An Important Harm Reduction Message

Discussion in 'Hallucinatory Substances' started by MrEDuck, Sep 23, 2012.

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    MrEDuck

    MrEDuck Well-Known Member

    There is currently a worldwide epidemic of PMMA (paramethoxymethamphetamine) and PMA (paramethoxyamphetamine) laced MDMA and pills. It's been showing up all over the world in large quantities. Whether this is caused by impure precursors or intentional adulteration by manufacturers is unknown, and ultimately unimportant. The fact is that it's out there and based on the amount of it and the wide distribution I am assuming this is not from a single source.
    PMMA and PMA are very potent neurotoxins that can be fatal from a single dose.
    These substances do not react with or alter the results of a common Marquis reagent test. You need a Mandelin reagent to test for PMA/PMMA. They will give a reddish brown result. MDxx will give a dark bluish black/purplish black result as with Marquis reagent.
    Please, please use test kits on any pills or molly. The cost of a test kit is insignificant compared to the value of your life. If you have a group you often roll with consider splitting the cost of the test kit to make it even cheaper. There is no reason anyone should die because they wanted to roll.
    TEST KITS SAVE LIVES!!!
     
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    Skuxx

    Skuxx Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the warning! Really, you should not take ANY X pills if you do not have one of these test kits. That goes for molly too... You don't know what's in it. I admit, I don't ever test my stuff, but I stick to molly (and very rarely), and I only do it after I hear word back from several other experienced people.

    I personally have only met one person that used test kits. And I've met tons of people.... so it's a rare thing do for much of this crap is floating around... it really should be more common practice.
     
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    MrEDuck

    MrEDuck Well-Known Member

    Yeah, test kits are vital with the quality of pills and the amount of RCs being sold as Molly. What's scary about this is that even a Marquis/Mecke/Simon triple test won't detect the pma/pmma. It takes so little to do a test and be really sure about what you're dosing.
    I've been pretty good about testing unknown products. One I'm very vocal about harm reduction and I never want to be seen as a hypocrit. And because I have a high tolerance for MDMA and am pretty sensitive to common adulterants so testing prevents a lot of bad experiences.
    Pills especially have gone to shit more than I could have ever imagined. I remember over a decade ago talking with someone about how pills had gotten so bad people didn't even recognize good pills anymore. And those were good next to some of the shit floating around now.
     
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    SmokingTree

    SmokingTree New Member

    Some bitch in my town was selling "Molly" until one of my good friends tested it and it showed up as bath salts otherwise known as MPVD or something like that.
     
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    VLRD.Kush

    VLRD.Kush Well-Known Member

    same in my town. I have a lot of friends going to a music festival in GA this weekend, I definitley need to pass the word along. This is terrible, world wide?! So PMA is a bi-product of making MDMA? And it needs to be washed out?
     
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    MrEDuck

    MrEDuck Well-Known Member

    It's not a byproduct of making mdma unless the safrole is diluted with something containing paramethoxyallylbenzene, which several other oils have. I can't wrap my head around the idea of literally making a poison that you know people will ingest. But because it's cheaper to make it ends up being used in making pills or cutting powders. One of the problems is you can't just wash it out. to effectively separate the two you'd need to do some chromatography. I simply can not understand the mindset of someone who values money more than the lives of others.
    What makes PMA/PMMA so nasty is that the standard tests don't indicate it.
     
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    VLRD.Kush

    VLRD.Kush Well-Known Member

    This is crazy... So these Mandalin kits, do you know of a site? I've only found them at EZTest and it seems you only get two uses per *unit. If i got one I'd want more uses

    *nvm, bunkPolice have it on there site, 50+ uses for 20$
    http://www.bunkpolice.org/mandelin-test-kit/
     
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    MrEDuck

    MrEDuck Well-Known Member

    Thanks for putting the link up. That and a $50 dance safe triple test give you the ability to test a lot of samples for a reasonable price.
     
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    Trippy Mayne

    Trippy Mayne New Member

    On some real shit I might know who your talking about. I live in the NOVA area too isn't that ironic. And if you are indeed apart of NOVA I do know the girl who you are talking about.
    Skinny white girl, named Angella about 28 sells Fake-Molly and KB. Her bud is also a rip off, bitch sold me a 8th of KB for $45 telling me it was Chron when I get Medicinal shit, like what the fuck really bitch
     
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    SmokingTree

    SmokingTree New Member

    Holy shit yeah thats the one. yeah she got robbed tho just the other day outside of CVS in sterling park. Two goons got in the car and took a zip of her KB and hauled ass out of the car. Lol and the only reason they did that was because she sold one of them a gram of "Molly" for $85 and turned out to be her bathsalt shit. My dude looks at it and goes "Yeah this deff isn't molly" the two black kids go "Nah man we just got this from Angella we know its straight". My buddy puts it on the test and it showed up as bathsalts.
     
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    Trippy Mayne

    Trippy Mayne New Member

    This doesn't surprise me at all :/ I remember during the summer time when D Shock robbed her of a QP. A daily customer for months, just one day out of the blue robbed her of a QP. That was the week were she had that nasty black eye for a good two weeks or so, and then it was bloodshot red for another month or so... :) I think she might be done selling now after this now.
     
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    SmokingTree

    SmokingTree New Member

    ROFL! I remember when she had that shiner yo! I heard that someone robbed someone of a QP but I didn't know that was Angella! That explains her eye and how all of the sudden all of Sugarland was good for like 2 months straight lol.
     
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    SmokingTree

    SmokingTree New Member

    Omg I cant stop laughing. I remember hearing stories that some dude stole the shit out of a drug dealer right in front of the Sugarland Complex's. They said that she dropped as soon as he hit her, lmao!
     
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    VLRD.Kush

    VLRD.Kush Well-Known Member

    I just sent this thread link to the guys who run Bunk Police. Hopefully they can help spread the word.
     
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    SmokingTree

    SmokingTree New Member

    What is bunk police?
     
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    VLRD.Kush

    VLRD.Kush Well-Known Member

    It's a couple of guys who dubbed themselves the "bunk police". They go to some of the larger music fest and venues, set up their tent on shakedown street and people can come and have their drugs (mainly MDMA) tested to see if it's an RC or not. They've reported something like," 80% of the "MDMA" at festivals this summer has really been bath salts." Super good cause, I try to be their rep in my town... Unofficially of course.
     
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    SmokingTree

    SmokingTree New Member

    Yeah I don't know what is up with all these bathsalts being sold as "Molly".
     
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    VLRD.Kush

    VLRD.Kush Well-Known Member

    they were telling my friend at Electric forest that apparently people enjoy it. like they'd rather have that than molly!?:confused:
     
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    racerboy71

    racerboy71 bud bootlegger

    thanks for the link vlrd.. just ordered a test kit and 3 extra tubes.. comes to like $30 after ground shipping.. not too bad imho...

    and thanks for the caution mreduck...
     
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    MrEDuck

    MrEDuck Well-Known Member

    It's pretty simple, bath salts are cheaper to buy than MDMA. They have similarly shaped crystals, taste bitter as hell, and other physical similarities.

    Racer I'd reccomend at least one more test, either Mecke or Marquis (ideally a triple test set of Marquis, Mecke, and Simon) to be truly able to determine the composition of a sample.
     
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