AMAZING growth pattern. mutant or pheno?

- Ok I am currently growing several different varieties. One of them is "Blackberry" from Vancouver Island Seed Bank (VISC). Out of all the different plants of all varieties, including it's own, this one individual plant just ROCKETED out of the ground, and untill about 2 and a half weeks ago was twice the size or more than ANY other plant in my indoor setup.

- Well, it started slowing down it's initial growth and many of the G13 Haze's have caught up in size. I think the reason for this was that, about 2 and a half weeks ago, it started showing an odd growth pattern. At each node, it started shooting out 3 branches instead of 2. there have been several new sets of nodes since then, and all of them but one have 3 branches at the node. even the one 2 branched site has 3 sets of leaves growing around the stalk at the node, so it still gives 3 bud sites even at the two branched node. Does anyone have experience with this happening before, with this strain or any other?

- As if this wasn't weird enough already, this same plant exhibits another strange characteristic. One of the branches coming off the first tri-node didn't become a fan leaf, instead becoming basically another top. It's node formation is even stranger than the main stalk though. kinda like one longer node that shoots out 3 branches about 1cm apart. So basically I have a plant growing 2 tops and 3 branches at basically every node instead of the usual two. CannaSeur coined the name "Tripod" for this lil' thing (not sexed yet, still vegging), and I give credit where credit is due.
This plant was not topped or anything, same conditions as every other plant, which are, for the most part, doing pretty good. There is a little nute burn on the tips of the lowest leaves, although I have fertilized literally only one time and it was way after this stuff started happening. Also, I over-watered a little bit when they were younger, this may be evident in some photos where you can see a little fan leaf distorsion. This problem was corrected upom transplanting into the larger (3 gal.) pots they are in now. Neither of these serve as plausible explanations for me, I think it is genetic.

- This plant is one of the best plants in my garden. It has actually grown alot since I took those pics just a couple days ago, i will update in my next post with newer pics. the g13 Hazes didn't seem too effected by the over-watering, but still only a couple of them are taller, though definitely not as bushy.

- I am trying to post some pictures with this message so people who know a thing or two can take a look-see and tell me what they think. I will obviously be cloning this baby, and pretty soon, too! Anyway I'm really hoping I post these pictures correctly, this will be a hard story to believe without pictures to back up the claims.

- Ok I'm having a hard time postimg pictures, so I'll work on that. It's saying a 'security token' is missing, and that I need to contact an admin? I was hoping it was gonna be easy, I'll get pics up here as soon as I can. any help with this would be appreciated also, I'm too stoned to deal with this right now...

- I think I may have some pictures of it in my 'album', not im my gallery tho. I'm really new here and I dont know how to do much, sorry.

this sounds extremly wierd.
are the shape of the leaves distorted (from more than just over watering) like do they looke wierd and mis-shapen?

I dont think it would be that odd for this to happen. Mutations are rampant in nature, its how the whole dance moves forward after all....I'd obviously try and get some seeds from this thing.

durbanpoison91 said:

this sounds extremly wierd.
are the shape of the leaves distorted (from more than just over watering) like do they looke wierd and mis-shapen?

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- The leaves are pretty normal in shape. there were a couple sets of nodes effected, and they are still pretty close to what a leaf should look like, just with funny edges. And actually, there were alot of plants that got hit way worse by the over-watering than this one. It came through better than any other plant of it's variety. So basically out of my 7 or 8 Blackberries, it would be the best one even if it didn't show these odd characteristics that could give it, potentially, 33% or more increase in the number of budding spots. Looks bushy as fuck too, gonna take new pictures today.

- I have pictures of this plant in the 'album' section of my profile, I hope you guys can view them there, because I'm having trouble posting pictures. I'll try again here and we'll see what happens, but If it still isn't able to, check my photo album... Not my 'gallery,' for some reason I cant figure out how to get any pictures there either. this is confusing to me, and I can't find any FAQs or guides relating to the IT aspect of this site, so if anyone can help me figure out how to do it, it would be greatly appreciated, and help people get a better idea of what I'm talking about here. heck, If ya help me I might throw some rep your way. I've contacted admin, but haven't heard back yet, so offer available for a limited time only

- yeah TMB I've seen you leave good advice on other threads. I know that mutants can happen and understand darwinism, but I'm wondering if this has happened to anyone else with the same strain (blackberry), possibly meaning this is a rare phenotype instead of just a random mutation), or with any other strain (perhaps meaning it is a mutatation that can happen sometimes to any cannabis plant) smf don't worry about the breeding, this plant is gonna get alot of action no matter which sex it turns out to be.

-On another note, I have spotted another mutant! This time a G13 Haze, also with a seemingly desireable characteristic. It has split at one of it's most recent nodes and is proceeding foreward as if I had topped it to create 2 colas. Same situation as before with the other mutant, they are being grown together in the same area. I don't live near radiation, plants actually do really good here and I'm not too far from a deciduous rainforest (non-tropical rainforest, they are even rarer than their tropical counterpart) All the new growth from all my plants looks to be coming in healthy since i fixed the over-watering, but it makes me wonder If some of my plants got zapped with gamma rays like the incredible hulk or something.

trying to post pictures

Ok folks, for some reason it finally worked. Anyway from left to right:
1) You can see one tri-node very clearly right below the one I'm holding out of the way. Branches from a tri-node below it are visible, fading into the shadows. The node being held up for the photo, I believe, only has 2 branches but still has 3 spots where new leaf growth is coming out. 2 more modes have come in since this pic was taken, both tri-nodes.
2) Pretty similar to picture #1, but a slightly different angle. You can see a couple sets of tri-nodes and thier new leaf growth.
3) Backed off a bit. You can still see trinodes, but also a little of the shape of the individual leaves and the plant.
4) This shot was with the MH off, tried to show both tops. One is (obvioisly) right on top, while the second is coming out of the middle of the plant right towards the camera.
5) MH off, shot the interiorby holding some fan leaves and other bushy growth out of the way. One top is visible right near the top edge of the photo, the other is lower and to the left of center. You can see some of the branch development on the one that has started growing like a top, but it's still young and small and harder to discern in picture form than in real life.

- Anyway let me know what you think. Did I post them correctly, and can you guys see them? I haven't been successful thus far, but I think I got it this time. If you can see them, let me know what you think. Knowledge from experienced growers is very welcome, but even that from amatures will be respected. I'm gonna try to hybridize this with a couple other varieties I have. If its something I could stabilize..... wow!

nice plant, looks nice and healthy. I'm not an experienced grower but i have seen this before a couple times and it would be interesting to see if those genetics carry on to the next generation. Now if you could find some male pollen from a triple noded plant and pollinate it, it will have a better % of offspring being triple noded as well. I have a plant right now with quadruple nodes but its not very healthy. I will be toping mine to get 4 main branches and hopefully its female.

I love tri-node plants! The only ones I've ever had all grew out of it thought

Anyone ever seen a tri-noded strain that grows true?

nepali grizzly said:

nice plant, looks nice and healthy. I'm not an experienced grower but i have seen this before a couple times and it would be interesting to see if those genetics carry on to the next generation. Now if you could find some male pollen from a triple noded plant and pollinate it, it will have a better % of offspring being triple noded as well. I have a plant right now with quadruple nodes but its not very healthy. I will be toping mine to get 4 main branches and hopefully its female.

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I'm not Incredibly experienced either. It's my first time doing it indoors. I've done it for a few years now outside and I haven't seen anything but 2 branches at each node. Sometimes I will top, but I always test a variety first by just topping a couple plants if I've never grown it before. Some varieties do not respond well to it, however with some strains, if you top 'em a couple times, you can get 4 main colas each as big as the one would have been if you hadn't topped.

I am primarily interested in seeing if I can get this trait to carry on to another generation. Griz, If i had another tripod plant I would actually be praying for it to go male, lol. Unfortunately this is the only one showing these characteristics. I do have a G13 Haze that randomly decided to turn it's main stalk into two, as If I had topped it. Only thing is, I did no such thing. It just randomly split and now I have 2 sets of nodes on it. If this mutant turns out to be a different sex than my tripod mutant, maybe I should breed the two mutants together. who knows what I'll get for growth pattern. It should turn out well for potency, they are both quality strains. Barneys G13 Haze won the HTCC last year, and came in second before that. Blackberry is a high yeilding, large budded indica with ALOT of purple coloration and good resin production. Beautiful plant. I think it would be a good match. Both of them have large main colas, and with hybrid vigor, who knows what the F1 seeds would give me? could be a super chronic, high yeilding, indoor/outdoor strain with beautiful light purple and lime green... hmmmmmm! getting a little ahead of myself there, lol. I'll Keep you guys updated every so often, or if something new happens or changes or whatever.

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1) Close in shot of the G13 Haze that gave itself 2 tops without being topped or damaged
2) Slightly different angle, better view of stalk below split.
3) Tripod Blackberry is second row up, 3rd plant from the left. Bi-topped G13 Haze is bottom row, 3rd from the left.

very nice dont rember ever coming across one with 3 shoots at a node site odd i want a clone of that lol it looks very helthy i wana know if it keeps doing it or if it comes out of it

THEGROWER42384 said:

very nice dont rember ever coming across one with 3 shoots at a node site odd i want a clone of that lol it looks very helthy i wana know if it keeps doing it or if it comes out of it

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- Oh yeah, believe me I am keeping close tabs on this one. I checked today and it turns out that there is only one node that DOESN'T have 3 branches. But even it has 3 spots where fresh growth is emerging, so It will still have 3 bud-bearing branches even on the node with just 2 fan leaves. I thought the first couple nodes were regular but when I checked again today they were also tri-nodes. Even the tinly little emerging nodes are coming in 3s. This plant is gnarly, Its not my tallest plant or my widest plant, but I'ts pretty big and it's the bushiest thing I've ever seen!

- I'm about to harden a few plants up so I can move them outside to veg for longer while I start flowering my other plants indoors in a week or two. I'm thinking of taking this one outside and not flowering it yet so that I can take a bunch of clones right as my indoor shit is finishing up and grow some high yeilding clones. The clones won't do me much good if it turns male, but IF that happens i can still pollinate lower branches of some of my better female specimines. Man I hope this trait can be passed down. If I can get even a few of the offspring to grow in this pattern, I can start an IBL targeting that specific growth pattern. In other words, If it's able to be passed down, I might be able to stabilize it. I', actually gonna take a few clones from about 5 or 6 plants this week so I will probably take some from this one since it's pretty big.

- This is my first indoor grow, Is about a foot tall a decent height for plants appx. 1 month and 1 week old? They have between 7-9 internodes with pretty close spacing. Some less than an inch, some are a little more than an inch.

- I'll post some new photos tomorrow if I can. All the plants are growing like crazy so even though its only been 2 or 3 days since the last pics, they've gotten even bigger. This is actually pretty exciting. This plant could basically be a commercial cropper's dream come true, huh?

New Photos! I went out and took a couple shots of the Tripod Blackberry today (6/09), and Thought I'd give an update. Good new growth on top as well as good inner growth. Tri-branched nodes are pretty much universal from the bottom to the top at this point. Even the one node that grew only 2 Fan leaves still has 3 branch sites and there is healthy new growth coming in at 3 places even there. I'm gonna harden this plant off (along with a couple others) over the course of a week or two and eventually move it outside so I can veg it longer. I plan on flowering in my garden in a couple weeks or so, but I want to get plenty of clones of this thing and a couple other plants so they're going outside in the near future. Blackberry is actually an outdoor variety bred in the same area I live in, so It should do great here during the summer. When my other plants are almost done flowering, I can start taking clones off the ones I've moved outdoors and get them ready. Then Once I harvest, Ill be able to start vegging clones from all my best plants, and get my second run just from the clones of like my 3 best females or something. Anyway, heres a couple new pics. Mostly just overall shots or shots showing interior growth pattern from a distance of a foot or so. I dont Think I took any new shots of the tri-nodes, I want a little more growth before I take more pics of it, it pretty much looks the same as before, just a little bigger.
1)Tripod, with one of my pipes, 'The Witch Doctor'! It has a fresh bowl of some fire but you cant see it
2)Tripod stone chillin' in the garden. You can see a little bit of leaf deformity. these plants have never been hot enough or close enough to a light to burn them (as seedlingd in the upper seventies, now usually upper sixties and seventy at the hottest), and I've only used nutes once at less than 1/4 strength and it was after it happened anyway. Anyone know what that was? It has pretty much stopped, but I'm curious.
3)Tripod side view
4)Tripod, almost underneath
5)Here's my set-up, I think the MH and the front floro are turned off for the pic, as are the fans, but just to take the picture. It's a 600w digital HPS or MH. Since it's digital it can use both, even without a conversion bulb.

- Let me know what you guys think of the Tripod and of my set up. Thanks to all who have posted so far, I will continue updating.

marijuanajoe1982 said:

New Photos! I went out and took a couple shots of the Tripod Blackberry today (6/09), and Thought I'd give an update. Good new growth on top as well as good inner growth. Tri-branched nodes are pretty much universal from the bottom to the top at this point. Even the one node that grew only 2 Fan leaves still has 3 branch sites and there is healthy new growth coming in at 3 places even there. I'm gonna harden this plant off (along with a couple others) over the course of a week or two and eventually move it outside so I can veg it longer. I plan on flowering in my garden in a couple weeks or so, but I want to get plenty of clones of this thing and a couple other plants so they're going outside in the near future. Blackberry is actually an outdoor variety bred in the same area I live in, so It should do great here during the summer. When my other plants are almost done flowering, I can start taking clones off the ones I've moved outdoors and get them ready. Then Once I harvest, Ill be able to start vegging clones from all my best plants, and get my second run just from the clones of like my 3 best females or something. Anyway, heres a couple new pics. Mostly just overall shots or shots showing interior growth pattern from a distance of a foot or so. I dont Think I took any new shots of the tri-nodes, I want a little more growth before I take more pics of it, it pretty much looks the same as before, just a little bigger.
1)Tripod, with one of my pipes, 'The Witch Doctor'! It has a fresh bowl of some fire but you cant see it
2)Tripod stone chillin' in the garden. You can see a little bit of leaf deformity. these plants have never been hot enough or close enough to a light to burn them (as seedlingd in the upper seventies, now usually upper sixties and seventy at the hottest), and I've only used nutes once at less than 1/4 strength and it was after it happened anyway. Anyone know what that was? It has pretty much stopped, but I'm curious.
3)Tripod side view
4)Tripod, almost underneath
5)Here's my set-up, I think the MH and the front floro are turned off for the pic, as are the fans, but just to take the picture. It's a 600w digital HPS or MH. Since it's digital it can use both, even without a conversion bulb.

- Let me know what you guys think of the Tripod and of my set up. Thanks to all who have posted so far, I will continue updating.

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Holy shit joe, tripod looks real good can't wait to see that thing flower if its female. you are so going to hook me up with seeds. Keep me updated and send pics on my email if you still have trouble posting. also try copy and paste, it worked for me posting my strains pic.

Talk to you soon.

CannaSeur said:

Holy shit joe, tripod looks real good can't wait to see that thing flower if its female. you are so going to hook me up with seeds. Keep me updated and send pics on my email if you still have trouble posting. also try copy and paste, it worked for me posting my strains pic.

Talk to you soon.

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Glad you finally got a look at it, buddy! I imagine you have some idea how much I am hoping it turns female. God I honestly would feel like I won the lotto for a million bucks. What are the odds of a mutation like this? And if it turns female... I might just keel over and die of happiness

I'll try and snap a couple more new photos and at least get them on this thread, even if I don't get them in my gallery. And don't worry dude, you will get seeds. I have a cousin who lives somewhere near you, although since I don't really even know which state you live in it could be a good distance away. Maybe not though, we will be in touch don't worry.

Heres new pictures of the tri-pod. Still 3 branches at every node. This plant is 9-10 inches tall with 10+ tri-branched nodes. I have been keeping track and nothing new except more tri-nodes! Go Tripod Go!

1) Starting to be pretty evident even from the top, 3 leaves growing out instead of 2!
2) New growth out the top, all Tri-pods! lol.
3) Another interior shot, right at the tip.

It's only getting bigger and bushier!

this right here is waaaaay cool ..........

I thought so too, Fdd. I'm really stoked on both of them, the Tripod Blackberry and the G13 Haze that topped itself. Those purple stripes, they are veins. Delivering nutrients, right? I'm not growing that many plants, I wonder why I have more than one of these seemingly desireable mutations? I will definitely be using these special plants for breeding, no matter which way they go. I have so many unique plants this time around, theres bound to be some good genetic mixing going on!

marijuanajoe1982 said:

I thought so too, Fdd. I'm really stoked on both of them, the Tripod Blackberry and the G13 Haze that topped itself. Those purple stripes, they are veins. Delivering nutrients, right? I'm not growing that many plants, I wonder why I have more than one of these seemingly desireable mutations? I will definitely be using these special plants for breeding, no matter which way they go. I have so many unique plants this time around, theres bound to be some good genetic mixing going on!

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the purple is normal.
the stalk is soooooo thick.

marijuanajoe1982 said:

Glad you finally got a look at it, buddy! I imagine you have some idea how much I am hoping it turns female. God I honestly would feel like I won the lotto for a million bucks. What are the odds of a mutation like this? And if it turns female... I might just keel over and die of happiness

I'll try and snap a couple more new photos and at least get them on this thread, even if I don't get them in my gallery. And don't worry dude, you will get seeds. I have a cousin who lives somewhere near you, although since I don't really even know which state you live in it could be a good distance away. Maybe not though, we will be in touch don't worry.

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Don't die of happiness! then I won't get any seeds! and the plant will die cuz no one is taking care of it. And if anyone you trust knows about this make sure you give it to me in your will so that person can send it out safely to me. Must be same day shipping!!! DON"T FUCKING DIE JOE! Don't you fucking dare!!!!

Have you talked to the seed company that you got the seeds from about this? When it does start to show sex and it is female, may I suggest you keep that plant as mother and just do experiments with the clones?

P.S. did you get my last email on the pollenating? And with all these wicked mutations, you living near a nuclear powerplant?LOL. just jokes. that stalk is killer thick, I loe the purple veins too. It looks like one of those old spooky looking forest trees you see in cartoons with these long scary faces.

yeh this is called whorled phyllotaxy. From what i have heard they usually end up male, has anyone seen a female with this characteristc?