used potatoes and a 45x magnifier to check. I also made sure they went root aphids. The plant is showing top fan leaves and sugar leaves yellowed almost white at one point. Some fan leaves fell off, some are yellow, some have curled up tips, some are yellow with green veins, and some of the stems have dark stripes, some are turning red... I have researched these symptoms and there's no clear answer... also my fan leaves are erect better than 45 degree angle to kola and leaves are also sticking straight up on a positive note the flowers have strong looking pistols nice and white and good tricome for this point.

I've checked for root rot, bugs, and all that stuff. At one point these bitches stopped taking up water and I had to wait 7 to 9days for medium to dry with no showing of over or under watering. And today I pulled the plant to look at root ball. Medium stayed together well but there wasn't a lot of roots in bottom of pot, just thin white wispy ones. No stink no bugs btw.

Where I know I messed up. I went from seedling to final pot at beginning of veg, think 16 oz to 4 gallon, I know better know. I also over watered the entire time, never let pot dry completly out because this is my second grow and I am an EXPERT and I know better than what worked well the first go round meaning wet dry cycle. I also got careless with my nutes over feeding (too much nutes for the 1.5 gallon water pot) with organics and topped it with "big bud" Chem to help drive it a little.

Things i did well (in my opinion) I always feed every other water period and water till I get run off. The lights are always 10 to 14 in away from topz the temp is 75 during day and 65 at night under hps 12/12 and during veg was 18/6 with mh. I did leave mh in for first week of flower cause these ladies stretched like crazy the first time.


I'm not sure whether these seeds, which are from a stressed plant during first grow, are runts and will finish early?. Did I over water and over pot to big and stop root growth limiting my plants potential? Did I just nute burn, did I created a lock out. Did my roots fry?

I have noticed there is some more green than a week ago after hitting with just water, but those are shoots that are also not in direct light again a foot away min these were more like 2 feet away and tucked in a corner.


My question is should I invest in more loot in "potions" from the local shop or just let them take course and germ some new seeds with my knowledge of how much I messed this up

I ll try to upload pics but have had trouble in the past. And thanks for looking at this in advance I know it's a mouthful .
 

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tom slick

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Seems to look quite a bit better after 2 straight watering sessions and I watered 3 days ago and needs water or nutes tonight. so it seems to be taking up water again. I'm 5 weeks away from projected finish but I did notice a few pistols turn brown and shrink into kola.

Again am I bailing out a sinking ship by dumping more money into a not for profit grow, or should I just let it do its thing and start fresh and not rush things. I've been through 2 month veg (afer uncle Bens topping method which is awesome) and 7 weeks (of an 11 week flower) in flower if u count the 2 week stall
 

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rob333

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Alright first lemme tell u what's up. 400 watt hid air cooled hood with 6 in exhaust fan set on a titan temp controler. I'm growing in coco loco a coco coir soil mix diluted with extra perilite. I am using go hydro organic go box for nutes in 4 gallon pots and it's a 2 plant grow, in a loght proofed closet. It's also am 11 week flower species.

Ok. So my plant stopped growing at week 4or 5 of flower and I'm at the beginning of week 7. Its just stalled. It has nice flowers on it but I grew same plants last time and they were twice the size in height and volume by now.

What I'm seeing is all sorts of signals fungus gnats but no larva in soil, used potatoes and a 45x magnifier to check. I also made sure they went root aphids. The plant is showing top fan leaves and sugar leaves yellowed almost white at one point. Some fan leaves fell off, some are yellow, some have curled up tips, some are yellow with green veins, and some of the stems have dark stripes, some are turning red... I have researched these symptoms and there's no clear answer... also my fan leaves are erect better than 45 degree angle to kola and leaves are also sticking straight up on a positive note the flowers have strong looking pistols nice and white and good tricome for this point.

I've checked for root rot, bugs, and all that stuff. At one point these bitches stopped taking up water and I had to wait 7 to 9days for medium to dry with no showing of over or under watering. And today I pulled the plant to look at root ball. Medium stayed together well but there wasn't a lot of roots in bottom of pot, just thin white wispy ones. No stink no bugs btw.

Where I know I messed up. I went from seedling to final pot at beginning of veg, think 16 oz to 4 gallon, I know better know. I also over watered the entire time, never let pot dry completly out because this is my second grow and I am an EXPERT and I know better than what worked well the first go round meaning wet dry cycle. I also got careless with my nutes over feeding (too much nutes for the 1.5 gallon water pot) with organics and topped it with "big bud" Chem to help drive it a little.

Things i did well (in my opinion) I always feed every other water period and water till I get run off. The lights are always 10 to 14 in away from topz the temp is 75 during day and 65 at night under hps 12/12 and during veg was 18/6 with mh. I did leave mh in for first week of flower cause these ladies stretched like crazy the first time.


I'm not sure whether these seeds, which are from a stressed plant during first grow, are runts and will finish early?. Did I over water and over pot to big and stop root growth limiting my plants potential? Did I just nute burn, did I created a lock out. Did my roots fry?

I have noticed there is some more green than a week ago after hitting with just water, but those are shoots that are also not in direct light again a foot away min these were more like 2 feet away and tucked in a corner.


My question is should I invest in more loot in "potions" from the local shop or just let them take course and germ some new seeds with my knowledge of how much I messed this up

I ll try to upload pics but have had trouble in the past. And thanks for looking at this in advance I know it's a mouthful .
jesus i hate reading novels
 

tom slick

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Not as much as I hate wrighting them... lol. There's just so much going on I couldn't shorten it without cutting out observations. Sorry bro just wanted to cover all bases with limited follow up questions thanx
 

*BUDS

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Ok i can see the new pics and its nute/salt burn. Try a better medium next time and dont let the pots dry too much this causes salt burn as roots are in the dry salty medium with no water. Nothing you can do now just remember in future. Its very hard to overwater a healthy vigorous plant but easy to overwater a plant with issues.
 

Alexander Supertramp

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They are severely N deficient. My guess is a high P and K flower diet. Not much you can do at this point but finish them as they are. Next grow remember that they need a fair amount of N from start to finish. For veg a 3-1-2 ratio. For flower a 2-1-3 ratio. Coco and Peat based mediums do not require high P and K diets. Save all of those so called bloom boosters for your outdoor grows in native, mineralized soil.
 

nomofatum

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It's not a lost cause yet. The plant has multiple deficiencies, from what I can tell they look like deficiencies you would expect in a plant in too low of PH. I would feed a weak veg nutes to help uptake of N and other high PH nutes while at the same time correcting the PH by circulating the same water through and re-PHing the water between cycles.

You could have a plant that wants an abnormal PH. I had one that would not get happy until the PH was 7.1 or higher.

Raise your PH to correct levels, if already in normal range, rase by about half a PH point.
 

getdown76

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looks normal if your following your feeding schedule. there is supposed to be a lack of nitrogen at the end. is this your fist grow?
 

getdown76

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It's not a lost cause yet. The plant has multiple deficiencies, from what I can tell they look like deficiencies you would expect in a plant in too low of PH. I would feed a weak veg nutes to help uptake of N and other high PH nutes while at the same time correcting the PH by circulating the same water through and re-PHing the water between cycles.

You could have a plant that wants an abnormal PH. I had one that would not get happy until the PH was 7.1 or higher.

Raise your PH to correct levels, if already in normal range, rase by about half a PH point.
 
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